sudsmaster
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The only time I slept in a waterbed I didn't care for it. I really couldn't see the advantage.
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Firm is not always good, the higher your weight, the firmer the mattress should be, generally speaking. More important is that a mattress supports your body in that way that your spine is in a straight line. It's all about being comfortable and feeling relaxed after a night sleep.
One thing I like is a wool mattress topper. I've gone through several mattresses the last few years (one replaced under warranty, the second replaced within the exchange period, the third ok but not great). It makes the mattress more comfortable and gives it a more plush feeling. Because of my allergies it's together with the mattress in an anti-dustmite cover.
Firm is not always good, the higher your weight, the firmer the mattress should be, generally speaking. More important is that a mattress supports your body in that way that your spine is in a straight line. It's all about being comfortable and feeling relaxed after a night sleep.
One thing I like is a wool mattress topper. I've gone through several mattresses the last few years (one replaced under warranty, the second replaced within the exchange period, the third ok but not great). It makes the mattress more comfortable and gives it a more plush feeling. Because of my allergies it's together with the mattress in an anti-dustmite cover.
Casper
I bought a casper. I've never slept better and my back problems have ceased.
I bought a casper. I've never slept better and my back problems have ceased.
gyrafoam
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Solid foam rubber-----
always seemed to be the very best I ever slept on, but, I don't think anybody makes anything quite like that anymore unless custom made.
Jamison was the last I remember.
Most of the traditional American mattresses with springs come from the "three S'", Sealy,Serta, and Simmons. They own just about everybody else.
Biggest difference is in type of coils. Simmons uses "pocketed" coils which are smaller, so there are more of them.
Coil-count goes up based on the quality level.
All coil-counts are based on a "full" sized mattress because that was the most popular size when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
No matter what size of traditionally sprung mattress you get, a coil-count of 600 should be the starting point. Anything else is going to be an inferior product.
Today's units aren't made to flip. They are forcing everyone to replace them every five years which is the typical good life expectancy, anyway. It's just that they go bad so slowly you usually have to sleep on a newer one before you realize how bad your own has gotten.
If you weigh about 100# you could have it for years without a problem.
Otherwise, Gravity is working against it just like it works against us.
Anyone over 200# already knows that before long a cheap mattress is going to become a giant hot-dog bun with you in the middle.
The process of procuring a mattress is a shell-game almost as bad as toilet paper, although, toilet paper is much cheaper.
A mattress has HUGE Mark-up!
I don't care what any sales person says to me, I already know you can knock half the price off of a decent unit and still hold on to the commission,perks, and make a profit for the company.
Beware.
And don't think you can comparison shop because you won't find "apples to apples" comparisons on purpose. They just switch the names and fabric colors so you can't make an exact match from another store.
Forget about warranties. Somewhere in the fine print is a sentence that will "void" the warranty for anything you can imagine. If you are luck, in the first year, you might be able to pound the table and get them to pro rate the price on another over priced unit. They can't take the old one back.
Simmons is the real stand-out with their pocketed coils, but, you want to buy better than a MOL unit!
Serta's upper end stuff is very well built with the coils interconnected.
Sealy is kind of the "Whirlpool" of traditionally sprung units.
They take one of their better Posturepedic units, put better foam and fabric on it and slap a Sterns and Foster label on it. Then jack the price way up. Kind of like Amana to Maytag or Kitchen Aid.
My companion and I once bought a new King-Size TOL S&F unit direct from the warehouse for $200.00. (We knew a local rep. from Sealy.)
The exact same unit, under various model names and fabric colors was selling in local stores for around $3800.00 in 1996 dollars.
The local Sam's here in Roanoke sells Simmons for a somewhat lower price that the other stores, but, still tremendous Mark-up.
The mattress stores are always getting people in the door with $99.00 specials, which are laughable. People actually come through the door thinking that these are a "good bed for the kids".
They aren't thinking about the kids bodies forming in the shape of a pretzel. It's all about price.
Salespeople are known to say " oh sure, I will show you those "dog beds" right over here."
Just don't go through the door with a Consumer Reports in hand or they will know you are in idiot right off the bat.
Happy hunting. My best advice is to buy the highest coil-count for the best price and plan on replacing it in five years.
always seemed to be the very best I ever slept on, but, I don't think anybody makes anything quite like that anymore unless custom made.
Jamison was the last I remember.
