Kenmore Elite Washer and Dryer - $300 (Downingtown)
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ovrphil
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me too
A calypso!
I have an older WP version of the Calypso and really like it.
Yeah that looks like it would be a great set for someone.
Kevin
I have an older WP version of the Calypso and really like it.
Yeah that looks like it would be a great set for someone.
Kevin
ovrphil
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Are the older Whirlpool versions preferred or better, Kevin?
Newer versions are better. Whirlpool did numerous engineering revisions through the course of production, ranging in significance from redesign of the u-joint and boot, redesign of the pump, to cutting the fluff period after the final spin from 30 seconds to 8 seconds.
Kenmore changed the console layout once or twice. Whirlpool kept the same console for the duration.
ovrphil
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Dadoes - thank you, I've always admired these, but I have no clue what to avoid and what is preferred. I'll need to look at the Calypso closer , as I didn't realise that it was marketed under Whirlpool and Kenmore.
A window on the washer would be nice..but that's just me.
Phil
A window on the washer would be nice..but that's just me.
Phil
ovrphil
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Even less: KENMORE WASHER AND DRYER - $200 (NW Tucson)
ad: " Kenmore Elite Calypso Washer and Kenmore Elite Sensor Smart GAS dryer for sale. This white matched set was purchased new at Sears Tucson Mall and we are the original owners. Both the washer and dryer work well and are super clean.
The washer has an electronic control board panel--no dials or buttons. Same with the dryer.
In addition to the stainless steel wash basket, this king size capacity washer has 10 cycles and automatic water level technology to save water.
The king size capacity dryer has eight cycles along with a porcelain interior drum, automatic temperature control, wrinkle guard, automatic cool down period and moisture sensing capability.
We are including two braided stainless steel water inlet hoses for the washer along with a flexible gas line and a flexible vent tube for the dryer.
We are selling the washer and dryer as a set for only for $200 "
http://tucson.craigslist.org/app/4642907526.html
ad: " Kenmore Elite Calypso Washer and Kenmore Elite Sensor Smart GAS dryer for sale. This white matched set was purchased new at Sears Tucson Mall and we are the original owners. Both the washer and dryer work well and are super clean.
The washer has an electronic control board panel--no dials or buttons. Same with the dryer.
In addition to the stainless steel wash basket, this king size capacity washer has 10 cycles and automatic water level technology to save water.
The king size capacity dryer has eight cycles along with a porcelain interior drum, automatic temperature control, wrinkle guard, automatic cool down period and moisture sensing capability.
We are including two braided stainless steel water inlet hoses for the washer along with a flexible gas line and a flexible vent tube for the dryer.
We are selling the washer and dryer as a set for only for $200 "
http://tucson.craigslist.org/app/4642907526.html
ovrphil
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In Black Dress: Kennmore Elite Calypso Washer & Dryer-$200
Different panels from the above white version
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/app/4641859905.html
Different panels from the above white version
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/app/4641859905.html
A more complete list of the engineering changes. Again, some are minor, others are more mechanically-major.
- revised u-joint & boot
- revised pump (original = separate pump & motor, revised = unitary pump & motor)
- eliminated the secondary flood pressure switch
- softener dispenser revision (applied to the Calypso and Catalyst at the time of the revision)
- fluff period after final spin reduced from 30 seconds to 8 seconds
- revision to the gasket on the bleach injection nozzle at side of the tub
There also were some revisions on the cycle sequences, software version of the machine controller board. I have four boards but haven't noted what are the revision IDs or swapped them to compare the operational differences.
ovrphil
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Whirlpool revisions and reviews
Dadoes - With these cited improvements, some year of production for the Whirlpool Calypso, hopefully, resulted in a better machine. Which year(s) or model number(s) would be best bets for reliability; caveats, in other words? I hope the snickering isn't choking anyone. It's interesting that this machine had hoards of negative criticisms which of course show up the most. Do the happiest consumers go online and report "GREAT machine!" vs. the complainers; unhappy consumers are the loudest.
The unitary pump and motor were a big change - did it affect db levels when it became unitized, I wonder?
That would be a total adventure, to swap the boards and see what results. The Calypso was discontinued; it wasn't due to success. But some of them were better than others. But which?
ps - I'm watching your youtube vid ( )
Dadoes - With these cited improvements, some year of production for the Whirlpool Calypso, hopefully, resulted in a better machine. Which year(s) or model number(s) would be best bets for reliability; caveats, in other words? I hope the snickering isn't choking anyone. It's interesting that this machine had hoards of negative criticisms which of course show up the most. Do the happiest consumers go online and report "GREAT machine!" vs. the complainers; unhappy consumers are the loudest.
