KA-WP appliance merger in the '80s

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Saw the link (para. 3 below) in an old www.retrorenovation.com post (RIP!)

It seems there was major litigation by WCI and others around 1985 to prevent this from happening. At the conclusion of the case a temporary injunction was issued. Some very interesting facts here, as well as history that I was not aware of. For example I hadn't known that KA was in a significant decline by the mid '80s and that D&K, the new-ish owners of Hobart, wanted it sold. Also that D&M was also in a steep sales dive, becoming a less viable potential competitor.

Obviously the merger happened, but as stated did Emerson indeed manufacture KA-21 Series and some later KAs (through 23?) before WP exercised their option to fully acquire Emerson per the terms? They were also required to allow Emerson to make "model 21" and sell ISE machines under that name, but did they actually make KAs also? Another real info gem was the court's prediction that any foreign makers (mainly Sanyo and Panasonic who made smalls at the time), would be unlikely to begin US manufacturing of large appliances due to steep start-up costs.. D'oh! well they sure got that one wrong!

From the original RR article in "Comments", courtesy of "la573" (someone here?)


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"Never was a dishwasher more the subject of legal wrangling than the KitchenAid KDS-21 (details here: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/612/1009/1576161/ ). Hobart wanted to exit the residential appliance market in 1984 by selling the KitchenAid division to Whirlpool, but several other companies sued to try to block the buyout on antitrust grounds – the combined WP/KA would dominate the dishwasher market. So a an 8-year sweetheart deal was arranged where a third company, Emerson (maker of the popular InSinkErator disposers) would take over building Hobart’s home products, including building the KDS-21 exclusively for Whirlpool using Kitchenaid branding, whilst Emerson could also sell earlier or different Hobart designs under their own Emerson name, or for other companies. They did sell some ISE dishwashers during that time, but they never bothered making any for third-party companies. After the 8 years lapsed, Whirlpool acquired the whole works from Emerson, and soon thereafter replaced the distinctive Hobart design with cheaper Whirlpool-derived dishwashers that lacked most of the features that made Hobart Kitchenaids special. Consumers quickly caught on, and started buying Bosch and other new high-end brands instead. Eventually Whirlpool realized they needed to make their Kitchenaid dishwashers more distinct from the cheaper Whirlpool models, and the current Kitchenaid models are again competitive, better in some ways than the old Hobart units and worse in others, but clearly something worth more than a basic Whirlpool dishwasher."

Very interesting indeed.
Any response from our highly knowledgeable AW.o commentariat?
 
About this time Panasonic sniffed around entering the US major appliance market in a bigger way--they cobbled together a lineup of (primarily Canadian made, it seemed) appliances in the early 1990s to do a bit of a market test. Seemingly it was available at dealers that sold Panasonic/Matsushita electronics (kind of similar to the way GE introduced a RCA line of appliances at about the same time).

I would imagine that there was thought during this period that if Panasonic decided to "go bigger" that they would need to do their own manufacturing.
 
Hobart went through some tough times in 1980's

First their was a hostile takeover bid by Canadian Pacific (yes, that CP).

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...-takeover-of-Hobart-Corp-by-CP/4110350888400/

To avoid that takeover Hobart moved house and merged with Dart & Kraft of Glenview, Ill.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...o-avoid-a-takeover-by-Canadian/7654351234000/

In 1985 WP went after Hobart which Dart and Kraft weren't actively selling, in fact the division accounted for 22% of Hobart's sales. However "no" was not a word WP wanted to hear and was offering big money.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1985/01/12/whirlpool-buying-kitchenaid-from-dart-unit/

WP was on a roll in 1980's. After getting KitchenAid they also took majority stake in Inglis, Canada and Philips N.V. By end of decade WP also nabbed Roper brand and Bauknecht of Germany.

My guess is WP wanted KA for its upmarket associations.

Hobart KA dishwashers like their domestic mixers were known for high quality and something of a status symbol.





You have to give it to WP however in that they expanded KA range far greater than Hobart ever bothered. Maybe not everything was a success, but KitchenAid does often seem more upscale than WP.





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I'm surprised Whirlpool didn't just buy all of Hobar

They never really had a commercial presence, and with a Hobart acquisition, they would have.
 
