glenfieldmathk1
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So next door couldn't find the magazine's, so I emailed the people behind our Local newspaper, as mentioned on Candy Aquamatics Thread.
The results - all dishwashers held their rated capacity.
The email is shown below.
obviously its not Italic - I have no idea how you do Italic text on AW.org:
"Thanks for getting in touch with us.
We keep records of articles for up to 3 years, however our Agony aunt section is only kept for Max 1 Year. We publish usually 5 magazines a year.
I found 2 articles for you from our Agony Aunt, which have all been written below in Italics. (The dates are the day that we first launched the magazine, it arrives in different houses a few days after each other, due to the size of Glenfield & our small delivery team). I have also included the additional article, following on from our Winter edition responses.
Late Autumn 2012
“Q – Why Does a dishwasher need salt?
A – Salt dissolves in the water as the dishwasher fills for its wash through the salt dispenser, and on some machines will fill for its rinses through the salt dispenser too. The dissolved salt helps to reduce the concentration of hard water, so softening the water. This allows the detergent to be more effective, but reduces shattering impact on items such as Glass, as the water is softer. In Glenfield with have hard water which means its important to use a multi tab with built in salt or place salt into the dispenser, usually located at the bottom of the machine.
Some manufacturers say that even when using multi function tabs that salt should still be used.
Salt can corrode items such as Aluminium over time however. These items shouldn’t be placed in the dishwasher.”
Winter 2013
“Q – How are dishwasher place settings worked out?
A – This determines how many items of crockery can be placed into the dishwasher in a single load, on the standard “Energy Label” wash cycle (that’s the cycle that the manufacturer recommends in order to achieve the rated energy efficiency of the appliance.
I’ve worked at Which? in the past, and the place settings are worked out differently on machines, it all depends on the manufacturer, but a standard is: 1 Plate, 1 Dish, 1 Saucer (or side plate), 1 Wine Glass, 1 Beaker/Mug or Glass – and 1 knife, 1 fork, 1 spoon & 1 tea spoon per place setting. in addition to the place setting it should also hold 1 Large oven tray, saucepan or serving dish and serving cutlery.
Most dishwashers are 12 Place settings on the current Market. An Average load could consist of: 12 standard Plates, 12 side plates, 12 dishes, 12 Wine Glasses, 6 Mugs, 6 Glasses, 12 Knives, 12 Forks, 12 dessert Spoons, 1 Table Spoon, 12 Tea Spoons, 1 Serving Fork, 1 Large Knife, 1 Large Pan.”
Final article:
Early Spring 2013
“After a number of responses to our Agony Aunt section in the last edition, we have decided to investigate further.
The question asked was: How are dishwasher place settings worked out?
Many responses came in saying that your dishwashers couldn’t hold the amount the machine was rated to hold.
Manufacturers place settings are worked out differently, but on Average they are as we mentioned in our last edition
We have been working with Which? our agony Aunt and an Industry expert. We put to the test 5 Dishwashers and checked that they can hold their claimed place settings.
Models tested:
Bosch Logixx 14 Place setting SMV69T30. This dishwasher held 14 place settings, and still had space left inside for an additional oven tray.
Bosch Winning Line 13 Place setting SMS53A12. This dishwasher we managed to get inside 13 place settings, though we couldn’t fit inside a serving dish or saucepan, only an oven tray.
Hotpoint Style 12 Place settings FDYF1100. This dishwasher easily held 11 place settings, plus a large saucepan, or serving dish. However like the Bosch, if a full 12 place settings were inside, only an oven tray could be added.
AEG F77012M0P 12 Place settings. This dishwasher held all 12 place settings, including a large serving dish and oven tray.
Miele 9 Place settings G4501SC. This dishwasher held all 9 Place settings, and had additional space for another Oven Tray, that’s 2 trays in total, or one saucepan/serving dish, but this wasn’t clipped in so could move about during the wash programme.
We recommend that you shop around, and don’t just look online, it may be smaller than you think, even though it claims it can hold a certain capacity.
A spokeswoman for Which? said: “The test carried out was in a controlled environment using the same plates, cups etc. But through tests are carried out by Which? which are available on the which website, however for each dishwasher we found that all crockery could fit inside to the amount of capacity stated by manufacturer. The addition of the saucepan, trays and Serving Dishes all vary by manufacturer.
“The dishwashers instruction manual will usually show diagrams of how to load to full capacity.”
We conclude that dishwashers on the market do hold the place settings as shown on their energy label. Some manufacturers will ask you to load the dishwasher differently in order to accommodate all items. As our agony aunt mentioned – “place settings are worked out differently on machines, it all depends on the manufacturer.””
We hope you found the articles ok.
Article 3 has been edited slightly due to Email size reasons, and we cannot send Photo’s online due to Copyright.
If this hasn’t answered your questions – please feel free to contact us again."
I think we can safely say, the newspaper doesn't want to criticize dishwashers.
The article they sent me seems different to the one I read, maybe the one they published criticized the brands too much?
In the Picture-a screen shot of the email - just to prove it is an email! My Personal, and their details blanked out.
