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Ben you are correct, I left out a 1, the correct # sure is 41710000.
Ben you are correct, I left out a 1, the correct # sure is 41710000.
The right timer part
I looked on the web and found timers on eBay but didn't see that guy's site. I ordered timer part #4162940 as it looked very much like the one in the exploded diagram. I'm hoping that the wiring is the same. The seller emailed me that it would work. Fingers crossed. Does anyone think differently?
I looked on the web and found timers on eBay but didn't see that guy's site. I ordered timer part #4162940 as it looked very much like the one in the exploded diagram. I'm hoping that the wiring is the same. The seller emailed me that it would work. Fingers crossed. Does anyone think differently?
stevet
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Ralph's link works for me!
I just clicked on the link above and it took me rignt to the site. Unless someone on here has access to whirlpool part numbers to see if the number I gave you has changed to the one you mentioned, I would not take a chance with a different timer. There can be subtle differences between timers if one is for the KDI-17 and the KDI-17A.
SO, make sure of what you are getting or you may get stuck with something you cannot use or modify. Restoration and repair does not mean modification and settling for non-factory performance. Surely you want the machine to work as it was designed.
I just clicked on the link above and it took me rignt to the site. Unless someone on here has access to whirlpool part numbers to see if the number I gave you has changed to the one you mentioned, I would not take a chance with a different timer. There can be subtle differences between timers if one is for the KDI-17 and the KDI-17A.
SO, make sure of what you are getting or you may get stuck with something you cannot use or modify. Restoration and repair does not mean modification and settling for non-factory performance. Surely you want the machine to work as it was designed.
The timer I originally ordered
This is the timer that's pictured on the Repair Clinic site. It looked a lot like the one in the manual's exploded diagram. I found one on eBay that matched this part number. Since then, I've bought the part number that you suggested.
This is the link to what Repair Clinic has listed as a timer for a KDI-17a.
This is the timer that's pictured on the Repair Clinic site. It looked a lot like the one in the manual's exploded diagram. I found one on eBay that matched this part number. Since then, I've bought the part number that you suggested.
This is the link to what Repair Clinic has listed as a timer for a KDI-17a.
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mom11
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Snooping on fellow KDSer
O.K. So i've been following this thread carefully because I just got a KDS 16 and it's up and running right now. But I want to keep it running so I am wondering if I should preemptively order a timer for my model. Does a failed timer happen very often? Mine is from 1971. And then, if I do need one, can I just give them my machine model number or do I need to know the timer part number. Would it be the same as the one for the KDS 17? Thanks so much, I've been learning so much from reading these boards.
Oh,could we see a picture of the 17?
O.K. So i've been following this thread carefully because I just got a KDS 16 and it's up and running right now. But I want to keep it running so I am wondering if I should preemptively order a timer for my model. Does a failed timer happen very often? Mine is from 1971. And then, if I do need one, can I just give them my machine model number or do I need to know the timer part number. Would it be the same as the one for the KDS 17? Thanks so much, I've been learning so much from reading these boards.
Oh,could we see a picture of the 17?
stevet
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Don't play that game, Mom!
Lisa,
Talking about the Superba timers here,the timers on the 16 and 17 dishwashers are as different as night and day!
And to make matters worse,IIRC,there were 2 different timers for the 16's as well. The 16's had a timer very similar to the 15 series in design (and not interchangeable either) and was mounted behind the front cross member in the right corner. The 17 series was the first to use the mono-block timers and it was mounted dead center below the tank on the Superba's. Probably the worst possible place to locate it if the motor should leak. And... the 17 and 17A's used 2 different timers as well!
If you have the ML-number from the data plate on your 16, I think I can get you both numbers and you can search for a spare timer. Just post it here.
The Custom and Imperial models all had their timers in the doors on both the 16 and 17's.Once we get to the 18 and up series, all the timers were in the door regardless of the model.
It will be a challenge to find a whole lot of spare parts for your machine but they are out there. Many people have found a donor machine from which to get parts so be on the lookout for one like yours as well.
Lisa,
Talking about the Superba timers here,the timers on the 16 and 17 dishwashers are as different as night and day!