Whirlpool wouldn't have known what to do with Hobart, so it's just as well they only got their mitts on KA.

Even with KitchenAid WP took some time sorting out how to position brand. In end once WP gobbled up Maytag KA laundry appliances weren't long for this world.

Agree with previous poster; WP would have dragged down and killed Hobart; commercial food service equipment just isn't their game.

 
Hobart, Vulcan-Hart and ITW...

Now under ITW, Vulcan one of the leading commercial range makers, began in 1949 when Vulcan and Hart merged and their headquarters, offices, and many of their ranges were, and still are, made at their largest facility on North Point Rd in Dundalk MD (Baltimore), near our former swimming pool in Sparrows Point, back in the '60s we drove by it often. Nice to know they are still going strong.

Hobart, Vulcan, Traulsen and other top commercial cooking mfrs are all now owned by Illinois Tool Works, ITW, who have gathered many of the best commercial brands in the world under one umbrella. The new Centerline by Hobart in the kitchen I work in is a stellar machine, maybe because, as mentioned, when WP took over KA they didn't get their hands on Hobart Commercial. While excellent, I'd never take a new KA over our vintage Hobart KA (sadly in the shed right now awaiting service)! I wish we had an appropriate place for a Vulcan range too!

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Hobart has a manufacturing facility in Hillsboro, OH, about 25 miles southeast of here. I don't know what is made there.

The church I belong to used to have a Vulcan electric range. It was installed when the kitchen was built in 1959, and used until about 8 years ago. Instead of having it totally refurbished at a cost of several thousand dollars, they replaced it with two GE residential ranges, which cost substantially less.
 
As I remember it the KitchenAid front loaders did not offer a model with an onboard heater like we had on the whirlpool versions and that was totally unacceptable for me to even consider
 
As I remember it the KitchenAid front loaders did not offer a model with an onboard heater like we had on the whirlpool versions and that was totally unacceptable for me to even consider
Bob, the KA Ensemble has water heating. Captures from the service manual. I don't recall if there was only one model offered?
 

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Also the Pro Line model. The service manual and user guide don't have a temperature reference. Max temperature on the Pro Line selection buttons is labeled "Extra Hot" vs. the Ensemble labeled "Super Hot."
 

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Hi Ken, Glenn already answered most of the question, but KitchenAid was always whirlpools top of the line front load washer. They all had a heater, they were all German built.

They were discontinued when whirlpool bought Maytag. KitchenAid front load washers were never made in the cheaper models like the whirlpool sport models that were made in Mexico originally etc..

From the evidence we have now that these machines are 20 years old the KitchenAid and whirlpool duets were easily the most reliable best built of the readily available. Front load full-size washers sold in the United States, even the full-size Meile that were sold for a while were inferior to the whirlpool duets in terms of durability. The only other full-size front loader that came close or exceeded these whirlpools were the Speed Queen’s of course.

John L
 
Sometimes on Facebook I see an ad for a Hobart undercounter dishwasher that has what appears to be 2 racks that look like a residential dishwasher. The background of the photograph is maybe a nursing or personal care home. Could it be that Hobart is "feeling out" if there is a market for a residential Hobart dishwasher that could be in "pro style" kitchens along with brands like Viking?
 
Sometimes on Facebook I see an ad for a Hobart undercounter dishwasher that has what appears to be 2 racks that look like a residential dishwasher. The background of the photograph is maybe a nursing or personal care home. Could it be that Hobart is "feeling out" if there is a market for a residential Hobart dishwasher that could be in "pro style" kitchens along with brands like Viking?
there is a need for small commercial undercounter dishwashers with fast cycle times. There is research, though, that if fast cycle times aren't crucial, domestic dishwashers (with thermal hold for sani-cycles) are perfectly fine and NSF certified for small commercial installations (say, a B&B where they are having a single seating and doing cleanup all at once). The research was done up at UWO, I think.
 
We had a Champion 24" undercounter-sized model at the Hotel, it had maybe a 1 minute cycle time and did a decent job. It didn't have the heater option because it would have sucked up too much of our huge 60 amp service... it used a sanitizer liquid it pumped in. At the time, the $2000 price tag was out of reach for a residential setting, but probably closer to reality these days. I don't think it would perform well compared to modern residential machines, and it was never intended for cookware or dried-on crud.
 
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