Most of the traditional American mattresses with springs come from the "three S'", Sealy,Serta, and Simmons. They own just about everybody else.
Biggest difference is in type of coils. Simmons uses "pocketed" coils which are smaller, so there are more of them.
Coil-count goes up based on the quality level.
All coil-counts are based on a "full" sized mattress because that was the most popular size when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
No matter what size of traditionally sprung mattress you get, a coil-count of 600 should be the starting point. Anything else is going to be an inferior product.
Today's units aren't made to flip. They are forcing everyone to replace them every five years which is the typical good life expectancy, anyway. It's just that they go bad so slowly you usually have to sleep on a newer one before you realize how bad your own has gotten.
If you weigh about 100# you could have it for years without a problem.
Otherwise, Gravity is working against it just like it works against us.
Anyone over 200# already knows that before long a cheap mattress is going to become a giant hot-dog bun with you in the middle.
The process of procuring a mattress is a shell-game almost as bad as toilet paper, although, toilet paper is much cheaper.
A mattress has HUGE Mark-up!
I don't care what any sales person says to me, I already know you can knock half the price off of a decent unit and still hold on to the commission,perks, and make a profit for the company.
Beware.
And don't think you can comparison shop because you won't find "apples to apples" comparisons on purpose. They just switch the names and fabric colors so you can't make an exact match from another store.
Forget about warranties. Somewhere in the fine print is a sentence that will "void" the warranty for anything you can imagine. If you are luck, in the first year, you might be able to pound the table and get them to pro rate the price on another over priced unit. They can't take the old one back.
Simmons is the real stand-out with their pocketed coils, but, you want to buy better than a MOL unit!
Serta's upper end stuff is very well built with the coils interconnected.
Sealy is kind of the "Whirlpool" of traditionally sprung units.
They take one of their better Posturepedic units, put better foam and fabric on it and slap a Sterns and Foster label on it. Then jack the price way up. Kind of like Amana to Maytag or Kitchen Aid.
My companion and I once bought a new King-Size TOL S&F unit direct from the warehouse for $200.00. (We knew a local rep. from Sealy.)
The exact same unit, under various model names and fabric colors was selling in local stores for around $3800.00 in 1996 dollars.
The local Sam's here in Roanoke sells Simmons for a somewhat lower price that the other stores, but, still tremendous Mark-up.
The mattress stores are always getting people in the door with $99.00 specials, which are laughable. People actually come through the door thinking that these are a "good bed for the kids".
They aren't thinking about the kids bodies forming in the shape of a pretzel. It's all about price.
Salespeople are known to say " oh sure, I will show you those "dog beds" right over here."
Just don't go through the door with a Consumer Reports in hand or they will know you are in idiot right off the bat.
Happy hunting. My best advice is to buy the highest coil-count for the best price and plan on replacing it in five years.
sudsmaster
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Costco routinely has Sealy and S&F mattresses for reasonable prices.
I may be wrong, but the diagram on the sides of new Sealy mattresses at Costco shows individually pocketed coils.
The line I've read is that although newer mattresses are single-sided, the quality of the one-side padding is such that flipping the mattress is not needed anyway. I guess.
I may be wrong, but the diagram on the sides of new Sealy mattresses at Costco shows individually pocketed coils.
The line I've read is that although newer mattresses are single-sided, the quality of the one-side padding is such that flipping the mattress is not needed anyway. I guess.
If you want a two-sided mattress, they are readily available at Original Mattress Factory. Their advertising points this out.
Previously I had a Stearns & Foster twin mattress, and it was decent. It was purchased while S&F still had a plant in Cincinnati.
Previously I had a Stearns & Foster twin mattress, and it was decent. It was purchased while S&F still had a plant in Cincinnati.
rolls_rapide
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Of the beds I've slept in, over the decades, Sealy, Slumberland, and Myers, I'd say that Sealy is probably the best for me, for firmness and support.
The Slumberland was too soft, gave me a sore back. The Myers was better but still a bit soft.
I'm not convinced by those topper things, I find them far too sweaty.
I just use a traditional woollen blanket on top of the Sealy mattress, then I put a quilted fitted mattress protector (those ones with majority of polyester-cotton with polypropylene bonded backing) over that. Then the sheet on top.
Quite a comfy kip.
There's another competitor brand, Silentnight. They used to claim that with their system, there is no 'roll together'. They don't seem to use that advert anymore.