And to make matters worse,IIRC,there were 2 different timers for the 16's as well. The 16's had a timer very similar to the 15 series in design (and not interchangeable either) and was mounted behind the front cross member in the right corner. The 17 series was the first to use the mono-block timers and it was mounted dead center below the tank on the Superba's. Probably the worst possible place to locate it if the motor should leak. And... the 17 and 17A's used 2 different timers as well!
If you have the ML-number from the data plate on your 16, I think I can get you both numbers and you can search for a spare timer. Just post it here.
The Custom and Imperial models all had their timers in the doors on both the 16 and 17's.Once we get to the 18 and up series, all the timers were in the door regardless of the model.
It will be a challenge to find a whole lot of spare parts for your machine but they are out there. Many people have found a donor machine from which to get parts so be on the lookout for one like yours as well.
firedome
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and that is exactly the reason
beyond the general overall engineering simplicity, that I prefer KDC-17 and KDI-17 to a KDS in the KA 17 series of machine... have looked at so many KDS-17s with minor or major leaks and/or corrosion on or around that silly timer right under the motor... what were they thinking? The 18 series machines that we have all have in-door timers... much smarter. Seems like an odd mistake for Hobart to make.
beyond the general overall engineering simplicity, that I prefer KDC-17 and KDI-17 to a KDS in the KA 17 series of machine... have looked at so many KDS-17s with minor or major leaks and/or corrosion on or around that silly timer right under the motor... what were they thinking? The 18 series machines that we have all have in-door timers... much smarter. Seems like an odd mistake for Hobart to make.
KD DW TIMER ISSUES
All KD-10 through KD-15 DWs had the timers under the tank and the KDS-16 and KDS-17s also had their timers there and yes some were ruined by main shaft seal leaks that went undetected for long periods of time. KA should have added a decent water shield, but in spite of the timers that were ruined on KDS-17s by water leaks, the number does not come close to the number of timers with burned terminals on KDC-17 and KDI-17s, we had hundreds of customers with these that had two three or even four timers replaced before they threw in the towel and bought a new DW, even Whirlpool after they bought KA and assumed liability for these Hobart manufactured DWs was still paying for these poorly designed timers and cheap wiring when customers complained.
John L.
All KD-10 through KD-15 DWs had the timers under the tank and the KDS-16 and KDS-17s also had their timers there and yes some were ruined by main shaft seal leaks that went undetected for long periods of time. KA should have added a decent water shield, but in spite of the timers that were ruined on KDS-17s by water leaks, the number does not come close to the number of timers with burned terminals on KDC-17 and KDI-17s, we had hundreds of customers with these that had two three or even four timers replaced before they threw in the towel and bought a new DW, even Whirlpool after they bought KA and assumed liability for these Hobart manufactured DWs was still paying for these poorly designed timers and cheap wiring when customers complained.
John L.
stevet
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Thanks for the memories
John, you reminded me of some of the really dumb things they did when they made some of the wiring harnesses on the dishwashers.
What always stands out in my mind were the spade terminals on the timers and components that were not even solid spade terminals! They were hollow and just clipped on to the terminals with those thin sides.
Yep, got to wonder who approved that decision!
John, you reminded me of some of the really dumb things they did when they made some of the wiring harnesses on the dishwashers.
What always stands out in my mind were the spade terminals on the timers and components that were not even solid spade terminals! They were hollow and just clipped on to the terminals with those thin sides.
Yep, got to wonder who approved that decision!
Just to say, the KDI-17a we had from late summer of 1975 until we moved out of that house in the early 1980s ... and then the KDI-17a that was already in the "new" house that went until the early 2000s ... neither one had any timer trouble.
mom11
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Yikes...what have I done???
Oh boy, fellas, what have I gotten myself into? I will have to check the for the #'s you talked about. Can you tell me where I would find them? The owner's manual I got with it was for all 3: custom, imperial, and superba. Mine is the superba. I love this machine and it does such a good job.
I got it, btw, because my 10 month old $750 Kitchen Aid dishwasher has had to have service twice...in 10 months. Next time they come out I have to pay for everything because it wouldn't be under warranty. So I pulled that thing out, put it in the basement, and will put it back in when we have to sell the house. Modern appliances just cannot handle my family. I have moved to all vintage appliances over the last few years because they simply are better machines, have fewer things to break down on them, and I am able to fix them myself...to a point. Our family should work for Consumer Report because I can pretty much tell you the design flaws and breaking points of all the major (and minor) appliances we've had for almost 30 years. There's not a modern machine out there my kids can't break or wear out. But all my lovely older ladies are chugging along just fine.
