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[maytaga806]

Why are people so utterly clueless. This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen before on here. The photo speaks for itself. Can’t imagine how long it was used like this and it’s probably why they are selling it cause nothing on the top rack is getting washed and they wanna get it sold for that cold hard cash so they don’t mention that part.

 

[repairguy]

Ha! I look at marketplace regularly for some entertainment. It never disappoints.

 

[maytaga806]

Right! Lol. I messaged him and he claims he “accidentally put it in backwards and we rarely use it”.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

stupid

These people are stupid to be using a dishwasher. Did they check the arms? What about the filter and pump? What make is this dishwasher?

 

[user 12105]

Whirlpool Jerome

 

[Marky_Mark]

Ha yep.  I remember opening the dishwasher at a friend's house in England in the 90s and the upper rack spray arm had been installed upside down (holes pointing down!).  I think the water was just pouring out of the feed tube and nothing was going through the spray arm.  So I corrected that in about 2 minutes!  The upper rack was fairly full of dirty dishes at the time, so they must have still been getting washed to some extent considering they had been using it like that.  But I wonder how well that Point Voyager would wash the upper rack with no feed to the upper arm.

 

[qsd-dan]

The classic ones I find are metal latches drilled and screwed into the dryer door/cabinet instead of buying a $5 strike that takes seconds to replace.

 

[maytaga806]

Jerome you should be able to tell by looking at the photo what type of machine it is with how much time you spend on here by now

 

[appnut]

Jerome, where is your expert common senswe. Who else had a door mounted flatware basket?

 

[foraloysius]

Typical troll behaviour. Asking questions while the answer is clear.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

dishwasher

Is this a Whirlpool? I could've sworn this was very common with Whirlpool point voyager dishwashers where glasses don't get cleaned. Edit: I could've sworn it was a Whirlpool.

 

[appnut]

This is a WP PowerClean dishwasher. Maybe in my part of the country, but just about everyone I know who had one of these, the water valve eventually got restricted to debris or calcium buildup wich yielded very insufficient water fills and horrible cleaning results. These dishwashers were extremely sensitive if they didn't receive the full fill as they weerre designed to.

 

[user 12105]

I can tell you that from experience with 30 years with my portable Whirlpool quiet Wash DP8700XT.

I don't know what it was with the low energy wash, but it would not sufficiently fill when set to that cycle.

I often had to go around with the dial again.... Real weird.

Other than that I never had a dishwasher prior to that power clean and the two I've had since really aren't in the same League.

The GE portable I have now is quite good at cleaning but drying sucks.

 

[Chetlaham]

@appnut: This looks like a Point Voyager. You can tell be the smaller detergent cup size, fully rounded heating element, and shallow float.

 

 

@agiflow: Were you advancing the timer manually to "off" as to avoid the heated dry cycle? Whirlpool dishwashers use an incremental based timer. Meaning if the timer is manually advanced without finishing an increment, it will continue advancing from where it was left off (time wise) even if the timer is manually moved to a new position. In other words if a 2 minutes per increment timer is manually rotated after 1 minute 45 seconds while sitting in an preexisting position, the timer will only hold the new position it was manually advanced into for 15 seconds.

 

It is for this reason I have always believed that Whirlpool should have used a "lead in increment" on their timers to off-set people manually advancing the timer forward at the end of the cycle. The only down side is you'd then have customers complaining that their dishwasher isn't doing anything for upwards of 2 minutes. 

 

A down side to moving the timer dial around is that it opens the detergent cup and releases the rinse aid prematurely. Both creating several problems on their own. I prefer machines where the detergent cup and rinse aid are triggered electrical either via a solenoid, bimetal or wax motor. Manual cam triggers don't let the consumer make an honest mistake.

 

 

@[COLOR=#000000; font: 12pt arial bold, sans-serif]Foraloysius: [/COLOR]I shouldn't have to mention this (again) however God/Nature makes everyone different. Jerome is visually impaired. He genuinely can not make out the interior design of this dishwasher. And considering that a visually accustomed member mistakened a Point Voyager for a Power Clean I certainly don't expect Jerome to get it right on the first try. There is also the fact I can not mentally process half the world I perceive, so I guess the adage "nobody is perfect"  holds true.    

 

[foraloysius]

Well Chat, the point is that if someone mistakes a Point Voyager for a Power Clean but doesn’t know it’s a Whirlpool they must have learned little in all those hours they are spending on this site. Probably more interested in ranting than learning something. That has nothing to do with being visually impaired.

 

[Chetlaham]

Difference being Bob can see the inside of the machine in detail, Jerome sees varying shades of gray scale. Thus Jerome can not apply what he has learned via direct observation. Those shades of gray will all look the same be it a GE, Whirlpool, Maytag Jet Clean or Hobart Kitchen-Aid.

 

[combo52]

US built dishwashers that underfill

Pretty much all dishwashers had problems with underfilling as they age the valve diaphragm wears out in the valve, all American dishwashers use the same valves so it was no more common on GE than whirlpool and Maytag, etc..

