jakeseacrest
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Does anyone have brochures they could scan for any of these dishwashers?
KDS17, 18, 19, or 20
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This was in a kitchen drawer from when my folks bought a Superba in 1977. I snatched it up on a recent trip home. It replaced a 1968 Waste King Universal and it lasted about 20 years. Now they have an Asko. The Kitchenaid was, without question, the best of the three.
This was in a kitchen drawer from when my folks bought a Superba in 1977. I snatched it up on a recent trip home. It replaced a 1968 Waste King Universal and it lasted about 20 years. Now they have an Asko. The Kitchenaid was, without question, the best of the three.
dj-gabriele
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They use loads of water!!! Anywhere between 15 (56,8 l) and 7,5 (28,4 l)gallons! That's huge!
My BOL dishwasher does a great job with 18 litres (4,7 gal) and that is quite a lot. New Ariston machines work with only 13 litres (3,4 gal).
But I must say that here the longest cycle is only 108 minutes, the normal being 67 minutes. On mine it takes twice that much for the same, normal, cycle.
My BOL dishwasher does a great job with 18 litres (4,7 gal) and that is quite a lot. New Ariston machines work with only 13 litres (3,4 gal).
But I must say that here the longest cycle is only 108 minutes, the normal being 67 minutes. On mine it takes twice that much for the same, normal, cycle.
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I'm loving the '70s kitchen decor in these ads!! How funny! Especially the yellow cabinets with the floral doors!!
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Thanks for the Post.
I too, LOOOVVVE, the 70s decor. And the kitchenaids are cool. I didn't know that they had the 2nd level wash are in the 70s though. I thought that was something added in like '82. Live and learn.
My second dishwasher was a Superba from like '74. This was in 1981. It had a trim kit with wood paneling in the front. The motor bearing were shot and it made alot of noise. It looked similar to those in the pics but there was no energy saver and no second level wash arm.
Thanks again for posting.
I too, LOOOVVVE, the 70s decor. And the kitchenaids are cool. I didn't know that they had the 2nd level wash are in the 70s though. I thought that was something added in like '82. Live and learn.
My second dishwasher was a Superba from like '74. This was in 1981. It had a trim kit with wood paneling in the front. The motor bearing were shot and it made alot of noise. It looked similar to those in the pics but there was no energy saver and no second level wash arm.
Thanks again for posting.
mrcleanjeans
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I've always been puzzled at the KD18's short upper level power wash arm that didn't extend to the corners of the upper rack.Great machines though and wonderful brochures.
jakeseacrest
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Thanks for the post. I wonder why they had 2-3 post wash rinses on these models and then switched to 1 on later models.
2-3 post wash rinses then later switched to 1 (plus a purge)
Michael, it's called water efficiency goal standards. 13.5 & 15 gallons was incredible usage even back then. It always bugged me on the KDS16, and 17 and 18, the pre-wash with detergent was so short and the subsequent rinses before main washer were so short, barely filled up and started draining again. Drove me nuts. I went home and hugged my RotoRack with the 5 minute detergent prewash.
Michael, it's called water efficiency goal standards. 13.5 & 15 gallons was incredible usage even back then. It always bugged me on the KDS16, and 17 and 18, the pre-wash with detergent was so short and the subsequent rinses before main washer were so short, barely filled up and started draining again. Drove me nuts. I went home and hugged my RotoRack with the 5 minute detergent prewash.
You can take this water efficiency BS and shove is so far up
Short cycle on these, back then: W-W-R-R and probably 20 minutes.
OMG that cycle sequence is today's "Pots & Pans" cycle.
You are lucky to get W-W-R today on a "Normal" setting and have it take less than 2 hours to do it.
Short cycle on these, back then: W-W-R-R and probably 20 minutes.
OMG that cycle sequence is today's "Pots & Pans" cycle.
You are lucky to get W-W-R today on a "Normal" setting and have it take less than 2 hours to do it.
I did have the imperial of this line in a house that I had rented and my sister bought a house at the same time with the Superba. What they list as 3 prerinses was actually 2 soil purges and a full rinse. On the Superba for 3 after rinses was actually 2 full rinses and a purge. So, given that information it was a big water hog. Non the less everything always came out sparkling clean. GOD--what happend to quality like that!!!!
The logic behind quick prewashes:
Get the loose grease and muck off and out fast before the detergent's ability to hold it in suspension is challenged.
Get rid of protein stains and soils (egg, mayo etc,) before the water gets too hot (from the lines).
IMHO: Ideally W-R-W-R-R for real dirty stuff.
Quick pre-wash with "cold" from line
Quick intermediary rinse with warmern water.
LONG HOT MAIN WASH
Two more rinses.
I don't like the really long heated first wash of a Pots and Pans cycle. (if there is red tomato sauce in there, for example, it's all over the plastic cutting boards and gets recirculated for a long time till the water heats. I much prefer a "rinse only" with detergent, followed by a "normal" wash for really heavily soiled loads.
And in my NEWER tall-tub Kitchen-Aid I will have to run it twice pretty much guaranteed due to grit in glasses. Now just LOOK how much water it saves, huh? *LOL*
Get the loose grease and muck off and out fast before the detergent's ability to hold it in suspension is challenged.
Get rid of protein stains and soils (egg, mayo etc,) before the water gets too hot (from the lines).
IMHO: Ideally W-R-W-R-R for real dirty stuff.
Quick pre-wash with "cold" from line
Quick intermediary rinse with warmern water.
LONG HOT MAIN WASH
Two more rinses.
I don't like the really long heated first wash of a Pots and Pans cycle. (if there is red tomato sauce in there, for example, it's all over the plastic cutting boards and gets recirculated for a long time till the water heats. I much prefer a "rinse only" with detergent, followed by a "normal" wash for really heavily soiled loads.
And in my NEWER tall-tub Kitchen-Aid I will have to run it twice pretty much guaranteed due to grit in glasses. Now just LOOK how much water it saves, huh? *LOL*
..meaning why recirculate muck for over half an hour waiting to *prove* (get to) a water temp. potentially staining the plastic stuff worse.
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Who is shoving what in where? nasty Protein Stains? That can be a problem.
my very first dishwasher in 1981 and first appliance for that matter was a 1974ish MOL KM in Coffee color built-in i got off the curb which seem to work fine. I remember taking the console off and following the schematic and trying to alter the wiring to control what it did. Kinda like what Robert has done with the Washer, only much less technologically advanced. After experimenting for a while, I put it back together and traded it for a relatives Kitchen-Aid with bad bearings. That was intimidating. lol. I was 14 and there were no GFI circuits in our garage. I'm amazed I didn't get a shock somehow over time.
my very first dishwasher in 1981 and first appliance for that matter was a 1974ish MOL KM in Coffee color built-in i got off the curb which seem to work fine. I remember taking the console off and following the schematic and trying to alter the wiring to control what it did. Kinda like what Robert has done with the Washer, only much less technologically advanced. After experimenting for a while, I put it back together and traded it for a relatives Kitchen-Aid with bad bearings. That was intimidating. lol. I was 14 and there were no GFI circuits in our garage. I'm amazed I didn't get a shock somehow over time.
Interesting, I have the brochure from the exact same year, same series (KDS,P,I,C-18) only it's for my parents' "Patrician" model that fit between the Superba and the Imperial. It was a new model that fit our needs perfectly (although, in retrospect, the water heater is always desirable). IMHO KitchenAid's apex was the 17 series as the racking was perfect, even though it didn't have the center spray arm, the proportions and design couldn't be beat. If anyone's interested I'll scan and post it.
