KitchenAid K-45 Mixer -- How Old Is It?

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Excellent Hans,

I didn't know the timeline of their product evolution. My high school buds mom had a K5a from about 1976, and the nylon drive gear in the head stripped after onyly a year or 2 of use. The repiar center fixed it no charge though. Do you kniow when they stopped using all metal gearing? We go to an ice cream parlor where they use liquid nitrogen, and they have the commercial ones. You can tell they must have all metal gears as the sound is totally different.
 
Anyone knows if there's a serial number stamped somewhere on these? My 4C says Hobart MFG which I assume makes it older than 1975? There's a hand written note under the base, is that a date code?

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Fix it help

Trying to get this lovely back up and running. Think the head needs adjustment and any guides to attachments that might fit? The attachment seems to need a slightly larger opening hang than some of the paddles sent with it. Also seems the head is tilted a bit too far down. Worth fixing I think. Motor is fine just not fitting the bowl and again think head is too far forward.

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Neither of those attachments appear to be the correct size for your mixer.   The one with the white coating looks like it's for a larger mixing bowl and the burnished one looks like it belongs on a smaller model of mixer.

 

There are owner's and service manuals available to download for a fee (see link).  You should also consider a later style mixing bowl that has a rolled rim.  My K45 had the same scratches on the stand from the edge of bowl rim.  

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RE: Look Under

Heya Louvac, just got my mom's old mixer and found these forums and your question. Looked under the mixer and there's a sticker. It is in purple and white and says , 9577.

I'm guessing it was made in 1977.

What say you?

Post# 1049188, Reply# 25 10/28/2019 at 19:02 by Louvac (M)

>Look under the mixer inside the neck. There may be a white rectangular piece of paper sticker with purplish >numbers on it. It looks like an unimportant manufacturing sticker.

>Let me know what you find!



Re: Look Under

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Also wanting to date my K45

I've had a Hobart-made K45 for about three years and have always been curious to figure out just how old it is. I've always estimated it to be from the mid-70s, just based on the color (pale yellow, possibly "Harvest Gold") and condition, although after reading the messages above, I suspect it may be a little older and certainly made before the company changed its name to Hobart Corp.

The plate where the bowl is mounted reads "KITCHENAID DIVISION THE HOBART MFG. CO. TROY, OHIO." It specifies 115 Volts and has the UL seal but not the CSA seal. It also has a line stamped along the lower edge that I have not seen on other plates, reading "CAUTION: UNPLUG BEFORE INSERTING OR REMOVING PAR" (see photo) which is also printed on the band around the motor housing (except the last word is complete).

The sticker inside the base reads "17379" which, if it is a date code of some sort, I cannot easily decipher. (Perhaps "73" is the year?) The bowl has a rolled edge (no significant nicks on the pedestal) and the power cord has two prongs.

I just bought a new Artisan Series mixer, which is scheduled for delivery later on today. I am looking forward to comparing the two machines.

Any guess as to when this machine may have been made? It runs well and passes the try-to-hold-the-beater test. The only reason I bought the new one was so that it would match all the other appliances in my kitchen, and the price was right.

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David, your mixer appears to be among the last ones made before the the SS designation.  I would guess it's from the late '70s.  The round knobs for the speed and lock levers provide another clue.  I think it wasn't long after production began on the SS models that the knobs were changed to the style still in use by KA today (compared to your new Artisan).

 

The black brush adjusting screws on the side of your mixer also stem from a design change that (by my estimation) was made around the time the SS models were launched.  The attachment hub cover on your machine appears from the side view to be the later type with the KA logo on it, which likely means the original plain cover was lost at some point.

 

I don't know what to make of the sticker on yours.  Perhaps if you disregard the 1, then July 3, 1979 could be the date of manufacture.  I haven't been able to determine when KA switched from the font style on my mixer in the OP to the style found on yours, but I think it was well before 1979. 

 

Lastly, the "caution" verbiage reeks of advisories and idiot-proofing that began appearing in the late '70s on all sorts of household appliances regardless of manufacturer.
 
Thank you, Sannazay, for your assessment. After posting my previous message and thinking more about that sticker, I agree with you that my machine is a 1979 vintage. What threw me off track initially were other messages I had seen that said Hobart had dropped "Manufacturing" from their name in 1974. Either that was incorrect information or my machine was constructed from parts that were remaining in inventory five years after the name change, specifically the locking plate (AKA screw cap kit).

Reinterpreting that sticker without considering the name change leads me to believe that my K45 was made on day 173, or June 22, of 1979. Thus it could indeed have been one of the last of the K45 models to be assembled. I tried to look up the date on which the assembly line switched over to building the K45SS model but couldn't come up with anything.

Incidentally, you were correct about the attachment hub cap having been replaced. It was missing when I acquired the machine from the son of the original owner and I didn't like looking at the gaping hole in the housing. Perhaps I should have bought an original, unadorned cap from someone on eBay, but the one with the KA logo looks very contemporary.