Everything new has a motherboard on it and those have been a disaster for us. My new motto is: "There is only room for one "mother" in this kitchen (laundry room) and that's me."
Thanks for the help, Steve.
Oh boy, fellas, what have I gotten myself into? I will have to check the for the #'s you talked about. Can you tell me where I would find them? The owner's manual I got with it was for all 3: custom, imperial, and superba. Mine is the superba. I love this machine and it does such a good job.
I got it, btw, because my 10 month old $750 Kitchen Aid dishwasher has had to have service twice...in 10 months. Next time they come out I have to pay for everything because it wouldn't be under warranty. So I pulled that thing out, put it in the basement, and will put it back in when we have to sell the house. Modern appliances just cannot handle my family. I have moved to all vintage appliances over the last few years because they simply are better machines, have fewer things to break down on them, and I am able to fix them myself...to a point. Our family should work for Consumer Report because I can pretty much tell you the design flaws and breaking points of all the major (and minor) appliances we've had for almost 30 years. There's not a modern machine out there my kids can't break or wear out. But all my lovely older ladies are chugging along just fine.
Everything new has a motherboard on it and those have been a disaster for us. My new motto is: "There is only room for one "mother" in this kitchen (laundry room) and that's me."
Thanks for the help, Steve.
danemodsandy
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Lisa:
The guys are just pointing out some things KitchenAid could've done better. Those are to be found on any appliance. Your GE Combination probably has a replacement compressor, because the originals were duds, and many of them went kaflooey just outside of warranty, as the one on the Combination I grew up with did. So, there are weak points on anything, even vintage appliances we prize today.
Please remember that your KDS-17 has already outlasted most of the dishwashers sold in competition to it, and has the potential to go many years more. It's not a perfect machine - no machine is. But it's a damn good one. And no motherboard.
The guys are just pointing out some things KitchenAid could've done better. Those are to be found on any appliance. Your GE Combination probably has a replacement compressor, because the originals were duds, and many of them went kaflooey just outside of warranty, as the one on the Combination I grew up with did. So, there are weak points on anything, even vintage appliances we prize today.
Please remember that your KDS-17 has already outlasted most of the dishwashers sold in competition to it, and has the potential to go many years more. It's not a perfect machine - no machine is. But it's a damn good one. And no motherboard.
firedome
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All 4 of the KDC/KDI-17s we have or have had
have had no timer issues. The KDC-17 we bought new in '74 was still working perfectly in 1990 when we moved. That said, Steve or John, would it be worthwhile to go in now and replace the spades with better types? I do lots of soldering on the tube amps I work on so that's no big deal, and have 3 of these machines, so the wires and timers themselves were OK?
have had no timer issues. The KDC-17 we bought new in '74 was still working perfectly in 1990 when we moved. That said, Steve or John, would it be worthwhile to go in now and replace the spades with better types? I do lots of soldering on the tube amps I work on so that's no big deal, and have 3 of these machines, so the wires and timers themselves were OK?
Termainal failures on KDC and KDI KD DWs
Hi Roger, yes if I were considering using either of these DWs as a daily driver I would carefully check both the timer, selector switch and the door interlock switch for any terminal overheating and I would also replace all the spade terminals that carry the dry heater or main motors current with better quality terminals and crimp and solder them, you might also want use heaver wire. This was a major weak spot for heavily used KD17 DWs.
Hope this helps you keep these DWs alive, timers and selector switches for these DWs are getting harder and harder to find.
John L.
Hi Roger, yes if I were considering using either of these DWs as a daily driver I would carefully check both the timer, selector switch and the door interlock switch for any terminal overheating and I would also replace all the spade terminals that carry the dry heater or main motors current with better quality terminals and crimp and solder them, you might also want use heaver wire. This was a major weak spot for heavily used KD17 DWs.
Hope this helps you keep these DWs alive, timers and selector switches for these DWs are getting harder and harder to find.
John L.
firedome
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That...
is great advice John, thanks very much. I'd like to keep these classic beasts alive!
is great advice John, thanks very much. I'd like to keep these classic beasts alive!
