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My final thoughts for the night, especially to Bob who has been actively engaged with this conversation for most of the day.

Normal cycle works ok, but something like permanent press works even better for regular laundry. It would seem that more water is used and that warm is actually warm on that cycle. Does the machine's heater engage on permanent press to raise temps to warm, not just tepid? If so, that seems like a win to me. Also, I'm a bit confused as to how rinsing works with Turbowash. On permanent press, I selected an extra rinse, but what exactly does that mean with Turbowash active? Is that one deep rinse, and two sprays? I did not select an extra rinse on towels because it defaults to three, which seemed sufficient to me.

I'd like actual hot water for my towels sometimes as I don't use Tide Professional and also want to make sure the machine stays clean and mold-free. Does whites give me the option for extra hot, which I know is just hot on older machines? Towels only goes up to hot, which I believe is just warm.

Am I on the right track?

For now though, laundry is done for a while, and I'd say the first day was a win. I love the shorter drying times in the dryer, and I can do larger loads than my top loader could tolerate.
 
You can pause the cycle, change wash temp to hot, and heater will come on. But may reach above 100 degrees to 105 by the time wash cycle ends. Remember max temp on hot is 112 degrees. If you want hotter, you have to seleect extra hot on Normal, or Sanitary and lightest soil to erach 130 degrees to 140 degrees. Allergiene will raise temperature to between 160 & 165. [this post was last edited: 12/19/2024-06:23]
 
Congratulations on a new washing machine

Hi Ryne , wow, a new washing machine and a dishwasher all in the same year.

I think you're gonna love having this front load washer. The efficiency gains will slowly take care of the cost paid for it, lots of good advice of not much more to say you can put as much in the machine as will fit or as little usually half full or better is good for these machines

What did you do with the old washer? Are you going to try to fix it after we talked? You said you were able to remove the board from the old one.

Definitely smart to keep the whirlpool dryer, there's really no reason washers and dryer should match. You should always choose the best product when picking appliances.

Good luck with the new washer and dishwasher. I hope you and Stacey have a great holiday.

John
 
@ Ryne - I did 4 loads yesterday and they were all colors or darks...except I had like one white bath towel and several white socks and I normally would't do this, but I sinned and threw the white towel and few socks in with a load of colors...It's like I wanted every stitch of laundry I had to be done and if I didn't do that, I would have this random towel and a few socks... for whatever reason, this go around there wasn't nearly enough whites for a full load of whites..

anyway - those dry times are crazy compared to your old washer.. I knew it wouldn't take as long but I didn't think it would be THAT huge of a difference

@ Bob

So before staring the cycle, when selecting perma press, you can't initially choose hot? In order to get hot on that cycle, you pause it and then it lets you choose hot? Am I understanding that correctly?

@ Combo 100% agree as long as the appliance is the same color (at least for me).. I literally wouldn't bother me if all the appliances were different brands.. as long as they're the same color.. I will admit having a matching set is nice though and I don't blame people for wanting matching sets.
 
Mark, I'm sorry my coment wasn't stated c;ear;u. bit as usual, select the wash temp as part of setting up any cycle before starting the machine.
 
Reply #32: John, I still have the VMW top load washer. I wasn't about to pay Lowes $50 for haul away so the night before the front load washer came I unhooked the old machine myself and since it's so light I was able to drag it out to my living room. It's now sitting in a corner by my TV, LOL.

You are correct I was able to get the board out and back in, so I know the process. Thinking about still buying a cheap board on eBay and trying to resell the machine. If I don't get a buyer I can just put it outside and someone will surely see it and pick it up.

Yeah I definitely didn't see any reason to switch dryers. I've always had really good luck with Whirlpool-built 29-inch dryers, it's all I've ever owned because they just work so well. Mine is a 7 cu. ft. model so it actually handles the large loads from the LG really well. After all, the matching LG dryer is only 0.4 cu. ft. feet bigger, so there can't be that much of a size difference.
 
Cycles

I know I have said it a lot here, but I am not a big fan of TurboWash. Rinsing suffers. The whites cycle is great overall and is what I use 90% of the time. No extra hot as previously stated. “Hot” on my model is 45°C. I have found this to actually be good enough for most loads, though Sanitize is a great cycle if you need more heat. Whites with TurboWash cuts rinses from 3 to 1, using spray rinses during spins. Though, the interim spins are much weaker. It occasionally messes with tumbles too, and I prefer the regular ones. Bulky/Bedding is OK. Towels is good, but uses a shorter wash and higher than necessary wash water level, so not great for all loads.

Largely, it comes down to trial and error to see what works best for you!
 
Hi Ryne

 

I'm glad you are liking this new LG washer.

