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My 1956 Zenith Hi-Fi,has the record conpensator settings and the nice cobra-matic turntable with the strobascope built in,and a very light tone arm.Its a large floor model kinda south sea island look almost a perfect match for my 1956 R.C.A. color set.The sound is really pretty good.I hooked my c.d. player to the aux in the back and used a coupler.Tube amps sound so warm and pleasant. Thanks Bobby
 
I almost bought a mono 50's Zenith tube console with the Cobramatic tt and am/fm radio. A blond wood cabinet that also looked kind of south seas. I passed on it and later found the Magnavox from the same family that sold me the Victrola and a bunch of old 78's. 10 inch pop from early 1900's to late 40's, plus about 10 12" classical album sets - one even is an RCA Victor 12" set in translucent red vinyl. A special find for me was a 50's RCA Victor recording of "The Ballad of Davy Crockett". I remember listening to our long lost and worn copy of that when I was a kid. It's a kick to hear it on a good system now. Also found some 78's in a cabinet in the garage of this house after I bought it. A lot of Portuguese language records, from Victor and Columbia, plus about 10 "United Records" discs that have some delightful stuff on them. I had to machine an adapter (the hole is about 1-3/8" big) but the records seem to be in better shape than most because of the difficulty in playing them w/o the adapter. The band/marches generally sound particularly good on an old Victrola.

Although I liked the look of the Cobramatic I'm thinking the Collaro/Micromatic is a better tt.

Yes, the high frequency response of a conical stylus can't compare to that of an elliptical. But I agree that a conical is kinder to the grooves than a poorly set up or worn elliptical.
 
Anyone who plays records should be concerned about tracking force and bias compensation-if you don't have these factors adjusted properly on your playback system damage to both the records and TT will result.And not to mention distortion.the link above is correct in many things-but the response curves that elliptical is better than a conical is a myth.I saw it for myself on a NEW test record and fresh conical and ell styli.On older WORN records the ell can make the HF part better-it can track deeper into the groove to reach the least worn part of it.On any of the radio station setups I have to do-I was able to get flat response to 15Khz-the highest test frequency on Shure test records-and that commonly recorded on records.in setting up TT's the Shure test record and stylus pressure guage are essential tools.Still have mine somewhere.Most large radio stations had these.For adjusting the bias or compensation-there was a unrecorded portion of the shure test record-you set the bas,-anti-skating to where the stylus would stay in the same spot without moving.the scope method shown in the link works too.the scope can actually be more accurate.for the overhang adjustments-most cartridge makers included a guage for that purpose with the cartridge.Or you could purchase it from broadcast equipment suppliers-a more precise metal guage instead of the cardboard one the cartridge makers provided.Tonearm makers often had these guages too-and for their arm.you used it when you had to mount the arm to the tonearm board on the TT.Broadcast TT's were like that-you could use any type of arm with them.Russco,QRK,Technics,etc.SME and Microtrack were the most common broadcast TT arms.Ortifon was another.
and oh yes-I remember the "Ballad of Davy Crockett" from when I was a kid-had it on a 78.That would be nice to hear now from a record-I have it on a CD now.
 
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I certainly agree the 1958 Magnavox I have in the garage has a better turntable,than the Zenith.But!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know what it all comes down too. We listen to what we like,you canargue this needle B.S. till the cows come home.Its What Your 2 Ears hear.I doubt it matters to any of us if our records cool off,if I like it Ill play it 50 times Im sure no damage will occur that I can hear or anyone else. Look on E-bay Ill bet you will find your Davy Crockett record.
 
you can argue this needle B.S. till the cows come home.

When one is running a $2600 tonearm and $500 cartridge/stylus setup (not including the turntable/plinth), they tend to be very picky about their equipment :)
 
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You can only get what was recorded on the record.Just because that kind of money was spent doesnt mean its the best,Ive heard some ten dollar cartridges sound better than 200.00 ones.Can you be so picky that after listening to a record that you truly enjoyed it.Like cooking a steak on a 700.00 grill master deluxe,does it really taste better? Probably not!! Charcoal would be fine. Bobby
 
Playing a record 50 times in a row with no pause will definitely cause audible distortion. I have a couple LP records that I loaned out years ago. In both cases the borrowers played certain tracks over and over again - and the records were basically ruined. Another time I was working with some housemates to dig a garden and clean up our house, and we played one of my favorite LP's repeatedly on my Garrard equipped KLH Model 11. That record was ruined as well (my fault that time). After that I never loaned out another record, and I don't play anything over and over without giving it a rest as described above.

Having collected more than a few used 78's it's not hard to tell which ones were favorites and played repeatedly without pause. In some cases it might have been failure to change the Victrola needle to have a new one for each play. In other cases it might have been just too much playing with a good needle on an electronic machine but without giving the track a rest. So far I have two 78's of Ella Fitzgerald singing "Cow Cow Boogie" and it's obvious that both have been damaged by bad needles and/or too much continuous play. It's such a great rendition I tend to think the latter.

I can understand the aversion to the somewhat meticulous and dictatorial approach some collectors take towards their audio recording hobby. Hey, that's their choice and they can do what they like with their stuff, just as you can with your stuff. I think I tend to fall somewhere in between, since most of my old 78's are used and already worn/damaged, but I most certainly would not dismiss out of hand the experience and wisdom of those who know how to get the best sound out of old records and how to keep them in the best possible condition.
 
No,I don't go along with the super audiophile crowd either-in one of my audio magazines-they had a review on the Clearaudio TT system----$185,000 just for the TT tonearm system-cartridge extra.The unit weights more than 600 pounds and stands about 5 ft high.This would be more expensive than my house and record collection combined.Don't need a TT like that-and don't think it would hold up to well in a typical radio station.I can agree on the cartridges-sometimes the more expensive models may not be better than the lower priced ones.I will have to say the audio hobby has just too much BS in some of it to suit me.Come on now guys-do we really need $185,000 Tt's just to play our records?or $579,000 speakers and amps to play them thru?I am just not convinced on these high priced components.These things are so expensive I would be afraid to use them.also do we need $25,000 patch cables to connect the components together-ditto with $25,000 speaker cables.
did this all start with the Maganavox TT only hi-fi?Thats all most need to play records.That unit would do pretty well against many of those high priced things.And its price is more reasonable-even when bought new.Oh---heres another thing I found advertised in the "audiophool" hi-fi magazine-speaker cable elevator-insulators-these look just like the insulators used on power company dist lines-and the books ad sells them for $180 for a set of 6.They try to convince you that resting your audio and speaker cables on the floor will do untold damage to the audio signal.The floor is an insulator-interconnect cables are sheilded-and speaker cables have too low an impedance to make any diffrence.Yet I am sure some folks have bought those insulators and think its the grandest addition to their system.Oh well if it make them happy.I am NOT convinced-guess been in the business too long.And what some of these folks pay for tubed amps!I suppose if you must put your speaker cables on the insulators-how bout talk to your power co lineman-probably will give you some old insulators to use-and for free!Maybe that audio magazine should suggest we erect utility poles and crossarms in the listening room to hold the cables-will get them off the floor!
 

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