This problem is never caused by mineral buildup, it’s caused by the rubber diaphragm wearing out taking the valve apart and cleaning it will not solve the problem permanently sometimes they’ll work a little better if you take the valve apart and play with it the only real cure to replace it with a new valve or a known good valve.

The good news is this problem has largely been solved, new whirlpool dishwashers now since the water load on the motor and can add more water as needed, so we’re not seeing nearly as much of this problem as we used to, just one more way that modern dishwashers with computers are actually far better than ones with the old mechanical timers.

John L

 

[foraloysius]

Missing my point Chet.

 

[johnb300m]

Water fill valves

Regarding water fill valves there are no diaphragms in the RobertShaw/Invensys appliance valves.
They use a rigid plunger that can be clogged with mineral buildup. Same for their inlet screens.
Irrigation valves like I have in my yard, use pilot channel diaphragm valves. Those are too big to fit into appliances.
First pic is an appliance valve.
Second is an irrigation style pilot valve.

 

[combo52]

Domestic dishwasher and washing machine inlet valves

Hi John, I don’t know where you got that picture number one I have never seen an inlet valve that looks anything like that on any domestic washer or dishwasher valve in the past 50 years.

Here is a picture of a three year-old KitchenAid dishwasher inlet valve, which is typical And is virtually identical to every other major brand, this valve is broken open because it froze this winter during a cold snap so you can see the diaphragm inside, you can also see the Robert Shaw name on the valve.

This valve came from one of our customers and we are in a hard water area. Typically, we see nothing in the screens , screens will not filter out minerals. Otherwise you could’ve just have a filter to filter out hard water. It just doesn’t work that way that’s why you use chemical water softeners to remove minerals.

 

[johnb300m]

Hmmm.
I’m going to do something John, that certain people here don’t do.
“I stand corrected!”

Very interesting to find that these appliance valves are indeed mini versions of pilot valves.
Right from the RobertShaw catalog.

 

[combo52]

Reply number 20, John I appreciate your integrity as people who know me on this site. They know I’m also quick to admit when I make a mistake it has happened to be sure.

I also learn things on this site nearly every day, even though I’ve been repairing appliances for over 50 years I don’t know at all by any means and I find out clever things and new solutions to problems on this site.

I just wish more of the repair people And serious collectors and people who are seriously interested in appliances would come back on the site, but they’ve been driven off by the children here, there’s been discussions about how to moderate this site. It’s going to happen.

John L

 

[qsd-dan]

"This problem is never caused by mineral buildup"

I replaced valves on washers and dishwashers where the screens were plugged up badly. The Maytag 906 washer I scored for free couldn't pass one drop of water through either valve as both screens were plugged solid. I ripped the screens out with pliers, hooked the lines back up, and both valves worked normally. Of course, I replaced the water valve with a genuine Maytag unit during the restoration process.

 

[user 12105]

John when is the next time you will do a Whirlpool/Kenmore teardown ? Would like to come and see that. I want to be able to keep my 74 KMR 70 series going for a long time

 

[maytaga806]

I would have thought with how much time Jerome spends here that he would know this by now. Exactly Bob, what other brand has a white plastic tub with a silverware basket on the door? This is an early 2000s point voyager. Notice how it’s a tall tub. Powercleans were not tall tubs. You can always tell by how the detergent dispensers are on the very side of the door stacked one above the other unless it’s a Kenmore elite or KA with a stainless interior which are very rare now.

We did have a point voyager with a restricted inlet valve had to replace it, and when we got it used the pump was totally plugged. It had a ziploc bag stuck in the feed tube. How on earth someone let a bag get in the dishwasher is beyond me. The entire stainless interior was coated in a white cloudy film from their terrible hard water. Those food chopper assemblies are a pain in the rear to reassemble. Indeed very sensitive to clogging. I don’t think I’d ever want to own one again because of that and also the immense control board failures all of those voyagers had even though I really loved the machine and it was comparable in some respects to the Powerclean and always reminded me of being the tall tub version of one minus the capability of being able to chop and fully dispose of food bits.

 

[Marky_Mark]

Although Point Voyager dishwashers were introduced around 2001, the sump inlet cover/screen in the photo above would suggest that this is one of the last versions of the Point Voyager (Tahoe).  I imagine it might be around 10 years old.

 

[maytaga806]

Oh yes that’s a way to tell the age of one other than the control panel. That sump/drain cover was updated as this one has in this photo. So yeah probably a 2012-2014.

Here’s the second pic of it. Like brand new still.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

whirlpool

I had a point voyager that would bake crud in the glasses. My mom hated it and wished it broke down.

 

[johnb300m]

There was a brief moment of time where cleaning in the upper rack of Point Voyagers was weak.
This seemed to correlate with the time when detergent manufacturers were eliminating phosphates as reformulating their detergents.
I think PV dishwashers might’ve been harder hit in this time frame.
Once the detergents were ironed out the PV dishwashers seemed to wash fine again.
Maybe there was also a software change at the time? Who knows.
The several PV machines I’ve encountered, worked perfectly fine.

 

[Chetlaham]

@maytaga806: Thanks for the pics. Did you get my email that I sent you yesterday in regards to the Point Voyager?