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autowasherfreak
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Ok, second time I'm glad the Super forum isn't archived.
Seriously, what if half the people in this video had been women, and it had no audio track?
How many gay people equate their love to devil worship?
The song may be about being gay, the video is pure gay bashing trash. When we read stories like what Lithuania did yesterday, and ask why, we can thank crap like this from Rammstein.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/lithuania-anti-gay-law-pr_n_233654.html
Ok, second time I'm glad the Super forum isn't archived.
Seriously, what if half the people in this video had been women, and it had no audio track?
How many gay people equate their love to devil worship?
The song may be about being gay, the video is pure gay bashing trash. When we read stories like what Lithuania did yesterday, and ask why, we can thank crap like this from Rammstein.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/lithuania-anti-gay-law-pr_n_233654.html
paulc
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Ive seen Zoe LIVE!!!!!! she was truly amazing!!!
Ive seen Zoe LIVE!!!!!! she was truly amazing!!!
G'day Jeff
Firstly - there is absolutely NO devil worship going on in the video. The snake tongue at the end of the clip - if that is what triggered your devil worship response - is about how men often lie about their sexuality and true feelings for each other. The imagery in that clip is no more confronting than what you would see on regular every-day television. You do not see genitals, kissing, penetration, physical violence, blood or anything else that would take this beyond a PG rating. All you see are oiled-up naked men playing instruments and writhing around on the floor - they could be wrestling each other ;0). Oh, and towards the end the lead singer pulls his hair out (not his Johnson - he does that in another performance, but that's another story).
The lyrics of the song are quite beautiful and there is absolutely nothing derogatory or denigrading about homosexuality in any of it. The imagery is ultra-masculine (it is about men) and thus in line with the context of this performance. There is nothing pretty or dainty or metrosexual here, it wouldn't fit the music anyway.
What I have learnt in life Jeff is that misunderstandings occur, because most people don't really look very hard, nor listen terribly well, rarely bother to go beyond first impressions and always project whatever is in their own befuddled minds onto everything and everyone around them.
take care
rapunzel
Firstly - there is absolutely NO devil worship going on in the video. The snake tongue at the end of the clip - if that is what triggered your devil worship response - is about how men often lie about their sexuality and true feelings for each other. The imagery in that clip is no more confronting than what you would see on regular every-day television. You do not see genitals, kissing, penetration, physical violence, blood or anything else that would take this beyond a PG rating. All you see are oiled-up naked men playing instruments and writhing around on the floor - they could be wrestling each other ;0). Oh, and towards the end the lead singer pulls his hair out (not his Johnson - he does that in another performance, but that's another story).
The lyrics of the song are quite beautiful and there is absolutely nothing derogatory or denigrading about homosexuality in any of it. The imagery is ultra-masculine (it is about men) and thus in line with the context of this performance. There is nothing pretty or dainty or metrosexual here, it wouldn't fit the music anyway.
What I have learnt in life Jeff is that misunderstandings occur, because most people don't really look very hard, nor listen terribly well, rarely bother to go beyond first impressions and always project whatever is in their own befuddled minds onto everything and everyone around them.
take care
rapunzel
One other point to Rapunzel.. I grew up in L.A. and I'm about the furthest thing from a prude that you can possibly imagine. I wasn't shocked or even challenged by this video, which -- giving Rammstein the benefit of the doubt here -- may have been the reactions the group was aiming for.
I remember back in 1983, sitting in my living room at 1:30AM, watching the best music video program that ever existed ("Goodnight L.A." on ABC-TV). And on comes the original "Relax" video from Frankie Goes To Hollywood, which takes place in a gay S&M bar.
This single 4-minute video set the gay rights movement back at least ten years. ABC received tens of thousands of complaints.
The issue isn't whether Rammstein has a right to artistic expression. Of course they do. The question I have is, what's the point of linking homosexuality with things like men with snake toungues and black angels? To whom is that particular message addressed to?
I remember back in 1983, sitting in my living room at 1:30AM, watching the best music video program that ever existed ("Goodnight L.A." on ABC-TV). And on comes the original "Relax" video from Frankie Goes To Hollywood, which takes place in a gay S&M bar.
