Machines of Ill Repute, Volume VI: Return of a Classic

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Nate,

I still have the lovely dark maple access panel cover that matches the cabinetry from whence the 3600 came . . .

 

After seeing the pictures, I must admit that I'd have fallen as hard as you did for such rare beauty, in hopes that its higher model status would right all the wrongs of the 3600. 

 

Alas, after hearing it wash, I know it thunders as much as the 3600 did.  A kick panel would make little difference.  I hope it does a better job of cleaning.  That's not asking for much, considering the performance of the 3600.
 
Nice Find Nate!

When I moved back to the French Quarter in New Orleans after college, the condo I rented had this exact dishwasher in white such as yours.   I thought it was a very good dishwasher.  After I figured out it was a good cleaner I would only run it when I was either leaving the home or going to be outside by the pool for the duration.  It sounded very Powerful!  I would always run it on the Sani Steam Full Cycle.  It never let me down.

Your new dishwasher looks to be in very good shape!

Brent
 
Marler Crafted

LOL! Thanks, Eddie--that's an Ikea freestanding dishwasher enclosure, merged with a solid-wood base and polyurethane casters from Harbor Freight so that the damned thing will move. :-) It lets us get built-ins to drag home and play with, which are much more plentiful.
 
Ikea dishwasher enclosure?

Good heavens, I had no idea they made such a thing...  Wonder if the stores up here in the far north sell them... If so, I may 'convert' one or two of my otherwise unused built-ins!  

 

Love the dishwasher, Nate!
 
great article!

Nate this is a great article. I have never had the pleasure of loading and using a thermador or waste king DW! I am a good loader but these do look more complicated than the norm! I would like to take one out for a spin before I judge!
thanks
Peter
 
Thanks, Paul! :-D

The cabinet is from the Vardë line, but I can't find links to it, so I fear it may have been discontinued.  It's so great, because it comes with adjustable leveling feet and little stainless cuffs to hide them, giving a true built-in look.  I just nixed the cuffs and feet altogether, and stuck a base on the bottom, along with a cubby behind to store the hoses.

 

If you do find one, it comes unfinished, so I highly recommend applying polyurethane to the top.  Ours needs refinishing already--we used to follow the instructions for oiling it with mineral oil, but that was a mess, and stray pieces of mail that landed on the dishwasher looked like we'd fried chicken over them.  Ugh.
 
Nate, one of the flatware baskets was immediately removed in both our Waste Kings for bulky item arrangement.  To avoid disappointment, I could have told you and Ralph that the 3600's Normal or Regular Wash was only for just about fully rinsed dishes.  Anything with soil needed a steam cycle.  But you didn't ask. 
 
Nate, I'm learning to not go by what a label says for a cycle.  I find the cycle & option which will do what I expect it to do for the particular situation.  That Regular cycle reminded me totally of the Fine China cycle on our 2nd Waste King.  That and Rinse & Hold were all my mom used.  Even on the rare occasion  she did use Full Cycle, after a while she'd push in the start button to get the timer going when it was pausing to "sani-heat"the water because she did it bugged her it made the cycle longer.  She did the same thing with the rotorack if she ever used the Sani-Rinse option.  On the GSD1200, all she used was Energy Saver, China/Crysta, and periodically Rinse & Hold.  I don't think that dishwasher ever saw used Light Wash, Normal Wash, or PotScrubber.  Mom did the same thing on the dryer even if she'd set it for auto dry.  turn the knob and shut it down when she thought it should be done.  (which was a 45 minute limit even for towels). 
 
Great writing, Nate!  What is ATB?  Appliance Testing Bureau - Board?  Is Roger on the board?  Maybe that's why he never has time to call!  LOL

 

I brought home a Waste King from about 1972 last Spring.  It was fun to use for a few loads and then pass it along to the Minneapolis boys for their dishwashing enjoyment.  

 

Not being a glutton for punishment, I didn't have much patience for the loading challenges the flat upper rack, and the essentially divided lower rack.  Being a lower end model and earlier, the upper rack in Nate's machine looks a little more flexible than the one I had.  I found it harder to place larger items with fixed rows of tines.  The lower rack looks the same and it's saving grace was being able to remove or move the flatware baskets.  After a few loads, I ended up just leaving one out completely.  The three large compartments were a bit too large, allowing more accidental nesting of flatware.  There weren't good spaces for taller items like a couple of cheapy Ikea cutting boards that I dearly love.  They are thin silicone and tent to warp in the hot water and droop into the path of the big upper wash arm.

 

I thought it washed well and though louder than expected, it did a decent job overall.  I can still fit more in my KitchenAid, but the WK was far and away better than the horrid top-loading Norge that also came my way last year. (pic 6)

 

Ikea is in the process of changing out their entire cabinet offerings so it's not surprising you can't find that d/w unit, though I looked for that a few months ago and couldn't find it then.  

