mrb627
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Malcolm
Malcolm
LG Flagship TL Fail
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The only thing it fails at is blood. Which (according to my maths, having transfered these grades to my German grade system) pulls down the averade to 2.6, which indeed is just about a C+, but not bad by any mean, especially with them not stateing which cycle they used.
Further, somehow this array of stains and the scores tells me this washer uses pretty hot water: While all other stain types only take advantage by hot water, blood stains are prone to settle in due to proteins in the blood denaturing (the same that happens to eggs if you boil them). This process starts at somewhere around 110°F for blood.
Further, somehow this array of stains and the scores tells me this washer uses pretty hot water: While all other stain types only take advantage by hot water, blood stains are prone to settle in due to proteins in the blood denaturing (the same that happens to eggs if you boil them). This process starts at somewhere around 110°F for blood.
For reference:
When sorted by washing/cleaning performance, LG's WT7700 gets a rating of Very Good and ranks sixteenth in Consumer Reports's current list of 46 tested HE top-loaders. Two of the 46 rank Excellent in cleaning, 31 Very Good, and 13 Good, Fair or Poor. The top-scoring HE toploader received a total score of 73.
For comparison:
When sorted by washing/cleaning performance, 27 of 44 tested front-loaders (all HE, naturally) received a rating of Excellent in cleaning; 11 Very Good; 6 Good. The top-scoring front-loader received a total score of 85.
Remember that there is a 20-point spread within each of their five rating designations (Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, Poor).
The fact that machines can be sorted by washing performance means CR does, indeed, give each machine a hard number to rank cleaning performance. I wish they'd provide us that number rather than the vague Excellent, Very Good, etc. designation.
Personally, I would only purchase a washer or dishwasher that ranks Excellent in cleaning.[this post was last edited: 3/24/2016-20:03]
When sorted by washing/cleaning performance, LG's WT7700 gets a rating of Very Good and ranks sixteenth in Consumer Reports's current list of 46 tested HE top-loaders. Two of the 46 rank Excellent in cleaning, 31 Very Good, and 13 Good, Fair or Poor. The top-scoring HE toploader received a total score of 73.
For comparison:
When sorted by washing/cleaning performance, 27 of 44 tested front-loaders (all HE, naturally) received a rating of Excellent in cleaning; 11 Very Good; 6 Good. The top-scoring front-loader received a total score of 85.
Remember that there is a 20-point spread within each of their five rating designations (Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, Poor).
The fact that machines can be sorted by washing performance means CR does, indeed, give each machine a hard number to rank cleaning performance. I wish they'd provide us that number rather than the vague Excellent, Very Good, etc. designation.
Personally, I would only purchase a washer or dishwasher that ranks Excellent in cleaning.[this post was last edited: 3/24/2016-20:03]
Someone in my family has this LG top load, and we have been very impressed with it's function and ability to clean. It has a very versatile array of selections, uses more water when necessary, and turnover that I have seen even on the fullest loads is very good. Extraction is excellent. There has been no problem with stain removal either on any of the items. This is just my opinion coming from someone who has liked 'traditional' top loaders I was really surprised at how much I was impressed by the function of this new HE top loader. I don't believe everything I hear on ratings, as in the past we all know ratings can be misleading. Proof is when you actually are a user of the product.
Blood and Hot Water
Managed to nick myself shaving the other evening, and ended up transferring a dab of blood to my white polo shirt. I did quickly put a droplet or two of water on it, but alas the stain was set by the time it found the washer (F&P FL) a day later with the rest of my whites.
Machine is uses Hot-only fill for 60º or 90º washes, so no doubt the water was already quite warm (heater is at about 130ºF), used a scoop of Bio-Zet detergent and some of the new gold-capped Vanish (oxy. stain remover - as it was a load of whites!) - all came out clean, spare one shirt with a slight tomato stain.
As far as I'm aware, LG machines as a whole do seem to have gotten rave reviews from the members here that have them, so I can't fathom why this one should really be all that different.
Managed to nick myself shaving the other evening, and ended up transferring a dab of blood to my white polo shirt. I did quickly put a droplet or two of water on it, but alas the stain was set by the time it found the washer (F&P FL) a day later with the rest of my whites.
Machine is uses Hot-only fill for 60º or 90º washes, so no doubt the water was already quite warm (heater is at about 130ºF), used a scoop of Bio-Zet detergent and some of the new gold-capped Vanish (oxy. stain remover - as it was a load of whites!) - all came out clean, spare one shirt with a slight tomato stain.
As far as I'm aware, LG machines as a whole do seem to have gotten rave reviews from the members here that have them, so I can't fathom why this one should really be all that different.
Blood is actually verry easy to bleach and Vanish AFAIK is targeted towards medium wash temperartures, so you most likely just bleached the stain, not actually removed it.
I actually get angry watching these stupid top loaders "wash" clothes. The slow dribble of water, the jiggling of the balled up clothes, the clothes never seem to move, all get my blood pressure up. And 1 1/2 hour cycle times. NO thanks. I'll take my 7 year old front loaders anytime!
