Laundy in Slovenia
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dj-gabriele
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Oh I love the sight of Italian Dash! That's my favourite detergent ever! The adverts are so true, nothing washes wither!
And your machine looks so neat! Gorenje sure makes some interesting appliances.
And your machine looks so neat! Gorenje sure makes some interesting appliances.
newwave1
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Awesome machine Gorenje!
I love these machines, i'd love to see a pic of it during the rinse! I love some of the features these machines have!
How long have you had the machine & do you like it?
Darren
I love these machines, i'd love to see a pic of it during the rinse! I love some of the features these machines have!
How long have you had the machine & do you like it?
Darren
toggleswitch
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Lovely machines!
I like to see all Euro products! Even the heating radiator is different to us!
Is that *GASP* a dryer fabric softner sheet in that gorgeous dryer?
Thank you for posting this. What is hard-wired/ directly-wired (i.e. no outlet/power-point and plug/flex-cord connection) to the left of the washer?
I like to see all Euro products! Even the heating radiator is different to us!
Is that *GASP* a dryer fabric softner sheet in that gorgeous dryer?
Thank you for posting this. What is hard-wired/ directly-wired (i.e. no outlet/power-point and plug/flex-cord connection) to the left of the washer?
Hi Gabriele, yes Dash is really the best detergent, especially for whites. I think Dash is in Italy as Tide in the USA. (and indeed it's made by the same company) Here in Slovenia it's a bit expensive and not available everywhere. Ciao 
Hi Darren, I'm glad you like these machines. I will post some more pics and maybe a video. The washer is two and a half years old. I like it very much 'cos you are able to change and customize the programs, you can increase the water level, add rinses or use the water clear sensor, delay the start. I like it also because you can use the automatic soak (from 1 to 6 hours). I dont like that sometimes it takes too much time to go into the spin cycle. (because of the balance sensor)
Hi Steve, yes it's always interesting too see something new and something different. For me is the same when I look to the american products. ha ha, yes you're right that's some dryer sheets from the previouse drying. I now it sounds strange but I leave it for a while in the drum because it still smels good. Sometimes I leave the entire box of sheets inside the drum. The washer is directly-wired. This is very common here in Slovenia for washers, dryers, dishwashers, electric boilers. I don't know why, it always was so.
Ingemar
Hi Steve, yes it's always interesting too see something new and something different. For me is the same when I look to the american products.
ha ha, yes you're right that's some dryer sheets from the previouse drying. I now it sounds strange but I leave it for a while in the drum because it still smels good. Sometimes I leave the entire box of sheets inside the drum. The washer is directly-wired. This is very common here in Slovenia for washers, dryers, dishwashers, electric boilers. I don't know why, it always was so.Ingemar
toggleswitch
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Hi Ingemar:
In 220v lands my understanding is that there are few (if any) outlet configurations for amperages above a certain level; therefore many items are hard-wired. I just never expected it of washers. I am guessing some countries require cut-off switches near such appliances such as the need for switches near cookers (also hard-wired)in the UK.
Thank you for your response and the information!
Best regards,
-Steve
In 220v lands my understanding is that there are few (if any) outlet configurations for amperages above a certain level; therefore many items are hard-wired. I just never expected it of washers. I am guessing some countries require cut-off switches near such appliances such as the need for switches near cookers (also hard-wired)in the UK.
Thank you for your response and the information!
Best regards,
-Steve
lavamat78800
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Hey Ingemar,
great washing machine and dryer!
I always thought Gorenje would be a low class modell-but I think I´m worng...somebody told me that they would be compareable with Bosch/Siemens and Bosch/Siemens produce great machines..I´ve a Bosch dishwasher and it´s terrific
I think I saw your machine at MediaStore..am I right, that your machine shows the amount of water it will use for the cycle in the display!?
great washing machine and dryer!
I always thought Gorenje would be a low class modell-but I think I´m worng...somebody told me that they would be compareable with Bosch/Siemens and Bosch/Siemens produce great machines..I´ve a Bosch dishwasher and it´s terrific
I think I saw your machine at MediaStore..am I right, that your machine shows the amount of water it will use for the cycle in the display!?
European plugs / sockets
The majority of European countries use the CEE 7/7 grounded plug. This is a 2-pin plug with a scraping earth contact. It's rated for up to 16A at 230V.
Many former Eastern Bloc countries used GOST (Russian) standards which have an almost identical plug (based on common pre WWII German ancestor) but it is only rated for 10 amps max.
This could explain why the Slovenian set up hardwires the washing machine and dryer.
Although, almost all of the formerly Eastern Bloc countries are moving to normal CEE standards, so new installations would be 16 Amp socket outlets.
The UK, Ireland, Italy, Switzerland and Denmark are the major exceptions.
The UK and Ireland use a completely different plug known as BS1363. This has 3 rectangular pins and, due to the ring circuit wiring used in the UK, every plug is individually fused. When connected to a ring circuit, the plug fuse provides the primary over current protection while the breaker is rated 32amps and is only designed to protect the house wiring.