This single 4-minute video set the gay rights movement back at least ten years. ABC received tens of thousands of complaints.
The issue isn't whether Rammstein has a right to artistic expression. Of course they do. The question I have is, what's the point of linking homosexuality with things like men with snake toungues and black angels? To whom is that particular message addressed to?
djmjlcst
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One of my all time faves.....
Here's a fave from summer of 1975. It's 10cc "I'm Not In Love" Many times covered by other artists, but here's the original.
Mike L.
Here's a fave from summer of 1975. It's 10cc "I'm Not In Love" Many times covered by other artists, but here's the original.
Mike L.
'Rapunzel, I defy you or anyone to watch this video'
Defy away Jeff - What I said before is not a moot point. The fact is that there is NO devil worship going on in that video. Might it not be possible that the black angel could be interpreted as a metaphor for something other than devil worship?
As far as the 'Frankie Goes To Hollywood' clip is concerned, it caused absolutely no issue to the 'gay' cause in Australia or Europe. I also seriously doubt that it had any real effect on the 'cause' in the US, apart from getting the usual responses from the usual mob, that usually hasn't anything worthwhile to say anyway.
Another life lesson I've learnt - stand in the same spot long enough and someone will eventually take exception to you being there - that's simply the nature of the human condition.
For your personal enjoyment I have attached the clip in question. Not that it really shows anything particularly outrageous. I've been to straight bucks nights and office christmas parties where some people were doing a lot more than wave their arms around in the air and roll around on the floor.
cheers
rapunzel
Defy away Jeff - What I said before is not a moot point. The fact is that there is NO devil worship going on in that video. Might it not be possible that the black angel could be interpreted as a metaphor for something other than devil worship?
As far as the 'Frankie Goes To Hollywood' clip is concerned, it caused absolutely no issue to the 'gay' cause in Australia or Europe. I also seriously doubt that it had any real effect on the 'cause' in the US, apart from getting the usual responses from the usual mob, that usually hasn't anything worthwhile to say anyway.
Another life lesson I've learnt - stand in the same spot long enough and someone will eventually take exception to you being there - that's simply the nature of the human condition.
For your personal enjoyment I have attached the clip in question. Not that it really shows anything particularly outrageous. I've been to straight bucks nights and office christmas parties where some people were doing a lot more than wave their arms around in the air and roll around on the floor.
cheers
rapunzel
Rapunzel, you're just being stubborn. What else could a black angel be a metaphor for?
Your earlier claim about the guy with a snake tongue is equally as ridiculous.
These are direct references to satanism, and if you simply refuse to admit it, nothing anyone says here is likely to change that.
As far as the Relax video goes, damage control was better in places like Britain, because it was banned immediately on release. Not many people saw it over there at the time, unlike here in the U.S.
Your earlier claim about the guy with a snake tongue is equally as ridiculous.
These are direct references to satanism, and if you simply refuse to admit it, nothing anyone says here is likely to change that.
As far as the Relax video goes, damage control was better in places like Britain, because it was banned immediately on release. Not many people saw it over there at the time, unlike here in the U.S.
djmjlcst
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"I'm Not In Love" Re-Recorded
Hi JeffG,
That version of "I'm Not In Love" that you highlighted is the acoustic version released in 1995 as a single pulled from a radio program that Eric Stewart and Graham Gouldman appeared for promoting their album "Mirror Mirror". The record company suggested they release that version as a single. If you really want to hear the bossa nova version, you'll need to get Eric Stewart's "Do Not Bend" album (with the bonus CD) - you'll hear it as he re-recorded it in a bossa nova style. - Mike L.
Hi JeffG,
That version of "I'm Not In Love" that you highlighted is the acoustic version released in 1995 as a single pulled from a radio program that Eric Stewart and Graham Gouldman appeared for promoting their album "Mirror Mirror". The record company suggested they release that version as a single. If you really want to hear the bossa nova version, you'll need to get Eric Stewart's "Do Not Bend" album (with the bonus CD) - you'll hear it as he re-recorded it in a bossa nova style. - Mike L.
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