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water condition, apparently. An outfit from about an hour down the highway distributed complimentary testing kits through the neighborhood a couple weeks ago. I obliged with a sample. Fellow called this evening. I passed on all points except hardness. 11 grains. Which I suspected. But I'm wondering if they're inflating the figure in an effort to make a softener sale. I've not had any specific performance trouble with my DishDrawer, and I can get an impressive OVERsudsing condition with ~3 oz. of Ariel OxyAzul on a small/light load during the EcoActive spray phase .. although that is with just a couple gallons of water at most and a stronger dose is needed for the deep wash.

Is 11 grains high enough to justify treatment?
 
Hi Greg,
I would not trust the accuracy of those test kits, I recommend you buy an Aquarium water hardness test kit for fresh water and you will get a truly accurate reading from that.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Re: Water Test Kits:

Did you happen to know that Sears has free Water Test Kits, I was in one of our Sears Stores not long ago and a Customer asked about the Test Kits and I overheard the Salesman telling them about it.

It looked like a real simple thing to check your Water Hardness with. Good Luck with checking the Water Hardness, but certainly wait until you get at least another opinion, before doing anything else, like Signing up for a Water Softener Unit. I do tend to believe that the Company was just trying to do the too you anyway.

Peace and Happy Hard Water Checking, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
 
Apology to Glenn

Hi Glenn,
I am very sorry I called you Greg, the old memory lets me down sometimes and my pain meds don't help either.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Glenn, Get a Softner

From Home Depot or Lowes. Sears also has them. You are looking at a total price of about 500.00. DO NOT GO WITH that company, it is about a three thousand dollar waist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I reccomend a water softer at any home. It saves big time on your skin and appliances. Here in Pensacola Florida, the water is not real hard to begin with, but we put one in anyway. You control the hardness level. Not the machine!

Steve
 
Hardness of Water

Hardness of Water
Hardness in water is usually observed by its ability to form scale and make suds with soaps and detergents. If your water leaves deposits in sinks and tubs, then it is moderately hard to hard. If you get lots of suds with soap, then the water is soft. Water hardness varies across the country and around the world.

Characteristics- Hardness in water is defined as the sum of the calcium and magnesium concentrations, expressed as calcium carbonate. The hardness of the water varies with the amounts of these salts. It is no longer an issue with laundry since most modern detergents contain water softeners.

Origin- The earth's terrain is rich in mineral content. Subterranean and surface waters absorb some of these minerals. Absorbed minerals include compounds of calcium and magnesium carbonates, bicarbonates, sulfates and chlorides. These naturally occurring minerals give water its hardness.

Measurement- Hardness in water is expressed in grains per gallon (g/g) or milligrams per liter (mg/L). To convert mg/L to g/g, divide mg/L by 17.1.

Water Hardness Ranges
Up to 5 g/g soft water
6 to 12 g/g moderately hard water
Over 12 g/g hard water
 
Our water is 12-17 grains here, it depends on the time of year, source of water (surface or ground/well). My parents, 20 miles south of me, tested at 14. I have a Culligan system on a rental/lease plan and would never go back to non-softened water again! I went with the rental plan because I've heard of people buying them for $1500 to $3000 and then having problems that cost a fortune to repair. Lots of options but the money is worth it! My outside faucets and sprinkler system is separate from the softened house water - no need to waste the "good" water...
 
The 'testing kit' consisted of a small bottle and questionaire. Per the instructions, run the cold water at your faucet for at least one minute, rinse the bottle, then fill it and leave it on your door for pick-up. They also tested dissolved solids, organic particulates, etc.

The company is an independent, not Culligan or other national name. I don't distrust their results, but one should always be a bit leery. I *know* the water is hard, there's build-up on the shower doors, tub surrounds, toilet bowls, etc. The previous owners, although they lived in the house for less than a year, didn't make that much effort to deal with the residue. But is the condition enough to justify a softener? Lots of calcium with a touch of iron and magnesium are the culprits.

