Kitchenaid!

[peteski50]

first load

I just got back from Moms - she agreed to try out the new KDFE104HWH and insisted on almost washing everything first! cant argue with her she is almost 86 and a leopard don't change its spots! we ran it on express cycle with heat dry! It took less than a hour to wash and I left when it was in the dry portion of the cycle! It is a very quiet unit and I could hear the wash arms reverse and briefly pause! I would like to give it a real test run but she would never allow that! It is a nice dishwasher!

 

[appnut]

Now you know how I felt with my mom.  She saw me use what was the equivalent to a GSD940 when I built my house in 1985.  She said none of what I was putting it would get clean.  Potscrubbered and she was impressed.  Then after moving here and knowing the Hotpoint Potwasher just a wimpy imitation of a real GE, I got the GSD1200 May 1987.  She was amazed and impressed everything I threw at it.  She was chomping at the bit to replace the 1974 Rotorack. So they went in got a GSD1200 just because I had one.  All she every used on it was Energy Saver or China Chrystal from the time it was installed until they moved out of the house in 2002.  This is the same woman who went from a 1954 TimeLine gas dryer and 1956 GE 9-10 pound top loader to a Norge15 washer December 1963/1964.  Of course I was obligated to do full loads and had to dry 2 loads in the dryer.  Rule was no more than 45 minutes dry.  February 1964/1965 the match to the DispesoMat washer arrived--The Wrinkle Out dryer with what I now know had the modulating gas burner.  So now we had a dryer that could handle washer size loads.  Same rule, no more than 45 minutes dry.  (Mind you the dryer has automatic regular and automatic wash'n'wear dry cycles).  She never used those all the way through.  With thatmuch bigger load, it didn't dry fully after 45 minutes.  Laundry would be strewn over lamps, chairs, you name it for it to finish drying.  When I did laundry, I'd always used the auto dry cycles.  Regular full loads took about 55 to 60 minutes to dry.  She'd use the Wash'n'Wear dry cycle part way through to dry and then switch over to the end of timed dry.  She didn't use auto dry cycles on that dryer nor the BigLoad GE dryer acquired in 1978.  And I kept extoling auto dry.  It wasn't until she got basically the same Maytag Dependable Care dryer with electronic control dry that she began using auto dry.  Either her friends heard they used those cycles or she heard it on tv or radio it was more efficient to use auto dry cycles. 

 

[mark_wpduet]

Question

I've never used the quick wash using my Maytag. If your mom uses pods or tabs, is that express wash long enough to dissolve them, or should she be using a different type if using that quick cycle?

 

[peteski50]

Kitchen Aid!

the express cycle is about 1 hour so that is not so express! she used a cascade pod yesterday and I think it dissolved! now even these quick cycles are even long!

 

[appnut]

Yes Mark they do.

 

[appnut]

Express not so express

Peter I'm going disagree with you.  My previous Kenmore Elite TT Quick Wash cycle was 30 minutes.  In the 8 years I had that dishwasher, I'm not sure I used that cycle even 10 times, much less 5.  It as totally useless.  It didn't even have a heated dry option.  The final rinse was 10 minutes at most.  Hardly any time to heat water.  The current 1 hour wash cycle has about the same as the 30 minute for main wash, 15-18 minutes.  The 30 minute cycle post wash rinse was a 15 second purge.  With express I get a prewash, rinse, main wash, and two full post wash rinses.  The final rinse is 20 minutes long, long enough to heat the water at least 10 degrees.  I think the 1 hour wash cycle fits the majority of Americans' household habits since most prewash their dishes.  And Express does a really nice job on lots of soils. 

 

[mark_wpduet]

I think the next full load

I'm going to try the quick wash on my maytag- but the option I usually use is just over 90 min's so it's not that bad at all. I've always felt like it would be useless since I don't pre-rinse.

 

[peteski50]

Quick wash!

Mark how old is your Maytag? My Aunt has a Maytag that is 4 years old and she always uses Quick but she does prerinse!

 

[henene4]

Whirlpool 1h cycles

Whirlpool did a lot of work to get 1h cycles on every appliance over here and most of them are decent.

Washers have a 1h mixed cycle for a partial load. Derived from the old US Duets normal cycle, it is 1h long, 25min timed prewash, 2 rinses with spins and a 10min final spin.
For our EU cold fill only machines, this cycle is ok for slightly soiled loads as 25min is often barely enough to get a warm wash.

Dryers have a matching mixed cycle which defaults to 1h but changes according to sensing. Drys pretty ok.

On DW, we do have a 1h wash as well.

With the typical US hot water connection, that cycle will be pretty effective, especially given it uses almost 30l (10gal) of water.

Probably starts with a high fill level, heated 5min prewash.
Drain, high fill, start wash, dispense detergent immediatly, start heating immediatly. Given typical heating rates, the temperature should climb 1F per minute. With a 20-25min wash, we should get to 140F no problem.
Then drain, refill for interim rinse which will be heated as well.
After 5min, drain, fill for final rinse. That should have about 25-30min for heating to a proper 150F-160F which should be enough to flash dry most of the load.

All with lots of water and - where applicable - high pressure.

 

[mark_wpduet]

My Maytag was

4 yrs old last month. lol

 

[mark_wpduet]

OK

remind me NEVER to use quick wash on my Maytag. I swear it only ran for 30 minutes, maybe 45 AT MOST. I was too lazy to find the manual to see how long it was, but it was no hour, that's for sure. I mean, it didn't do a horrible job, most everything was clean. But definitely not as clean as when I just use the normal cycle with hi-temp which runs about 90 to 100 min's

 

[appnut]

Mark, your generation dishwasher was on the cusp where they redesigned the cycles.  So yours falls in to my old TT Kenmore Elite, just a 30 minute quick wash and probably no heated dry option.  I believe the current Maytag dishwashers are the 1 hour variety.  But you tried it.  That's what counts.  You could have looked up the manual on Maytag's website.  

 

[mark_wpduet]

Ahhh ok

Yep , I tried it. Never again tho. LOL

 

[peteski50]

Maytag quick!

My Aunt has the Maytag and is about 4 years old she always uses quick cycle which is about 1 hour - but she rinses everything first! My Mom washes everything first so the Express cycle on the KA will be fine for her!

 

[johnb300m]

Yeahhhh...
Those 30min. cycles on those earlier generation machines were really for lightly soiled, partial loads of mostly glasses, which were needed quickly. Like if you ran out of cups for a party.

The newer 1hr wash on the current WP platform seems programmed to really handle dirtier dishes, in a still pretty good time frame. Including dry.

 

[thomasortega]

My Kenmore has that 1 hour "quick?" cycle and all I can say is I LOVE IT!

Pods surely dissolve perfectly.