My new Artisan 5 qt. (KSM150OB) is nice and all, but I'm really cheesed off that Whirlpool decided the spring-and-washer assembly on the "agitator" shaft was superfluous and eliminated it sometime around 2016. Without that spring, the flat beater/dough hook/whisk attachment doesn't snap on with authority, thus forcing the user to look to make sure the attachment really is engaged. The original Hobart design showed great attention to detail, the subtlety of which seems to escape the Whirlpool engineers.

You can't buy those parts from Whirlpool parts retailers anymore, so I had to order them individually from other sources so I could "upgrade" my machine to original specs. I couldn't order just one spring and one washer, so I ordered the smallest quantity of each that I could order. I may end up combining the surplus pieces as kits and selling them on eBay for anyone who wants to make their machine whole again. Pulling that planetary assembly is so simple that anyone with a modicum of mechanical ability would be able to install the kit easily.

Over the next week or so I will be cleaning out and repacking the gear grease on my K45 -- using genuine Benalene 930-2 grease, of course. One has to be very careful if using ordinary food-grade grease, as the temperature profile might be completely different.

I haven't decided yet whether to keep the K45 or to sell it to someone who can give it a good home. It is in really great shape but, to be truthful, I really don't have the space to keep two KitchenAid mixers. If I do keep it, however, I might upgrade it to electronic motor control. (The last I knew, America's Test Kitchen still rated the 4.5 qt. KitchenAid mixers as their "Best Buy" in consumer stand mixers.)
 
David, I think you've figured it out.  I hadn't thought of the 173 referring to day of the year, but that's likely correct.  There is no sticker inside the base of my K45, so it will remain a mystery as to its age until more information shows up on line.

 

I think the original attachment hub covers were easily lost.  They were simple round flat plates with teeth around the edge that snapped into place and were pried out.  The new types are held in place by the tightening knob on the side of the hub, and just due to their size are a lot easier to keep track of.  I keep a vintage knife sharpening attachment in place on my machine and after checking in all of the logical spots, can't find the plain hub cover plate for it now.  I know it can't have gone far, and hope it will show up.

 

You're right about the "missing" planetary spring, but I thought that only the larger bowl-lift models had no spring.  I bought my sister a refurbished 6-quart model from KA on line and immediately noticed the missing spring.  I called and was told that the bigger models don't use a spring.  If your Artisan is a tilt-head type, this is the first I've heard of KA doing away with springs on that design too.  I agree that the spring helps to confirm that the paddle/whip/hook has been correctly installed, and it's good to know that a retrofit is possible.

 

I loaned Robert (our webmaster) my K5/K45 service manual and he has scanned and posted it in the library to be downloaded for a small fee.  That may help you with your rebuild/refurbishing, but I suggest you hang onto the K45 until you're sure you like the Artisan. 

 

I wouldn't bother with upgrading the speed control unless it's presenting problems, and besides, a new SS control wouldn't have the vintage round knob on the sliding lever like the original does, resulting in a mismatch with the locking lever.

 

Ralph

 

 

 

 
 
Logo As Indicator

Chalk it up to too much time on my hands during the current situation, but it occurred to me that in trying to figure out when the KA logo changed to its current iteration, I shouldn't limit myself to researching mixers.  Duh.

 

So I did an online search of dishwasher pictures and magazine ads, etc.  It appears that the last dishwasher KA produced with the same logo as seen on my mixer in the OP was the 15 series, which was introduced in the mid '60s.  I also found magazine ads from 1966 that showed a 15 series dishwasher but the copy of the ad included the later logo, so the transition appears to have taken place around then.

 

Based on this, I'd say my K45 can't be any later than the mid '60s unless they had lots of tilt head bands with the older style logo to be used up.  I can't say for sure when that logo began appearing.  I saw ads from 1960 with it, I think for a series 14 dishwasher, so I suppose my mixer could be at least that old.
 
New 1.3 HP Pro model or stick with my 45 S Kitchen Aid Mixer

I;m trying to figure out if the new 1.3 hp motor will be better or same as my 45S that was my Mom's I don't know how hold it is exactly, but I know it was purchased around 1972 (+/- 2 years). It's harvest gold. The purple number on the sticker is 22979, whatever that might mean. It still runs great, but the capacity is small for bread, pasta and other dough. Thanks in advance for any help, thoughts or opinions.
 
I think durability and the noise factor are the big negatives with newer KA mixers, but if you need more capacity, yes, you'll need a new mixer.  I would suggest you try to stick with a tilt-head type if there's one on the market that's large enough for your needs.  I found the bowl-lift Professional HD that we had was annoying to use.

 

Per research I posted above, I think your mom's K45 SS isn't likely older than 1979. 
 
New 1.3 HP Pro model or stick with my 45 S Kitchen Aid Mixer

I know for a fact it was bought way before 1979. I was there when she got it. I just can't remember 1972 or 73 (related to when we moved & the new all harvest gold kitchen/ I was about 14). Thanks!
 
