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Who's used any of these products, either in your home or your office?  There's a world of this stuff out there, both visually and cost wise.  If you used it, what did you select and what's your opinion of the product now that it's yours?  Most of it appears to be of the floating type with click-lock joints.

 

I need to replace the existing carpet in my house (slab-on-grade construction) and this seems to be a viable option for me.  But this product hit the market after I retired and so I never specified it or saw it used in a project, and am trying to educate myself about it.

 

lawrence
 
It's easy enough to put down AND more importantly- Take up when needed.

There by, it's repairable.

It's probably made of recycled milk cartons but you'd need to verify that.

Doesn't require gluing so no harmful fumes or tricky gluing down.

Doesn't contain asbestos which has frequently been a problem in the past.

Not sure about VOCs. I'm sure there is some but certainly not as much as brand new carpeting.

It's cleanable and sanitize-able. If something dies on it you can literally take the pieces up, clean up any liquid that's leaked through, scrub and bleach the flooring pieces, let everything dry and re-install.
Can't do that with carpet.

A typical person could install themselves if they wish.
Stretched wall to wall carpet, not so much.


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Karndean

When we built this house, I wanted cork flooring in the kitchen - a bit cushiony under foot, good looking, easy to care for under the right circumstances. Trouble was, we live a long way from any cork installers, it was going to cost a fortune as they would have travel 2 hours drive each way for floor prep, floor seal, lay cork, sand cork, 5 coats of seal - travel for each of these steps. I started to look at other options, meanwhile we lived with bare concrete in the kitchen. For years. I just couldn't find anything I was happy with.

 

Eventually we found out about Karndean LVT and LVP. It is a very heavy product for vinyl, comfortable to walk on, and available in a huge range of pretend-stone tiles and pretend-wood planks. I took ages to find a design I was happy with, as we already had fake-wood pattern laminex on kitchen benchtops, I thought too much fake wood would look too fake, so tried to find a stone pattern I liked that suited the room - Karndean were great, extremely generous with free samples of whole planks and whole tiles, other brands offered little tiny samples that didn't give a clue how they would look on the floor. I showed them photos of the kitchen and they suggested a few designs, what won me was a limed - oak pattern, very light almost white, with a very different wood grain to our benchtops so it didn't look like a bad attempt at a match, but completely different. They even gave me several whole planks of the one pattern so I could see what it looked like in my own home over a good sized area. Free to keep, no need to return to the showroom. I couldn't find a stone pattern I liked at all, personal taste not a quality issue. They were too grey, like trying to imitate bare concrete, which was the surface I wanted to cover up... I wanted warmer browner colours, which aren't in fashion right now but I don't care a fig about that.

 

These products were designed to be loose lay - they just sit in place, laid to be a tight fit wall to wall. This depends on a fairly constant room temperature year round so there isn't too much expansion/contraction over the seasons. Australian homes often have much more temperature variation, it is a perverse logic in a way, but as much of the heavily populated parts of Australia have a relatively moderate climate, homes often have very basic heating/cooling in the living areas only, with unheated/uncooled utility rooms and bedrooms. This means our homes tend to have more indoor temperature variation than homes in Europe or USA that have much greater outdoor temperature variation, and so have powerful whole-house heating and cooling systems that keep a fairly stable interior temperature. This means that "looselay" products are NOT loose-laid in Australia, they are glued to the floor underneath. You get a choice of "hard glue" that bonds the vinyl product to the base floor and if you need to replace a plank or tile, you need to call in an installer; or you can have a "re-layable" glue that remains tacky, so you can lift and replace a plank as needed by yourself, but these are subject to more movement from expansion / contraction. Some installers always do one or the other, others give the customers advice and the choice. We chose hard glued as we get some west sun directly on the floor through a window.

 

I LOVE the product. My floor looks great, is easy to care for, I use the Karndean-branded cleaning and rejuvenating products. I have had one accident, I dropped an enamelled steel baking tray on the floor, the sharp edge of the tray made a small cut in the vinyl. It is visible but not too obvious. I have replaced the tray with one that has no sharp edges, and will live with the marked floor plank. I may try a repair product, or if in future I damage another plank, I might get new ones re-laid - I have spare planks. Did I say I love this flooring??
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Chris,

Thanks for the information.  It's actually a Karndean product that I'm considering.  It seems like a high quality product and is quite realistic looking.  I want a slate look; this particular one is 18" x 24" with built-in (factory-applied) grout.  The dealer has given me a price of $4.50/sf for the product, I will probably schedule him one day next week to come to the house, measure, and give me an estimate.

