Maytag A-806S problem splashing water going into spin cycle

[retromachineman]

Anyone had a problem with water spashing over the tub as the machine starts it'sspin cycle. The machine is a Maytag A-806S and I replaced the hoses, belts, lubed the motor slides, leveled the machine, checked for plugged drain. Everything works as it should except I can watch the water splash over the tub during the beginning of the spin cycles. I think it may have to do with the clutch or brake, a weak pump, although I was told they either work or they don't. I can't figure this one out and if anyone has experienced and fixed this problem then I'd like to know. I love this machine and want to keep it going for as long as I can.

 

[tomturbomatic]

If you are talking about water slopping over the balance ring of the inner tub for maybe half a minute at the 9 o'clock position, that's normal. If it's going over the top of the outer tub and onto the floor, that's a problem.

 

[akronman]

normal

My 608 'Tag has always done that on high water level, I think it simply gets nearly up to speed while the pump works properly, but just not fast enough to get all that water out quickly enough. On MED water level, not an issue. Since my GE ff and my 1-18 behave the exact same at the very start of spinout when fully loaded, I always assumed it's normal.  The water stays entirely inside the tub and basket, there's no leaks, it simply rains down on the clothes for the first 1/4 of spinout time.

 

 

[yogitunes]

if it's doing what the other guys have said, running over the balance ring, and flushing the clothes with water........your machine is cleaning itself, thoroughly!

IT'S A GOOD THING!!!!!

the machines mentioned---Frigidaires 1-18, GE FilterFlo, and the Maytags...to name a few that do this sort of spin drain......never seem to have a scum build up, mold, musty issue.......

 

[combo52]

Spin Draining With Perforated Basket Washers

This Has often been a problem when the water keeps sloshing over the clothes over and over again your clothing end up filtering out lint and scum from the dirty water that is trying to leave the machine. This can in bad cases leave streaks of lint and scum deposited on dark clothing. On MT DC and Frigidaire 1-18 washers this effect can vary a little depending on the belt adjustment and condition on the MTs and the clutch condition and adjustment on the 1-18s, this is the reason that the 1-18s start pumping out and spinning on the low speed of the motor as it causes less lint redepositing. MT never did much about this problem until they redesigned the tub ring and cover and made it plastic, this design change really helped minimize this problem. It is interesting if you read the MT literature for the NorgeTag models they explain that these models will give you cleaner and better rinsed clothes than there perious machines because the NorgeTags have fewer holes in the wash basket sides and a stronger water pump to pull the dirty water out of the machine faster without sloshing over the tub as they drain.

 

GE partially solved this problem by changing the hole pattern in the sides of the wash baskets on FF models and Norge washers did a partial drain without spinning which pretty much eliminated this problem of lint redepositing.

 

The best washers for draining dirty water away from clothing are usually Front Loading machines that tumble as they drain and have large holes in their baskets.

 

The best TL washers are the machines that neutral drain, which is why when WP introduced the DD washers and tried to save money by making them spin drain they had to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to make them neutral drain as people were demanding their old machines performance back. When GE changed to the new plastic tub models around 1995 their performance in regard to lint and balance problems almost completely went away. This is why every TL washer ever built that had the ability to neutral drain does so.

 

[retromachineman]

clarification of problem

The water is going over the outter tub and onto the floor during the beginning of the spin/ drain cycle. The settings are small, medium, normal and large. It goes over the tub on normal or large loads only. I don't overload it either. Like I said, there's nothing plugged, kinked, new belts. It didn't used to do it and it started about 6 months ago.
I appreciate your input.

 

[swestoyz]

Was it spilling over before you did anything to the belts or the motor glide?

 

[retromachineman]

Yes it was splashing over the outer tube before I replaced the belts, hoses and lubed motor glides. If I can't figure it out and fix it I can at least run small and medium loads just fine.

 

[yogitunes]

just for a test.....take off the main belt to the tranny......fill the empty machine to the largest setting with water......then, set it to SPIN, and TIME IT, the tub should empty in about 60 to 80 seconds, if it is taking longer than that, there might be something blocking or slowing down the flow of water, at that point you might want to start at the outter tub to pump hose, and follow the route to the standpipe/sink to check for build up of lint or something causing the sluggish pumpout....

this link, courtesy of our RedCapetDrew, shows a video of how fast it should pump out with a load.....it starts at 3:55 and the tub is empty by 5:10.....and this is a large capacity machine with a full level of water and clothes...

 

[joefuss1984]

pump times

Do these times hold true for the newer Maytags as well?  A little off subject but my problem is that pump out is slow, doesn't slosh over the outer tub but spray rinsing starts before tub is emptied.

 

[yogitunes]

It should.....the tubs are the same size, the bigger opening is an illusion, and its the same pumps used.......

I have only seen one, but there are pumps for the Maytags, to replace the original, that allow more volume of water for machines that have to pump higher, such as a basement location....

 

[combo52]

MT Washer leaking when spinning

Take the front off the washer and remove the screws that hold the top of the washer down and run the washer this way and see exactly where the water is leaking. The leak likely has nothing to due with how fast the water is leaving the washers tub as these washers can spin all day with the drain pumped blocked and never leak a drop. You likely have a leak around the tub cover gasket or where the water fills through the { U } shaped hose as it wears and gets loose where it attaches to the tub cover.

 

All MT Helical washers use the same water pump, there was a different motor pulley that was larger in diameter for the pump drive which turned the pump faster which caused a faster and higher lift of water exiting the washer.

 

[retromachineman]

One thing I noticed was that water is being pushed out of the bleach fill area during the drain/spin cycle. The water then runs down the top cover into the tub and some of the water is landing on the top of the outer tub and splashing over the side as the machine vibrates. Next I will plug the bleach bottle top and try running the machine. I noticed in the Maytag video that water didn't come up from the bleach bottle as it drained and my machine does push water out of the bottle.
I also notice the pivoting base is not moving freely, I tipped the machince on it's back and applied light oil into the pivot area and now it's worse. Do I have to pull off the springs and pulley to seperate the pivot and apply and heavy bearing grease?