K45

My grandparents replaced their K45 after years of hard use. I quickly grabbed it instead of them selling it. I agree that it is the smoothest and quietest KitchenAid I have ever used. Nothing beats a true Hobart KA machine.
 
One thing I've noticed on my K45 recently is that when I turn it on to top speed to use the knife sharpener attachment, it doesn't always run at top speed.  I have to move the speed lever back a bit, then forward, and then it runs at full speed. 

 

I think this serves as a good argument for the solid state speed control, but it's possible that the situation could be remedied if I wanted to bother with taking a look at things under the cover.  If the issue gets worse, that's what I'll do.  In the meantime, I love using my smooth, quiet K45, particularly with the after-market bowl-scraping flat beater.  I can't remember the last time I had to scrape down the sides of the bowl myself.
 
O-M-F-G!

Phil, I know it's displayed at the top of every thread, but I really had no idea that it has been TEN YEARS since I acquired my K45 until you pointed it out.  Time is flying faster than ever, like a goddamned runaway train.

 

I guess this thread must land near the top of Google search hits because it has been revived a number of times over that period by others, primarily first-time posters.   I can get annoyed by revived ancient threads as much as the next person (remember Dick S. trying to set some kind of record with his Flair thread), but I hope that with this one there has been some helpful information gleaned or dispensed as a result.

 

 
 
Flying by

Ten years! I know, it's amazing(s.o.b.,where did my last 10 years go?). Eight years ago, I found aw.org(I think, but not 10). Agreed, reviving some older threads can be annoying and I wasn't sensitive to that at first. None-the-less,the old threads come up in my searches and occasionally help me or inspire me to push on. I could have posted the Kitchenaid history as a new thread, though. Kitchenaid is so popular, the older threads can have a timeless value, information-wise.

Anyway, Ralph...enjoy your coming Christmas holiday and time off, if that's what is coming. Best wishes for happy mixing. I think it's great that you still have and use that K45, which may age, but doesn't likely show it quite as much as us mortals.
 
Kitchenaid Stand Mixer Model K45

Hey Guys!

I happened upon another Kitchenaid K45 250W stand mixer at the GW outlet. Was quite dirty and what I thought was scratched up paint marks turned out to be just grease marks of some kind. With some cleaning and a Magic Eraser, all of them came off and the machine is in quite good shape actually! Not bad for $3.99!!

You just have to be a little careful with a Magic Eraser as it can etch or dull painted surfaces particularly if you are too aggressive with your cleaning. Car wax will generally restore the shine pretty good.

Anyway, once I again I wanted to date this machine and once again under the neck inside, there is a white sticker--the only label bearing a number of any kind other than what is stamped on the bowl plate. The number on this one is 34376.

Now, I know there was some talk on this thread a while back a about dating these machines and I think I may have hit on something here. Ricky, sorry for never getting back to you but I think I may have cracked the code.

Many manufacturers use Julian dates in their serial numbers or for their manufacturing code. I think the one I just found boils down to this translation:
The number 34376 means that it was made on the 343rd day in 1976. Which means that it was made on December 10, 1976. Like wise, Ricky yours was made on the 95th day of 1977. Which further translates to April 5, 1977.

For manufacturers, Julian dates provided a more concise date code and were easier too read in most respects. This number on mine makes sense because it was made before 1986 when KA was still owned by Hobart. This would explain why yours, Ricky is only 4 digits and mine is 5 digits.

What do you guys think?
 
Makes sense to me!  I wish mine still had a sticker.  Without one, the best I can come up with is a range of years rather than an exact date.

 

You got a great deal on that mixer, even if it didn't have a bowl or its beaters!
 
What does...

What does the Kitchenaid font look like? I will take a pic of mine once I finish cleaning it up this weekend. The font can be an indicator of a time period.
 
Check out the picture in the OP and compare the logo to this later type that KA is still using:

 

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I just noticed that this thread has received over 37K views!   That averages more than ten views per day over the past 10+ years!

 

Clearly, there are a lot of inquiring minds out there wondering how old their mixers are.
 
I did not get your email.  I don't have my address posted, so am not sure how you would have emailed me.
 
OOOPS!

Sorry, Ralph, I had emailed 6foot8guy. It wasn't you.

BUT, I saw your original post and I can see the KA logo is definitely different than most I have seen with this model. I would say that yours is definitely from the mid 60s to the early 70s. I like your model's graphics!

I wonder if there is any interest here in Automatic Washer for a gathering for those of us who are interested in small appliances? A small appliance convention of sorts you could say! It would be so much fun! And, actually be able to use them to produce consumables while there!

Any interest guys?
 
Oh, there's no shortage of interest in small appliances here!

 

Members Kevin (kevin313) and Hans (norgeway) come to mind as two who have huge collections.  I checked if either of them have a photo album for viewing but they don't.  Kevin has a lot of his collection, most of which is cooking/baking-oriented, displayed in an old small town dime store space somewhere in Michigan.  Last I heard he was planning to open to the place to the public but I don't know where things stand at the moment.
 
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