KitchenAid Superba Selectra 22 Dishwasher

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andrewinorlando

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A couple of months ago, I picked up a KA Superba Selectra 22 dishwasher. The machine had hardly even been used. Here are some pictures I took....the digital display is hard to see under the camera's light, but I think you'll kind of get the idea! It's really a beautiful machine...Hobart design, powerful pump and disposal unit, and the porcelain is in mint condition.

Here is the right side of the control panel.....notice one of the buttons says "Preheating Water Off".

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Here's a shot of my new JennAir commercial gas range. Picked her up at the scratch n dent shop for a whopping $405!!! Brand new, not a mark on it. How could anyone pass this up?? Really an excellent range.

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These 22's must be coming "in season" now, and what a great catch! These were terrific cleaning machines - it's good you have the Whirlpool influences, Hobart didn't have very good luck with the electronics in their version and ended up replacing a lot of dishwashers. We had some neighbors around that time that never could the theirs to run a complete cycle and ended up getting a whole new Superba model.
 
Apparently, not many were sold because they were so damned expensive (almost $1200 at the time - 1989) and had reliability issues with the older models. The Selectra didn't really offer anything over the Superba, except the ability to turn off the water pre-heating...for a lot more money! Unfortunately, it's hard to see the electronic display in my photos, but that is a cool part of the dishwasher - has a bar graph along the bottom that tells how much energy your cycle uses, and when the machine is heating, a different bar graph appears to tell you how hot the water is inside the machine from "WARM" to "HOT" to "SANI". I thought it was pretty neat!
 
Selectra 22

Hi Andrew,
The selectra is real nice. The KA was always my favorate dw. Nothing is built like them today. I never did like that pre-heat water at the start of the cycle. It should have been held in the main wash cycle. BTW Bella is a awsome dog.
Peter
 
Pete -

Actually, the Selectra does heat water during the main wash cycle as well as the first wash (and Soak and Scrub cycle). According to the cycle progress chart, while the machine is washing during the main wash, the heating element is energized, but it is not thermostatically controlled during this phase. Same thing happens during all wash phases if you select the "Water Pre-heating Off" option - it heats, but the water heating is just not delayed until it hits 140 degrees.

Overall, without water pre-heating turned on, the end of cycle rinse temp is at about 127 - 130 degrees, vs. 137 degrees with the pre-heat option set. That's with the water heater set at around 125.
 
superba selectra

I have one of these, it is in a rental house, the heater fan went out but it still works, the digital display was the next to start acting funny. Led only displays parts of numbers. Still washes well.
 
Have any of you ever seen this Kitchen Aid Model?

I had this in Chicago and was told by ABT that it was made for only a short time. I thought it was a good machine and it worked well. The salesman told me to take out a service contract because the board alone was $450 to replace and that was 10 years ago.

Sorry the photo isn't better but it was taken with my sorry Axx original Sony digital camera. Great concept as it had a disk to store the photos but it took crappy pictures.

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That is the Superba 24 or 25 series. All Whirlpool, inside and out. No trace of the old Hobart design like the 22 was. The 23 was the transitional model...Hobart look with the Whirlpool pump. That was the last of the Hobart-inspired series of dishwashers.
 
The 24 and 25 models, like the one in your picture, were good performers, pretty quiet, but with problematic control boards. Not to mention, expensive.
 
pick up your pants!

Andrew, the machine looks great and it did have the coolest control panel of all the KA electronic units.
Now just pick up the lower panel on the left side..looks like it slipped out of the bracket.

I agree with you about the black looking nicer than the stainless panels in your kitchen but My Mother in Law loves the look of hers with the stainless panels.

And about that 24 series machine, My Aunt wanted one badly to replace her 21 machine and was thrilled with her machine when she got it until she tried to load it like the 21..Well we all now that would not happen with the whirlpool clone..she made me bring her 21 racks back to her house and see if they would fit the 24. I knew they wouldnt but had to prove it to her. She was very disappointed but still has the machine and it has been pretty trouble free so far after all these years!
But then again it also had the Power module pump and not the 1/5 hp pump they use now!
 
Congratulations on your new treasure!
I had the 21 series and it had orange display lighting. I loved the 22's blue display. The 21 went to friends in Florida and the 22 went to my sister and brother-in-law for an anniversary present. Sis & hubby's realtor showed the house before he switched out the KA so it went with the house, but it was old enough for the electronics to start going and made the kitchen look smart so no loss. I am spoiled to my modified 18s, but am looking forward to trying out the Maytag tall tub I have lined up. It has the Insta-Wash and High Temp Wash pads. It needs a new board, but it's only around $100 our cost. Making it a portable will be interesting.
 
KA vs. GE Tall Tub 9800

A friend of mine had asked me how I like the KA Superba as opposed to the GE tall tub that is currently sitting in my garage. (The GE was suffering from a sticky drain valve, which caused a build up of crap in the filter when the valve flapper wouldn't pop open all the way, and sometimes, the machine just wouldn't drain. Today, I took it all apart and fixed it with a $4 replacement valve flapper, so it's working fine again and ready to go back to work.