I have an appt with the tester-'sales' rep tomorrow morn. What I'm afraid of is that he'll say I need some humongous capacity softener system due to the size of the house -- two full baths both with whirlpool tubs and separate shower in the master, and two half baths. A sprinkler system is already in place, and I imagine there'd be extra expense involved to plumb a softener around it, but I surely don't want to waste softened water on the yard. There also the issue of what to do with the regeneration discharge -- it can't go into the septic system.

I'm not opposed to a softener. I don't much care for VERY soft water (the Hampton Inn in Omaha felt postively SLIMEY!), but getting it down to ~4 grains would certainly be beneficial. I don't mind a reasonable initial cost, but I don't want to get into a high maintenance / constant repairs situation.
 
The problem softened water is....

just as you said Glenn. My aunt in Houston has a water soften, and you CAN'T RINSE OFF in the shower. You feel slimy and gross. It's like you have to SCRAPE the soap off of your body with a towel!

Maybe that's not how it is with all water softeners, but I'd much rather have slightly hard water than to have to deal with all of that!

Tex
 
The water here in Kent is on the

edge of hard, but I'd probably put in a water softener, if I owned, instead of rented.

The way I like it best is when it is connected only to the HOT water, and by slowly changing the water temperature in the shower, you can rinse more easily.

Also, if a person is sensitive to added sodium, the cold water in at least the kitchen should not be softened.

I forget the name, but I think several companies now offer potassium pellets for water softeners, instead of salt ones.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Sodium is not a specific issue, not yet. I have marginally-high blood pressure, but dropping some flab would go far in addressing that . . I just can't seem to get it happening. I'm somewhat susceptible to kidney stones, have had three in the past 23 years, one doosey and two teasers. So calcium-infested water is not a good thing . . but I rarely use tap water and the GE SxS now has a filter cartridge for the ice/water.

Depends on what the sales-dude has to offer . . .
 
Glenn, I assume your plumbing is throughout the attic and walls (like my houses in Houston)--my house here, all piping is in the foundation.

If you can tap in somewhere soon after the water enters the house and before it splits in to hot & cold pipes, you'll be able to put a softener there. It's what I did when I built my dream house in hhouston. I was outside, concealed in a fence on the side of the house. Thus, no outside water was "softened". It was nice to have softened water, I was able to regulate the degree, and my whirlpool tub. The regeneration cycle water drained into the ground, the lawn was fine. Wish I could have a softener here, but again, water enters the house in front, not a cool place for a softener.
 
High BP

softners that use sodium Ions to "soften" the water are a bad thing for folks on High BP medication-I lived in a home that had one and disconnected it because I use BP medicine.The softner's sodium ions can conteract the BP medications!!Check with your doctor on this if you have the BP problem.
 
Westtexman, that slippery feeling you feel rinsing in the shower is not the soap. Soft water has very little surface tension and when you soap up in the shower and rinse off, the surface tension of the water remains broken. Actually, that slippery feeling is better for your skin and much less drying than the so called squeaky clean sensation hard water leaves. Our water here in Idaho is so hard, that when you shower in it and dry off, curds of lime and calcium deposits combined with soap residue ball up. You can just imagine what that does to home laundry and dishwashing equipment over time.
 
I am on a very mild dose of BP medication. Same doctor that the grandmother sees, and so happens I'll be taking her for an appt next Monday, so will have opportunity to ask about it.

Bob, my water well is way over in front of the house by the road, but the tank is in the garage, and it appears to split from there to the sprinkler system and house-proper. Where exactly it enters the house, I don't know. It's kinda odd, 'cause it goes from the garage to the house, then back to the garage for the half-bath there. May not be much difficulty to put a softener into the mix, but what do I know about plumbing . . .
 
The slimy feeling is the natural moisture in your skin - it's not being stripped away by the hard water. There are certainly different preferences all across the scale, but my soft water tests about 1 grain and I love it! I have noticed a huge difference in my skin - not dry and ashey as before and the cleaning chores in showers and around fixtures, etc. is just amazing - almost never have to scrub any residue. It's great for the vintage washers, you can use real soap without worry of curds floating in the rinse water!

Good luck Glenn -
greg
 

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