The unitary pump and motor were a big change - did it affect db levels when it became unitized, I wonder?
That would be a total adventure, to swap the boards and see what results. The Calypso was discontinued; it wasn't due to success. But some of them were better than others. But which?
ps - I'm watching your youtube vid ( )
I love these washers so much!
It was a vintage design brought to life in our modern world. Something I wish would take place with so many machines.
I don't have any of this type. I do keep my eye out however.
I think the washers are awesome.
It was a vintage design brought to life in our modern world. Something I wish would take place with so many machines.
I don't have any of this type. I do keep my eye out however.
I think the washers are awesome.
your best bet at knowing which ones have the latest revisions, or at least the glitches worked out.....unless they can show proof that the revisions were done....
for whirlpool, you want to look for model numbers ending in KQ2.....KQO was the first, second generation was KQ1.....
a little harder with the Kenmores to know which is which, unless you trace model/serial numbers for years of production.....but instead of the panel designs that are shown on these above, they changed the panel to a circular center touch pad for the cycles as the last/latest revision, and removed the word 'Calypso Wash Motion" from the control panel...
other than that, your taking chances unless proof is provided that the revisions were done....
both pumps are relatively quiet for either design.....almost silent.....
one other thing, if you, or anyone, has changed the boards, BOTH must be replaced at the same time if a glitch/virus is found....otherwise it will just transfer that back and forth....
about the only change in operation of cycles I have noticed so far, Normal cycle flips back and forth from nutate(agitation) to slow spin with the waterfall saturating the load.....the first series just rotated the load to saturate with the waterfall, then went into nutate from then on.....adding water through the detergent dispenser....
it also just dispenses water through the detergent dispenser for the first minutes to start the waterfall......then the water saturates the load from the fill flume at the 11 o' clock position until the pressure switch is satisfied...
just small changes from one machines functions to the next....
some people don't like them....I find them to be thorough at washing and rinsing....800rpm final spin...and almost fool proof to load and go!...
and your only washing in roughly 3 gallons of water per fill....
for whirlpool, you want to look for model numbers ending in KQ2.....KQO was the first, second generation was KQ1.....
a little harder with the Kenmores to know which is which, unless you trace model/serial numbers for years of production.....but instead of the panel designs that are shown on these above, they changed the panel to a circular center touch pad for the cycles as the last/latest revision, and removed the word 'Calypso Wash Motion" from the control panel...
other than that, your taking chances unless proof is provided that the revisions were done....
both pumps are relatively quiet for either design.....almost silent.....
one other thing, if you, or anyone, has changed the boards, BOTH must be replaced at the same time if a glitch/virus is found....otherwise it will just transfer that back and forth....
about the only change in operation of cycles I have noticed so far, Normal cycle flips back and forth from nutate(agitation) to slow spin with the waterfall saturating the load.....the first series just rotated the load to saturate with the waterfall, then went into nutate from then on.....adding water through the detergent dispenser....
it also just dispenses water through the detergent dispenser for the first minutes to start the waterfall......then the water saturates the load from the fill flume at the 11 o' clock position until the pressure switch is satisfied...
just small changes from one machines functions to the next....
some people don't like them....I find them to be thorough at washing and rinsing....800rpm final spin...and almost fool proof to load and go!...
and your only washing in roughly 3 gallons of water per fill....
danemodsandy
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Consumer Reports....
....Liked the Calypso, as I recall.
Which goes to show you what testing recommendations without years of owner data proving reliability can do to mislead buyers.
....Liked the Calypso, as I recall.
Which goes to show you what testing recommendations without years of owner data proving reliability can do to mislead buyers.
Thanks for the Info Martin! Good to know.
Sandy, I truly think this was one of the best wash systems I have ever used. You really have to wash 'like items', right amount of detergent, etc. I just wish I could find a decent set...and I have seen many out there. I wish Whirlpool would come back with this design.
Sandy, I truly think this was one of the best wash systems I have ever used. You really have to wash 'like items', right amount of detergent, etc. I just wish I could find a decent set...and I have seen many out there. I wish Whirlpool would come back with this design.
danemodsandy
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Brent,
My sense of the situation is that Whirlpool finally got it right, the same way Maytag vastly improved the Neptune.
However, all those early customers who got their butts burned made for bad word-of-mouth, eventually killing machines that might have been strong sellers over time if early versions had been as good as later ones.
I think one of the answers to debacles like these two is much more extended and rigorous product testing. Too much today is done with computer modeling, which supposedly predicts what will happen when the design is finally built and running. As many an appliance and auto maker could tell you (but won't), it does no such thing.