 

Once you become more comfortable with using this machine, can I suggest you contact LG head office in Korea and give them some suggestions for future models in how to make their machine more user-friendly for blind people. For example, different chimes for each cycle or option selection; tactile controls; and so on. I also wonder if a "talking user manual" would be useful as a phone app? I'm sure you could give them several very useful suggestions, and mention to them that these improvements would most likely cost NOTHING to implement. It is just a matter of them taking the time to consult blind and vision impaired people, and then allocating some engineer time to solving the issues raised.

 

I would also point out that Samsung already have better usability for vision-impaired people, that might give them some extra incentive to improve.

 

I would also suggest that if they choose to adopt your suggestions, they could show their gratitude to you for helping them improve their product by proving you with the new improved version at no cost.

 

As my Mum used to say, you don't get if you don't ask.
 
Appliances for visually impaired users

Very good suggestions Chris, with Rynes great knowledge and enthusiasm for laundry appliances he could be a great asset to a manufacturer.

I would even consider reaching out to Speed Queen with suggestions. Never hurts to try. You might get a free Speed Queen who knows that would be the ultimate washer. The Speed Queen control panel with its simple design with one pad for every function would be very easy to put a braille overlay on. Maybe they already have one for it. I should look into that.

Yesterday I had a customer with a 20 year-old Maytag gas Neptune stack, the bearings went bad in the washer and it's in the basement now so the space is not a factor so we put in a Speed Queen front loader next to it. She's just gonna keep the Maytag to use as a good gas dryer.

But she just instantly loved that washer seems so sensible in design and cycle selections compared to theMaytag it'll be interesting to see how she likes it after a few months.

John
 
Yes that's a GREAT IDEA!! It would be surprising is appliance companies aren't lurking these threads... I don't know though...

Not a fan of turbo wash? I'm pretty sure it can be turned off, no?

I don't understand how rinsing suffers vs non turbo wash... Me personally, I would never use any cycle without 3 total rinses...which I'm pretty sure you can do on these
 
Regarding blind accessibility, I did very strongly consider Samsung's equivalent FL model before finally settling on this one. I believe the LG's have a better track record for reliability which is the main reason, among others, why I went with this machine in the end. But I even had the Samsung in my cart and everything, was so close to picking that one but a little voice in my head was telling me to do this instead. So, I listened. Will it matter much in the long run? We shall see.

Anyhow, yeah Chris's suggestion above is a good one. The software is probably already there to do exactly what Samsung has done with their machines as far as different tones for cycle modification. Samsung's interface isn't perfect though. The cycle knob doesn't have different tones, just the modifiers, one still has to learn/memorize the cycle dial and where everything is. For the LG, before it arrived, I actually wrote up a document for myself detailing the default parameters of the cycles I figured I would use most often, so I would have it to refer back to if I ever forget. But not everyone is going to do that, in fact very few people are willing to put forth that much effort, they just want to use the machine as is, so something like voice control or vocal feedback is crucial. True accessibility is reached when the disabled user doesn't have to employ workarounds to use the machine completely independently, like everyone else. So yes, reaching out to LG with my suggestions wouldn't hurt at all.

There is a blind lady on Youtube who was able to get quite a long way in getting LG to improve the usability of the phone app and how it works in conjunction with screen reading software. I haven't attached the washer to WiFi yet, so I can't try the app. I've always been a bit of a curmudgeon about that sort of thing, appliances don't need apps and blah blah, but perhaps I'll have someone help me set that up so I can try out the app. If it does indeed make the machine more usable, that would be a win for me. I just never thought I'd see the day when I would even think about controlling my appliance with an app on my phone, that still kinda makes me itch a bit, LOL

John, what do you mean the SQ has one keypad for everythihng? Do you mean there's one button for soil, one button for temp, etc? Because if so, that's a great start, but in addition to braille overlays, the blind user would need a mechanism to keep track of where they are in the menu in order for the machine to be considered truly accessible. For example, if normal wash always starts at warm, that's good to know but if the temp button has the same beep every time it's pushed, the blind user could still easily lose their place and have to start over. So maybe SQ could incorporate ascending and descending beeps when the keypad is pressed so the user knows what's going on. The higher pitch the beep, the heavier soil, higher temp, or faster spin speed. A lower pitch beep would indicate lighter soil, cooler temp, slower spin. Does that make sense?
 
Panasonic over here had a solution where if you reached the max setting of any modifier, it would double beep.
Very simple and already a great step ahead of most.

Miele has a specific model (GuideLine) for visually impaired people. Fully usable down to the manual being available in audio format from what I've heard.
This is what I would consider the gold standard to what can be done...
https://www.miele.co.uk/product/113...ing-machine-wdd-131-wps-guideline-lotus-white

It's still somewhat shocking that billion dollar companies just aren't really required to offer simple solutions like brail overlays for such products.