These plugs carry up to 13 amps depending on the type of fuse inserted.
Italy uses a 3 pin plug with all 3 pins in a row. These are rated up to 16 amps.
Switzerland's plug is similar with the earth pin slightly out of line with the live and neutral. These are also only rated 10amps
Denmark uses a plug that is very like CEE 7/7 except that it uses a 3rd pin for grounding. This setup has proven to be quite dangerous as a Danish outlet can accept a standard European CEE 7/7 plug but will not make a ground connection!!
As a result, Denmark's now phasing them out in favour of the French socket system which complies with CEE 7/7.
It's not as complicated as it sounds!!
Below is the de facto standard CEE 7/7 plug that works in the vast majority of EU countries:
1 = socket outlet recessed to prevent any contact with the pins while you're inserting the plug (it's totally impossible to touch the pins)
2 = Grounding contact
3 = Line/Neutral pins
4 = Guide groves to make it easier to insert and support heavier plugs (transformers etc)
The majority of European countries use the CEE 7/7 grounded plug. This is a 2-pin plug with a scraping earth contact. It's rated for up to 16A at 230V.
Many former Eastern Bloc countries used GOST (Russian) standards which have an almost identical plug (based on common pre WWII German ancestor) but it is only rated for 10 amps max.
This could explain why the Slovenian set up hardwires the washing machine and dryer.
Although, almost all of the formerly Eastern Bloc countries are moving to normal CEE standards, so new installations would be 16 Amp socket outlets.
The UK, Ireland, Italy, Switzerland and Denmark are the major exceptions.
The UK and Ireland use a completely different plug known as BS1363. This has 3 rectangular pins and, due to the ring circuit wiring used in the UK, every plug is individually fused. When connected to a ring circuit, the plug fuse provides the primary over current protection while the breaker is rated 32amps and is only designed to protect the house wiring.
These plugs carry up to 13 amps depending on the type of fuse inserted.
Italy uses a 3 pin plug with all 3 pins in a row. These are rated up to 16 amps.
Switzerland's plug is similar with the earth pin slightly out of line with the live and neutral. These are also only rated 10amps
Denmark uses a plug that is very like CEE 7/7 except that it uses a 3rd pin for grounding. This setup has proven to be quite dangerous as a Danish outlet can accept a standard European CEE 7/7 plug but will not make a ground connection!!
As a result, Denmark's now phasing them out in favour of the French socket system which complies with CEE 7/7.
It's not as complicated as it sounds!!
Below is the de facto standard CEE 7/7 plug that works in the vast majority of EU countries:
1 = socket outlet recessed to prevent any contact with the pins while you're inserting the plug (it's totally impossible to touch the pins)
2 = Grounding contact
3 = Line/Neutral pins
4 = Guide groves to make it easier to insert and support heavier plugs (transformers etc)
The CEE 7/7 plug
The standard European CEE 7/7 plug (the default standard for quite a long time) has both the scraping German style and pin receptacle French style ground contacts.
This is fitted to any appliance you buy in CEE 7/7 countries.
The standard European CEE 7/7 plug (the default standard for quite a long time) has both the scraping German style and pin receptacle French style ground contacts.
This is fitted to any appliance you buy in CEE 7/7 countries.
The UK and Ireland Outlet
Here's what's used in the UK and Ireland.
Ground on top
Neutral on Left
Live on Right
13 Amps 230V
Most of them have switches, although there's no requirement to.
Also, they're all shuttered. (Same with the French ones). So you can't insert anything other than a plug.
Here's what's used in the UK and Ireland.
Ground on top
Neutral on Left
Live on Right
13 Amps 230V
Most of them have switches, although there's no requirement to.
Also, they're all shuttered. (Same with the French ones). So you can't insert anything other than a plug.
Comparison
Left to Right:
Grounded 16A CEE 7/7 (continental EU)
Grounded 13A BS1363 (UK & Ireland)
Ungrounded 15A US NEMA plug (USA/Canada small appliances)
Note: there is no 2 ungrounded version of the UK/Ireland plug!!
and the red panel is the fuse holder - you can remove this to replace the fuse.
There's a smaller non-grounded Europlug for small appliances, it's similar in size to a US plug.
Left to Right:
Grounded 16A CEE 7/7 (continental EU)
Grounded 13A BS1363 (UK & Ireland)
Ungrounded 15A US NEMA plug (USA/Canada small appliances)
Note: there is no 2 ungrounded version of the UK/Ireland plug!!
and the red panel is the fuse holder - you can remove this to replace the fuse.
There's a smaller non-grounded Europlug for small appliances, it's similar in size to a US plug.
Finally! The smaller non-grounded European plug
This is the CEE 7/16 "Europlug" which is used for small appliances with a maximum rating of 2.5 amps. You'll find it on things like radios, audio equipment, small televisions, toothbrush chargers, mobile phone chargers etc etc..
This plug fits *ALL* European outlets (Except the UK/Ireland where a small adaptor is needed). So, for most small appliances even in the "awkward nations" it's quite easy to stay connected.
See picture below of CEE 7/16 with a standard "Figure of 8" connector on the other end.