I was very surprised to find, after 2 months with the KA now, that overall, the GE is a better dishwasher. (I know - blasphemy!) But it does clean better and believe it or not (I had a hard time with this one), it does it in less time. It also dries far better than the KA...might be the stainless interior. I have never used the heated dry cycle on the GE, but do often on the KA. And I have never used JetDri in the GE. The KA doesn't dry plastics well at all, the GE has no problem with them. The GE will clean things like a pot and dishes with stuck on oatmeal on its Normal cycle. The KA needs Soak and Scrub to do it. The GE's Normal cycle is 45 minutes long (no drying phase) and will extend to 60 minutes for extreme soil, but it seens to take a lot for the sensor to trigger that extra time. The KA takes over 80 minutes, including the water heating phase and drying phase (you can cancel the drying phase once the wash cycle is finished, but you can't eliminate it). The GE doesn't need the drying phase to dry the dishes. Just open the door, and they're done. The KA lacks a top wash arm, so it sometimes leaves yibbles and such on the top of tall glasses and pots loaded in the upper rack, especially when washing really big loads. I never have that problem with the GE unless you block that upper wash arm.

The thing I think that hinders the KA is the fact that it's main wash cycle is a very short 7 minutes and it only rinses once. Both the 21 and 23 Superbas had much longer main washes (about 20 minutes). The 22, for some reason, was shortened. This may just not be sufficient time for enzymes to work properly. Today, I washed a load of dishes that contained 4 knives that were coated with peanut butter. Normal cycle. It did ok, it didn't remove all of it as completely as the GE does. It was necessary to clean a couple of the knives when they came out. I have no doubt that Soak and Scrub would have done the job though.

The main benefits of the GE over the KA is the fact that it's a tall tub. Things like cutting boards, sautee pans, platters, and my wine glasses just don't fit easily in the KA. My wine glasses don't fit at all, regardless of how you adjust the racks. They all fit together fine in the GE.

Now that's not to say that the KA doesn't have it's charms. It certainly does! It makes beautiful sounds and it does wash fairly well. But it can be heard in the living room with the TV on, while the GE is barely audible standing in the kitchen.

I was very surprised with the results. I expected when I got the KA that it would outperform the GE, but that just wasn't the case. The GE has really turned out to be a terrific dishwasher.
 
Funny you should mention the GE drain flapper. KitchenAid no longer sells the flapper used in the drain valves of the non-reversing motor machines, so we buy the little GE rubber piece to keep the older KAs in operation.

The time wasted heating water to throw against cold dishes, the yibbles and the poor rinsing were some of the reasons I did not keep these beautiful machines. They looked so perfect when you opened the door. Then there was the problem with the vinyl coating failing on the side rails on the upper racks in the 21 series.

I think another factor in the cleaning difference between the KA and your GE is that in most construction in Florida, the water pipes are in the concrete slab. The hot water cools quickly when it sits in the pipes. The GE actively heats its long main wash. The KA heats its main wash, but there is no thermal hold in the normal cycle and, like you said, it is a shorter wash period. Neither wash in the 21 or 22 series is really hot unless you purge the hot water line before the main wash and have the water heater set above 140.
 
The left side of my upper rack looks the same way...just peeling apart at the rail.

Today, I went to the grocery store and bought a box of Finish, since it contains chlorine bleach and is more like the detergents that were available when this machine was designed and built. It's running right now, and the smell from the detergent is very potent. It's got some nasty pots and pans in there, and a bunch of glasses and glass measuring cups. I'm going to see how it does with Finish as opposed to the Cascade Complete and WalMart GV enzyme detergents.

I will say one thing I've noticed since I installed the KitchenAid....you go through detergent very quickly! A box with the GE lasts about twice as long because you use about half as much.

Tom, in my house here in Florida, I have my plumbing running overhead through the attic, and even still, the GE heats the water to about 144 degrees in the Normal wash cycle as opposed to the KA's max temp of 135 - 137 degrees that I have been able to measure (by the final rinse)...and that's on the Soak and Scrub cycle. And with the GE, I never purge the pipes before washing - just turn it on, it does the rest. I always purge with the KA since it takes a good minute to get real hot water at the kitchen sink. Throwing hot water at cold dishes is exactly the issue!!

They are truly classic machines, with timeless looks. Even at almost 20 years old, it looks so at home in my new kitchen....not out of place at all. Reliable as they come. But it just doesn't stack up to the GE in overall performance.
 
The upper racks are pricey, but I believe they are still available at RepairClinic.com. Last I checked, they still had them. They came stripped down or complete (with or without the upper wash arm assembly and china guard). Not sure they still have, it's been a while since I looked.

SteveT might also be able to give insight on their availability for anyone who needs to replace their racks, since he's our resident Hobart guy!
 
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