It'll cost them a few people's yearly salary to cover all their appliances.
Nothing compared to their profits.
 
Well, I had the first what I would call real front loader advantage this morning.

We have this giant, thick quilt that we keep on the couch because the cat scratches and also it's kind of a cheap couch that isn't super comfortable without it. well, kitty's food didn't agree with him this morning or something and he vomited all over the quilt. Bleh!

The best I can usually do when something like this happens is spot clean it, because I would have never even tried to put that thing in any top loader. I'm sure it would fit if I really worked it, but it would just thrash about and do nothing but put stress on the machine. Anyway, I was actually able to wash the quilt in the front loader with no issues. It filled it about 3/4 of the way and it's not something I would do all the time because it really is heavy when filled with water and probably not the best for the washer, but it did indeed work. Bulky/bedding with an extra rinse and two tide pods took care of the huge vomit stain. Like, it's gone.

I honestly can't remember the last time that quilt was washed, because I certainly wasn't trekking to the laundromat to get it done. It's nice to know I can now wash this at home. Super cool.
 
Yes it's crazy isn't it? I've washed things I would never put in a traditional top loader... such as electric blanket/heating pad, pillows, etc...I even once washed a nice throw rug that probably was NOT supposed to be washed. It still looks pretty new and I've had it forever...I risked ruining it but it came out so clean and no damage...

about large HEAVY loads like that... I know what you mean. You wonder with all the weight of it's risking damage to the machine. I've done my share of those types of loads over the years thinking "this is the load that's gonna do this machine in" but it never bothered it..
 
You really can't overload a front load washer

As long as you're not filling it with brick's concrete and metal, lol

A load of 10 large bath towels is heavier than that comforter you put in it anyway.

I've never seen anybody break a front load washer from excessively large loads, the biggest harm we see is people who constantly do small loads or just one heavy item. The machine has much more trouble with those and struggles to spin and balance.

John
 
Question for anyone who has the LG w turbowash

Ok, so there's this weird thing I do not understand about this machine. There's a youtuber that posts different cycles so we can see the process... except he has the AI version of this machine... anyway, once thing I've noticed on the LG's with turbowash is when it is spinning between rinses, there's always this patter sound (I really don't know any other way to describe it) maybe like a flapping sound... I asked him what this sound was... He said: he doesn't think the pump is always on during the spin so some of the water remains in the outer tub?? It does sound like water to me...So during the interim spins, it doesn't drain all the water out? Maybe someone can explain what is happening here and why?
 
Mark

Patter sounds. Likely water in the outer drum being sloshed around. If occurring with spray rinse, water is coming in via bleach dispenser as well. Though, he is right that the pump is not always draining in this process as well.
 
Mark, I know the sound you're referring to and in my limited experience with my own new washer, it does it most prominently on the interim spins but not so much if at all on the final spin. So yeah, I think it has to do with spray rinses and also residual water left in the outer tub that the pump hasn't yet purged.
 
I mean the spray rinses are only 6 seconds long...and that sound happens before and after the spray rinses have long stopped and the interim spin keeps spinning...until it stops spinning...I'm not understanding why it's not draining all the water until the final spin?
 
After the spray rinse/spin, my machine coasts down to no tumbling/spinning and will pump exceass water and soap out before it begins filling for rinse.
 
These do pulse drains - the drain pump doesn't run continuously.
I think it can be triggered on both a timed schedule and by pressure sensor readings.

The outer tub during a high speed spin is an incredibly dynamic environment.
Keep in mid the water is flung out in all directions about equally.
If there is any water in the outer tub - like at all - it hits the drum, gets flung out, drains back down, level rises, touches the drum again.
Rinse repeat.

If the system that decides to pulse the drain pump averages the water level over a few seconds and only if that level is consistently "too high" it triggeres a drain, really minor tuning decisions might cause that drain to be triggered a bit to late.

That shouldn't happen in a perfect world.
It can lead to more easy suds locking.
The machines do run the drain pump after coming to a full stop for a few seconds so carry over is minimized.
 
Interim spin

A majority of the interim spins are very short lived after the spray rinse is performed, so water is still being extracted from the clothes as well as bleach dispenser still draining. So despite the pump running, there is still a fair amount of water in the outer tub. Before filling for the rinse, the pump runs briefly, but not long enough IMHO. As previously said, it can lead to more suds production with extra water in the outer tub, though the lower interim spin might be done to avoid that. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with TurboWash, as it needs a longer interim spin with higher speed to really extract more water from clothes and allow more water/suds to drain out and provide more effective rinsing. Though, a higher interim spin speed would mean more water required in the final rinse to satisfy water level. I still think they market TurboWash for time benefit, but in reality they do it for efficiency. You used to be able to turn TurboWash off on the Normal cycle, though not anymore.
 