This is the CEE 7/16 "Europlug" which is used for small appliances with a maximum rating of 2.5 amps. You'll find it on things like radios, audio equipment, small televisions, toothbrush chargers, mobile phone chargers etc etc..
This plug fits *ALL* European outlets (Except the UK/Ireland where a small adaptor is needed). So, for most small appliances even in the "awkward nations" it's quite easy to stay connected.
See picture below of CEE 7/16 with a standard "Figure of 8" connector on the other end.
Hard wiring
Here in the Netherlands hard wiring is required for washing machines placed in bathrooms etc. No sockets other than special shaving sockets are allowed in such rooms. The wiring connector box is usually located out of reach and has a two-pole switch that can be operated by pulling a rope. The electrical cord should be installed such that it cannot touch the floor.
Here in the Netherlands hard wiring is required for washing machines placed in bathrooms etc. No sockets other than special shaving sockets are allowed in such rooms. The wiring connector box is usually located out of reach and has a two-pole switch that can be operated by pulling a rope. The electrical cord should be installed such that it cannot touch the floor.
Hello people, tkanks for all these explanations. Here we can learn a lot of interesting things. Now I know why some plugs have a "hole". That's for the protruding pin for the french standards. My appartment have almost three years but I noticed that in some new appartments there are no more hard-wiring boxes, but standard plugs, probably or quite sure because of the European standards.
Hi Nino and thanks! Yes Bosch and Siemens are great appliances. I am very happy with my Bosch dryer and dishwasher. My grandmother have a Siemens dishwasher and a 18 years old Siemens washing machine. The washer can't hide the years, especially during the spin cycle, but is stil going
I know that some Bosch products are made by gorenje and some gorenje dishwashers are made by Bosch. Yes you are right, my washer shows the water usage per load on the display. Bye, Ingemar
I know that some Bosch products are made by gorenje and some gorenje dishwashers are made by Bosch. Yes you are right, my washer shows the water usage per load on the display. Bye, Ingemar
Ingemar
Great machines you have there, I find those Gorenje washing machines quite intrigueing with all those features. Overhere in the Netherlands you hardly see them though, it's been ages that I saw one in an appliance store.
Great machines you have there, I find those Gorenje washing machines quite intrigueing with all those features. Overhere in the Netherlands you hardly see them though, it's been ages that I saw one in an appliance store.
Now we're talking electric connections..
I'll tell you a bit about my set up. I have two washers and two dryers connected to one connector box. This connector box was originally meant for hooking up one washer and one dryer, but I did it a bit differently. Instead of connecting the machines directly I connected two automatic switch boxes to it, for each set one. These switch boxes are used for a washer and dryer set. When the washer draws a lot of power when it's heating it automatically shuts off the dryer until the heating is done. Then it lets the dryer to continue. Here's a picture of one of those automatic switch boxes.
I'll tell you a bit about my set up. I have two washers and two dryers connected to one connector box. This connector box was originally meant for hooking up one washer and one dryer, but I did it a bit differently. Instead of connecting the machines directly I connected two automatic switch boxes to it, for each set one. These switch boxes are used for a washer and dryer set. When the washer draws a lot of power when it's heating it automatically shuts off the dryer until the heating is done. Then it lets the dryer to continue. Here's a picture of one of those automatic switch boxes.
These two switch boxes are both connected to a connector box (wasmachineschakelaar as Theo said). Instead of choosing between washer or dryer I use this box for choosing between the AEG set (W) or the Miele set (D). I find this very convenient.
Washing machines and dryers in Ireland are normally just plugged in with a BS1363 (IS401) 13amp plug the same as any other appliance. Our sockets generally don't use 32amp ring circuits like the UK, rather they're connected to 20amp radials. A laundry room or kitchen would typically be supplied with several of these circuits to allow all machines to operate simultaneously.
If the machines are built in, they normally have their plugs located in a position where they can be easily accessed to disconnect them. Otherwise, they need to be connected via a double-pole switch, or be placed on a dedicated circuit that can be easily isolated at the circuit breaker.
Also, all socket outlets (less than 32 amps) are required to be connected to an RCD (GFCI) since the late 1970s.
For very large capacity dryers, they are directly connected to a 20amp or 32amp dedicated radial circuits. In this case, they would have a double-pole switch located near by. The wiring rules in this case would be similar to an electric shower or water heater i.e. local isolating double pole switch on a dedicated circuit with an RCD/MCB.
If the machines are built in, they normally have their plugs located in a position where they can be easily accessed to disconnect them. Otherwise, they need to be connected via a double-pole switch, or be placed on a dedicated circuit that can be easily isolated at the circuit breaker.
Also, all socket outlets (less than 32 amps) are required to be connected to an RCD (GFCI) since the late 1970s.
For very large capacity dryers, they are directly connected to a 20amp or 32amp dedicated radial circuits. In this case, they would have a double-pole switch located near by. The wiring rules in this case would be similar to an electric shower or water heater i.e. local isolating double pole switch on a dedicated circuit with an RCD/MCB.
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