WOW-you can get an LG washer that oscillates,shakes,and spin splodes your clothes to go along with the LG Piddle-Pee dishwasher!Just what I needed.Think for my clothes will stick with my Hotpoint or Kenmore.Had to ask--does the toy duck and frog come with the LG dishwasher?Just had to ask.They starred in the earlier dishwasher video.Too bad they didn't put the duck and frog in the washer-they might like the ride!
bleach does not just remove the color
Laundress explained this far better than I can, but it's an error to believe that bleach only takes out the color. Reducing agents break bonds and the stain is actually removed, not just made invisible.
Laundress explained this far better than I can, but it's an error to believe that bleach only takes out the color. Reducing agents break bonds and the stain is actually removed, not just made invisible.
It is true that some stains can be broken down by bleach, but blood is surely not one of them.
mark_wpduet
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My cat
accidentally play scratched the back of my neck and I had a small amount of blood on my pillow case...I always heard to put peroxide on blood stains and it works.
accidentally play scratched the back of my neck and I had a small amount of blood on my pillow case...I always heard to put peroxide on blood stains and it works.
peroxide is what we old nurses used on white uniforms back in the day to get blood out.
Before the blood stain is heated beyond the 110F, it is just a usual stain, and thus can be treated a lot of ways without any complication.
Once they have been heated that far, the protein strains in the stain fold and bunch up, creating a mesh kind structure within the fibre, binding the stain to it.
The stain caught in between fibres simply breaks away during washing, but the stain caught within the fibre won't shift anymore.
Once they have been heated that far, the protein strains in the stain fold and bunch up, creating a mesh kind structure within the fibre, binding the stain to it.
The stain caught in between fibres simply breaks away during washing, but the stain caught within the fibre won't shift anymore.
The three videos which Logixx posted make me glad I didn't buy one of these.
Waveforce seemed like an interesting technology to me, but watching the clothes just move back and forth without any rollover nearly makes me sick. I thought the waveforce technology was supposed to force the clothes to rollover when the impeller couldn't do anything, but obviously these videos prove otherwise.
MRB's post does certainly bring forth one very good point. What is the point of having all of this awesome and interesting technology when the machine can't even do the very needed thing that it is supposed to do?
I think if it used considerably more water and had a redesigned impeller with considerably longer vanes, it might have some hope of being a decent machine.
I'm certainly not sold on the idea of HE style top loading washing. LG is doing a good job proving that to me. At least from these videos anyway...
Not to mention, the price on these machines is nuts. For the same price, one could pick up a half decent front loading machine which would work better. (IMHO!)
Waveforce seemed like an interesting technology to me, but watching the clothes just move back and forth without any rollover nearly makes me sick. I thought the waveforce technology was supposed to force the clothes to rollover when the impeller couldn't do anything, but obviously these videos prove otherwise.
MRB's post does certainly bring forth one very good point. What is the point of having all of this awesome and interesting technology when the machine can't even do the very needed thing that it is supposed to do?
I think if it used considerably more water and had a redesigned impeller with considerably longer vanes, it might have some hope of being a decent machine.
I'm certainly not sold on the idea of HE style top loading washing. LG is doing a good job proving that to me. At least from these videos anyway...
Not to mention, the price on these machines is nuts. For the same price, one could pick up a half decent front loading machine which would work better. (IMHO!)
Wave Force spins the entire tub to create waterfalls that cascade over the clothes. This worked well on the first models, if the load had the right size and an appropriate cycle was chosen. Unfortunately, LG reprogrammed their washers and the tub now rarely spins fast enough to create these waterfalls.
These LG washers do a good job of moving the clothes... if the items are fully submerged and the washer is basically no longer an HE model, though. Comforters, of course, just float and need to be manually turned over.
These LG washers do a good job of moving the clothes... if the items are fully submerged and the washer is basically no longer an HE model, though. Comforters, of course, just float and need to be manually turned over.
Here's the Power Cleanse cycle. Lots of agitation - and a water consumption probably higher than any standard top loader.
My Mom bought a G.E. Harmony Washer and Dryer set when they came out in 2004 and not one problem with either ever..I know it's made by L.G. I think but they
are only 4.0 C.F. that thing will fill all the way up and wash like hell. I wonder what gives cause it don't wash like that one at all.. That machine will heat the water and spin at 1100 R.P.M.s.. My Dad still has both of them and they wash and dry great.The clothes roll and boil in that machine when it's turned on super wash..
are only 4.0 C.F. that thing will fill all the way up and wash like hell. I wonder what gives cause it don't wash like that one at all.. That machine will heat the water and spin at 1100 R.P.M.s.. My Dad still has both of them and they wash and dry great.The clothes roll and boil in that machine when it's turned on super wash..
joeypete
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I love the sound of that DD motor spooling up to spin. Cool. ;-)
I remember when my ex and I bought a Maytag Neptune set in 1998. I had never heard a washer sound that way...like an airplane. LOL. Was pretty neat.
I remember when my ex and I bought a Maytag Neptune set in 1998. I had never heard a washer sound that way...like an airplane. LOL. Was pretty neat.
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