I got it. I keep forgetting Turbo wash is meant to speed things up.... anyway, with turbo wash off, are you saying it doesn't do this at all? The interim spins are faster and longer?
 
With Turbowash off, the machine acts just like any other front loader. With TW off, no spray rinses and in theory it SHOULD do to rinses automatically jst like front looaders used to do in the olld days. I hace never turned my TW off on any cycles that allows that, which is bacially all cycles except for Normal.
 
Well at the very least it can be turned off/on which ever you chooose... instead of having no choice at all.. I think I would leave it on but choose a cycle that would give the highest longest interim spins... I think towels does that.. I can't remember
 
Hello Ryne & Company & Long Post Lovers~

Wanted to get in on the LG fun. First, congrats on the grand acquisition. Have said many times that if I could only take a few machines to that proverbial island, the LG TurboWash would be in the top two! Mine is about 13 years old, and it's a fetching cherry red.

Decide your favorite cycle and program it so you'll only need to press the round ON button, then the Program flat panel button, then the round small start button, and you won't have to mess with all the cycles on the big round main center dial or the multitude of options. Alternatively, you need only to press On and Start, two quick pulses and you're off and running on the Regular cycle which is a really good one and will work for almost any load.

The cycles on the let hand side of the main dial employ low level washes invented by Whirlpool 70 plus years ago. The clothing is lifted to the top of the tub then dropped to the shallow water below while being sprayed by the twin jets; hence, Turbowash. It is very effective: everything gets drenched and slammed. Think of opening your hands, palms down and spreading out your fingers with your fingertips shooting out streams of water; that's what the Turbowash looks like.

The cycles on the right of the main dial, use a ton of water, relatively speaking, filling up beyond the bottom of the window, and washing in the usual front-load method, the load balling and sloshing. Permanent Press, Delicate, and Handwash do not allow Turbowash. In these cycles, the speeds are slower and the pauses, longer. Handwash is especially entertaining: think of it as a whisper, giving brief alternating quarter-tumbles, then resting for a few minutes, almost like slowly rocking a baby's cradle. Three rinses, no interim spins. Does a great Drip-dry on when No Spin is selected.

One of the joys of the right side, PP, Delicate, and Handwash, is that you can hit the pause button, and move the main dial around, switching among the three cycles without a water throw or cancel. It's a blast! I do sneakers on HW for while, then switch to Delicate. Note that while Delicate pauses between tumbles, PP does not. (Bulky pauses longer than you'd expect thus to fully saturate Teddy from Mister Bean or your mega quilt.) In a really giant Bulky load like winter jackets, etc, you really appreciate the turbo jets because even with this cycle's highest water level, much of the load is above it enjoying the full and constant saturation of the jets.

Ryne, you might really like the Whitest Whites cycle because it heats the water up to traditional HOT, and does a really nice job on any sturdy fabric of any light color.

Mark, I always use Turbowash, and think it's really cool the way LG brought back the ancient Whirlpool Combo method. Interesting that it's not allowed on every cycle, but you can cancel it on the Normal/Default cycle if you want. More interesting is that on the Bulky cycle, the jets shut off during the tumbles, then blast on during the long pauses. As for the noises during spins, mine gurgles and if you pull out the dispenser drawer, it's really noticeable. Seems to be the sound of the pumps channeling up through the plumbing and venting out of the drawer chamber.

Beloved Rinsaholics, Tom and Bob, the Towels cycle fills up to the top on both the wash and the
T H R E E rinses. It rinses its fanny off, with full 1000 rpm interim spins. I harldy ever use it. Three rinses scares me, LOL; there's no soap or scent left, but for lovers of traditional front load washing, this cycle is homage to them.

My only programmed cycle is Speedwash, one of the coolest things I've ever seen, but it has a major defect which has been handled: after the wash drain, the LG does a few more tumbles, thus shaking out more washing liquors, but--shock of shocks--the pump is off, so all that shaken liquor stays because there is no interim spin on Speedwash. Sheesh! The machine proceeds immediately to the rinse fill, dramatic and up to the top, followed by two fabulous 50+ second spray rinses and a 1200 mph spin. When present, I open the trap door during the no-pump tumble and catch the remnant liquors; it's a lot, reminiscent of the soapy spit up of the GE filter-flo at rinse time.

I love talking about the LG. Thanks for having me. Whoever designed it studied every washer move ever invented, combined them all, and had washing machines in his dreams.
 

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