 

lawrence

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We've Amtico in a kitchen and it's genuinely a fantastic product. They are coated with a heavy polish layer which can be stripped using a proprietary product and a simple mop. You can then completely resurface the floor, with just a simple flat mop and another product. It’s not something you need to do very often but it completely restores the floor when it gets tired looking.

Most people can’t tell it’s not wood even looking closely at it.

Just be wary of very old installations, especially pre 1980s. They last a long time but the older tiles used to contain asbestos! They were highly unlikely to shed fibres, unless sanded, cut or drilled. However, older products like that should be treated as potentially asbestos laden.
 
I like the ease of installation idea.

I've been hesitant about it because of all the seams. With a one piece sheet vynil there are few seams. If you spill you can easily wipe it up and that's that.

Anything with seams there is the very real threat of water getting into the seams and not being able to get down at the water to remove it.

If one does the floating product I wonder if one could caulk the seams. Just the top so the pieces can still be taken apart if needed. That's really my only issue.

I do miss the bright, shiny sheet goods from the 90s and 00s. You can't find anything really like that anymore.
But these floating products are certainly more user friendly, better for the environment, and re-useable.
 
seams

the Karndean fits together very tight. Then you put a coat or two (I did 3 coats) of the sealer/protector product (Karndean Refresh), this should seal the seams just fine.

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Yes Chris, I think that would work. I didn't know there is a wax or finish for these.
Maybe you have different products available there.

I haven't really looked because my mind is still on 90s sheet goods. So now I'm learning.

I'm so glad you started this post.

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"I want a slate look..."

In our previous home, I laid real slate. I over-did it - slate floors in kitchen, laundry, bathroom with slate benchtops and slate splashbacks. A mid-grey colour with quite a bit of natural colour variation. In retrospect, it was way too much slate and looked dark and heavy. Also it wasn't good quality slate, and we used a special glue to mount it direct to old timber floor boards, a product called Tile on Timber. Allegedly no cement sheet underlay needed. It was a disaster, the old floors (1926 home) flexed enough over the seasons to crack tiles. The sealer wasn't durable, it peeled and chipped in places. It was such a disappointment. With the new home it was NOT to be slate or to even look like slate! (nightmares...)

 

The one in your photo looks good, however - what is the pattern and colour called? I don't remember seeing that one.
 
Linoleum?

Lawrence,

If you have not already considered linoleum, it's definitely worth checking out.

I really wanted to do genuine linoleum in my kitchen in the country. It's all natural, colored all the way through, durable and environmentally friendly. Ultimately, I chose to reuse the pine flooring from my grandparents bedroom both for cost reasons--already paid for, deconstruction cheaper than new flooring--and environmental reasons. Reusing beats replacing even with eco friendly products.

Linoleum is resilient and being used in a lot of commercial applications like hospitals.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-talk-floor-plan/

It's manufactured by Forbo and Tarkett. Both have been generous with samples. I'm considering using it on the counter tops.

Sarah
 
Sarah,

I had a linoleum floor (Forbo) installed in my kitchen in Atlanta and loved it.  I do hope to be able to use it here in the kitchen and laundry eventually.  It feels really nice underfoot and has a pleasant smell.

 

In 1959 my grandmother purchased a house in Birmingham that was built in the late 1940's and it had black linoleum on the countertop.  It did not hold up well next to the sink, but did great in the dry areas.

 

lawrence

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I'm glad to hear that you like the Forbo floor. I'm thinking lino might be ok on the counters because I have a 6' double drainboard sink, and there won't be as much water spill over onto the counter...

I'm still thinking about it. In my dream world, I'd have red solid surface custom milled to accept my Youngstown trim.

Sarah
 
“In my dream world, I'd have red solid surface custom milled to accept my Youngstown trim.”

Sounds like a right fine dream world to me Sarah! I love those old fashioned red linoleum counter tops with the SS trim. At time when this was originally done it was sleek and modern. To me it still looks sleek and “moderne”.

I also like the old fashioned tiled counter tops with those beautiful colors that were produces in the 30’s 40’s and 50’s. You just cant’t get tiles like that anymore.

Eddie
 
It went down today.

The Karndean LVP was installed today.  It went down reasonably quickly and without problems.  I'm pleased with how it looks.  Bethann is still undecided about the change.  The individual "planks" are 24" x 18".

 

lawrence

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