Oh, and I can't be doing with those pine-framed bedsteads. I keep clattering my bloody shins off them.
The Slumberland was too soft, gave me a sore back. The Myers was better but still a bit soft.
I'm not convinced by those topper things, I find them far too sweaty.
I just use a traditional woollen blanket on top of the Sealy mattress, then I put a quilted fitted mattress protector (those ones with majority of polyester-cotton with polypropylene bonded backing) over that. Then the sheet on top.
Quite a comfy kip.
There's another competitor brand, Silentnight. They used to claim that with their system, there is no 'roll together'. They don't seem to use that advert anymore.
Oh, and I can't be doing with those pine-framed bedsteads. I keep clattering my bloody shins off them.
So much information, so many views, it should not be this hard.
I've been using the double Sleep Number mattress for a week or so now, not bad. I bought it for my dad because it was a single bladder style, no divider in the middle, and that is a big plus. It's a good stop gap and takes the pressure off rushing out to buy something though I do have 3 others to chose from in the house. I will explore some of the new foam mattresses and I want to check out a hybrid Latex/ coil mattress if any of the stores have one around me.
Art Van was where I bought the last few sets, but they are gone, no Costco near by, but we do have a few Sam's in the area, plus Macy's and a few smaller retailers. Never felt I could trust some of the mattress stores like Mattress Firm or US what ever, not sure of the quality. Gotta say I hate this...
I've been using the double Sleep Number mattress for a week or so now, not bad. I bought it for my dad because it was a single bladder style, no divider in the middle, and that is a big plus. It's a good stop gap and takes the pressure off rushing out to buy something though I do have 3 others to chose from in the house. I will explore some of the new foam mattresses and I want to check out a hybrid Latex/ coil mattress if any of the stores have one around me.
Art Van was where I bought the last few sets, but they are gone, no Costco near by, but we do have a few Sam's in the area, plus Macy's and a few smaller retailers. Never felt I could trust some of the mattress stores like Mattress Firm or US what ever, not sure of the quality. Gotta say I hate this...
So, what about Ikea mattresses? Overhere in the NL they sell good ones for a reasonable price. I don't know if the US versions are similar. The sizes are completely different ofcourse.
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/cat/mattresses-bm002/
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/cat/mattresses-bm002/
I'm not a rough and tumble sleeper...usually can't even tell I've been in the bed. I keep a comforter on my waterbed year round and it stays tucked in on 3 sides. When I slip out of the bed I just flip the comforter back over the spot I came out of. No making the bed everyday because it stays made. Eddie, I also have always used flat sheets on my waterbed. I got one set of waterbed sheets back in the 80's and I hated them. I always use a satin flat sheet on the bottom too because otherwise I end up like a mummy when I turn over because everything tries to go with me. With the satin bottom sheet I can just give a little oomph and flip right over no problem. I bought a 100% cotton filled quilt on ebay several years ago to use as a mattress pad. The cotton breathes well, protects the water bag, and helps with insulation along with the top comforter. My bed was built out of 2x10's and 1/2 inch plywood. My first one in 1984 had particle board for the pedestal. Mine is much stronger.
rolls_rapide
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The late British comedienne, Victoria Wood, once made a joke about winceyette nighties and flannelette sheets, with the result being that you'd effectively be velcroed into the bed, unable to move.
mayken4now
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Take it from a man WHO knows.
Listen to the springs. Coil none the less. Pay attention to the comfort and noise. It makes a world of difference. All this foam and micro fiber stuff is for a waiting climate. The climate is not in stores.
Listen to the springs. Coil none the less. Pay attention to the comfort and noise. It makes a world of difference. All this foam and micro fiber stuff is for a waiting climate. The climate is not in stores.
vacerator
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My step
daughter has an expensive king size orthopoedic set. She says it's the best! I think it's by Simmons, or Serta. Then she told me she when she was concieved, it was on a night her mom had been out drinking with friends at a bar, She was dancing on the fire truck inside it, and making out with the indian chief manequin. Her best friend wanted her named Matreesse. They were hair dressers. She came home a blonde that night.
daughter has an expensive king size orthopoedic set. She says it's the best! I think it's by Simmons, or Serta. Then she told me she when she was concieved, it was on a night her mom had been out drinking with friends at a bar, She was dancing on the fire truck inside it, and making out with the indian chief manequin. Her best friend wanted her named Matreesse. They were hair dressers. She came home a blonde that night.
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