The outcome was especially sad in the case of the Neptune, because the defects were actually fairly minor. The control board needed a couple of components beefed up at a few cents a pop, the wax motor needed some tweaking and the door boot needed a drain system. None of this was expensive. What was expensive was Maytag management of the time sticking its head in the sand and instructing Customer Care to basically tell consumers there weren't any problems they weren't causing themselves. Not sussing out the problems prior to release and not dealing with them aggressively after they surfaced in the field essentially put Maytag on the road to ruin as a free-standing company.
My sense of the situation is that Whirlpool finally got it right, the same way Maytag vastly improved the Neptune.
However, all those early customers who got their butts burned made for bad word-of-mouth, eventually killing machines that might have been strong sellers over time if early versions had been as good as later ones.
I think one of the answers to debacles like these two is much more extended and rigorous product testing. Too much today is done with computer modeling, which supposedly predicts what will happen when the design is finally built and running. As many an appliance and auto maker could tell you (but won't), it does no such thing.
The outcome was especially sad in the case of the Neptune, because the defects were actually fairly minor. The control board needed a couple of components beefed up at a few cents a pop, the wax motor needed some tweaking and the door boot needed a drain system. None of this was expensive. What was expensive was Maytag management of the time sticking its head in the sand and instructing Customer Care to basically tell consumers there weren't any problems they weren't causing themselves. Not sussing out the problems prior to release and not dealing with them aggressively after they surfaced in the field essentially put Maytag on the road to ruin as a free-standing company.
ovrphil
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Martin - thank you; didn't realize you also had some Calypsos. What didn't you own? 
That is good info you provided to everyone. Watching DaDoes video gave me a first hand on how this machine washes. I was originally thinking that there was a more traditional agitator in the Calypso and they evolved into the stubby agitator. The action is unusual, rolling the clothes around in a waterfall was a surprise to me. The three gallon amounts of water used per cleaning cycle(normal, I am guessing?) is truly energy-saving. I'm all for saving water, but we lived in two counties here that decided to add on a sewer fee(helps to pay for expansion and maintenance of present sewer systems). This doubled our water bill, despite our success in saving water. Of course, water is saved but we still get the shaft for trying to save water. Back to the machine.
Sandy - didn't they replace that wax motor or some part and finally got it right? Did the door boot get the drain system or is that still a thorn?
A440 - if you find something and buy it, I'd be interested in knowing what you bought and how you chose it.
That is good info you provided to everyone. Watching DaDoes video gave me a first hand on how this machine washes. I was originally thinking that there was a more traditional agitator in the Calypso and they evolved into the stubby agitator. The action is unusual, rolling the clothes around in a waterfall was a surprise to me. The three gallon amounts of water used per cleaning cycle(normal, I am guessing?) is truly energy-saving. I'm all for saving water, but we lived in two counties here that decided to add on a sewer fee(helps to pay for expansion and maintenance of present sewer systems). This doubled our water bill, despite our success in saving water. Of course, water is saved but we still get the shaft for trying to save water. Back to the machine. Sandy - didn't they replace that wax motor or some part and finally got it right? Did the door boot get the drain system or is that still a thorn?
A440 - if you find something and buy it, I'd be interested in knowing what you bought and how you chose it.
My machine in the video is a "1" model. It has the updated u-joint & softener dispenser. Original-style pump and 30-second fluff. I don't know about the bleach nozzle gasket, it had a slight leak and the replacement is unreasonably expensive so I improvised.
I have a "0" model stashed in my garage which I used a couple times but have not refurbished. It presumably has not had any repairs being that it still has the original-style u-joint (and pump).
Sandy, I can't agree with you more about your views on the downfall of these machines. I think if Whirlpool reissued it and called it a totally different name the majority of consumers would not even notice it was the same (better built) unit. I am not impressed with WP's new top loaders.
Phil, I want a new one out of the box! LOL! The last models of course. I have gone to see several and they are all so yucky. Just nasty. Operator error to the max! Mold! Mold! Mold! and on top of that needing repair. I know it can all be fixed but I just don't want to deal with it. I am thinking someday a hardly used set will show up. Or perhaps I can find a new in box.
B
Phil, I want a new one out of the box! LOL! The last models of course. I have gone to see several and they are all so yucky. Just nasty. Operator error to the max! Mold! Mold! Mold! and on top of that needing repair. I know it can all be fixed but I just don't want to deal with it. I am thinking someday a hardly used set will show up. Or perhaps I can find a new in box.
B
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