Question to carry on this thread, Can Yours hold its rated Capacity? I think it would be great to see a video from everyone showing there dishwashers holding rated capacity!
The results - all dishwashers held their rated capacity.
The email is shown below.
obviously its not Italic - I have no idea how you do Italic text on AW.org:
"Thanks for getting in touch with us.
We keep records of articles for up to 3 years, however our Agony aunt section is only kept for Max 1 Year. We publish usually 5 magazines a year.
I found 2 articles for you from our Agony Aunt, which have all been written below in Italics. (The dates are the day that we first launched the magazine, it arrives in different houses a few days after each other, due to the size of Glenfield & our small delivery team). I have also included the additional article, following on from our Winter edition responses.
Late Autumn 2012
“Q – Why Does a dishwasher need salt?
A – Salt dissolves in the water as the dishwasher fills for its wash through the salt dispenser, and on some machines will fill for its rinses through the salt dispenser too. The dissolved salt helps to reduce the concentration of hard water, so softening the water. This allows the detergent to be more effective, but reduces shattering impact on items such as Glass, as the water is softer. In Glenfield with have hard water which means its important to use a multi tab with built in salt or place salt into the dispenser, usually located at the bottom of the machine.
Some manufacturers say that even when using multi function tabs that salt should still be used.
Salt can corrode items such as Aluminium over time however. These items shouldn’t be placed in the dishwasher.”
Winter 2013
“Q – How are dishwasher place settings worked out?
A – This determines how many items of crockery can be placed into the dishwasher in a single load, on the standard “Energy Label” wash cycle (that’s the cycle that the manufacturer recommends in order to achieve the rated energy efficiency of the appliance.
I’ve worked at Which? in the past, and the place settings are worked out differently on machines, it all depends on the manufacturer, but a standard is: 1 Plate, 1 Dish, 1 Saucer (or side plate), 1 Wine Glass, 1 Beaker/Mug or Glass – and 1 knife, 1 fork, 1 spoon & 1 tea spoon per place setting. in addition to the place setting it should also hold 1 Large oven tray, saucepan or serving dish and serving cutlery.
Most dishwashers are 12 Place settings on the current Market. An Average load could consist of: 12 standard Plates, 12 side plates, 12 dishes, 12 Wine Glasses, 6 Mugs, 6 Glasses, 12 Knives, 12 Forks, 12 dessert Spoons, 1 Table Spoon, 12 Tea Spoons, 1 Serving Fork, 1 Large Knife, 1 Large Pan.”
Final article:
Early Spring 2013
“After a number of responses to our Agony Aunt section in the last edition, we have decided to investigate further.
The question asked was: How are dishwasher place settings worked out?
Many responses came in saying that your dishwashers couldn’t hold the amount the machine was rated to hold.
Manufacturers place settings are worked out differently, but on Average they are as we mentioned in our last edition
We have been working with Which? our agony Aunt and an Industry expert. We put to the test 5 Dishwashers and checked that they can hold their claimed place settings.
Models tested:
Bosch Logixx 14 Place setting SMV69T30. This dishwasher held 14 place settings, and still had space left inside for an additional oven tray.
Bosch Winning Line 13 Place setting SMS53A12. This dishwasher we managed to get inside 13 place settings, though we couldn’t fit inside a serving dish or saucepan, only an oven tray.
Hotpoint Style 12 Place settings FDYF1100. This dishwasher easily held 11 place settings, plus a large saucepan, or serving dish. However like the Bosch, if a full 12 place settings were inside, only an oven tray could be added.
AEG F77012M0P 12 Place settings. This dishwasher held all 12 place settings, including a large serving dish and oven tray.
Miele 9 Place settings G4501SC. This dishwasher held all 9 Place settings, and had additional space for another Oven Tray, that’s 2 trays in total, or one saucepan/serving dish, but this wasn’t clipped in so could move about during the wash programme.
We recommend that you shop around, and don’t just look online, it may be smaller than you think, even though it claims it can hold a certain capacity.
A spokeswoman for Which? said: “The test carried out was in a controlled environment using the same plates, cups etc. But through tests are carried out by Which? which are available on the which website, however for each dishwasher we found that all crockery could fit inside to the amount of capacity stated by manufacturer. The addition of the saucepan, trays and Serving Dishes all vary by manufacturer.
“The dishwashers instruction manual will usually show diagrams of how to load to full capacity.”
We conclude that dishwashers on the market do hold the place settings as shown on their energy label. Some manufacturers will ask you to load the dishwasher differently in order to accommodate all items. As our agony aunt mentioned – “place settings are worked out differently on machines, it all depends on the manufacturer.””
We hope you found the articles ok.
Article 3 has been edited slightly due to Email size reasons, and we cannot send Photo’s online due to Copyright.
If this hasn’t answered your questions – please feel free to contact us again."
I think we can safely say, the newspaper doesn't want to criticize dishwashers.
The article they sent me seems different to the one I read, maybe the one they published criticized the brands too much?
In the Picture-a screen shot of the email - just to prove it is an email! My Personal, and their details blanked out.
Question to carry on this thread, Can Yours hold its rated Capacity? I think it would be great to see a video from everyone showing there dishwashers holding rated capacity!