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Oversized dishware wasn't popular back when these were designed.  Just like my GEs, the left side held more dinner plates than the right side.  Thus, the right basket was removed from day one courtesy of my prepubescent BobLoad eyes.  The right side was great for mixing bowl and skillet in the same load. College aquantence parents had a KDC15 installed when they built their house.  It died by 1976 due to daily use of a family of 9.  Was replaced with a PotScrubber II.  I opened it up and discovered the big GE flatware basket had been replaced with a Waste King flatware basket.  I burst out laughing.  then they laughed because I recognized the brand the basket came from.
 
Oh Nate!

A fif-teen page epic!?

 

I think you've managed to out-do yourself, *and then* some. Superbly impressive material. 

 

Now, how about some performance tests or some crusty, grungy, icky, sticky, smelly BobLoads to do the man proud and really test this machine ;) Don't forget to let us know before you faint when it all comes out dirty again!
 
Thank you

Thank you all--it was fun to write, and I'm glad you enjoyed it! In my dream kitchen, I'll have a bank of ten bays for dishwashers, a lab coat, a clipboard, and a pensive expression. :-)

(Stove? We need room for a stove? Use the microwave!)

Ralph - Yes, you did rule the Thermadorian world that day! I've not come close with the BobLoading you achieved. Last night, we had nine people over for dinner (yes, in this house), and very nearly accomplished the fabled all-plates load in the bottom rack. We could really have used that second silverware basket, though--things were a little crowded in there, so some of the utensils had to wait for the second run.

Bob - I ran the lasagna load last night on Heavy/Sani-Steam, and wow, what a difference. There was still a small yiblet issue, but I attribute that to an overfull silverware basket and the partial-underfill issue I still need to permanently address. When I opened the door, my eyeballs liquefied. Talk about generating some steam, holy biscuits!

I know what you mean about cycle dedication--my mom only ran the "Short cycle" on our 1978 Whirlpool, no matter what went in there. I was busted the day I dared to run Super Scour and the extended-wash duration was noticed.

That's a funny story about swapping in the flatware basket from the WK on a GE. I like the idea of the baskets on the Thermador, but I need a spot large enough for a bowl or whatever to sit in the bottom rack, and most of the time, it just doesn't work out. Even if I scoot it to another spot, then I end up losing parking spaces for plates. Like you said, at the moment, the second basket is mostly hanging out on the counter. For that matter, the second top-rack divider is in a drawer. :-)

Our monster dinner plates fit fine in this; unlike the spin-tube Frigidaire, where anything over 9" clipped the bottom of the top rack.

Greg - ATB is my inside joke. It harkens back to ChesterMike's post where I referred to "All Temperature Bitch" detergent. But "Appliance Testing Bureau" might come across as a little more couth :-D I'll remind Roger to call, but I think he may be waiting for his Frigidaire to arrive in the mail after sending in his card. ;-)

Your Waste King is lovely--they definitely made some handsome machines across the lines. I can see why you'd be annoyed with that top rack--having the "InfiniBasket" like the Thermadors really helps. Thank God they didn't put all those thick, unyielding loop tines up there, or you'd probably have to buy your bowls and glassware from WK/Thermador direct just to have anything fit at all. It reminds me of when Hobart fell in lust with those curlicue tines in the top rack of the 15 series, and the results were pretty much the same.

Did the WK come with a WiiFit Plus? ;-)

I hope Ikea keeps this cabinet design, or comes up with something similar; it's brilliant, handsome, and durable, and makes an easy conversion to a rolling portable enclosure that fits all makes and models if you cobble a cubby for the cord and unicouple. If you mount the front casters slightly in front of the legs, it won't tip over--ever.

Leslie - I'll post the control panels when I get home tonight so you can see the 1200 vs. 1250 options. Gordon and I compared notes to see what, exactly, the differences were. Except for us finding one in Phoenix a while back, I'd never heard of a 1250.

Eugene - LOL That would be shooting fish in a barrel, wouldn't it? :-D "Day three: The machine collapsed into a pool of rust chips and oil; we had to pour kitty litter on it and sweep it into the dustbin, clothes and all. The agitator emerged unscathed, so we turned it into a lamp."

I don't know why I don't get more excited about reviewing washers, as much as I love playing with them. But I'm much more analytical about the dishwashers' design quirks--in a way, it feels like there are so many more dimensions to dishwasher design than the average clothes washer. What I'd really love to do is assemble a D&M, the Thermador, arm-and-armless KitchenAids, the GE 1250, and a Whirlpool PowerClean, and do standardized testing for the next issue. We're most of the way there on the collection; it would take weeks to generate consistent loads (and loading) and figure out standardized cycles (the not-so-regular "Regular Wash" on the Thermador being an educational point)--but what fun!
 
Norge DW

Greg, that Norge is cute! But even with all the fun impeller machines (and even with the ones that can scrub chrome off a trailer hitch), I've always found that the two best days of impeller-dishwasher ownership match the two best days of having a water feature in the backyard: The day you get one, and the day you get rid of it. :-) As much as I whine about restrictive racking, imagine the grouse-fest that ensues with an impeller rack that demands circular flat-object loading in the bottom. :-)
 

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