I've been using an A107 for over 2 years now. Never an issue. Even lace curtains and table cloths have come out fine. LOVE my Maytag!
Maytag A806 very hard on clothing
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I've been using an A107 for over 2 years now. Never an issue. Even lace curtains and table cloths have come out fine. LOVE my Maytag!
beekeyknee
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You all keep talking about hydrofloric acid which are considered relatively weak acids. Hydrochloric acids, on the othe hand, are a different story (also known as muriatic acid). They are very strong and should be used in a ventilated area. They are good for cleaning mineral deposits and uric acid build-up off of old vitreous china toilet bowels and tanks and make them run like new again.
I only put the bowel and tank minus the metal parts on a piece of plywood for cleaning. The acid will eat through gravel, concrete and will kill grass. Use a toilet swab and gloves, hold your breath while applying and run away tell the fumes die down, then go back for more applications. After the parts have been cleaned, especially inside the rim and the trap, you can spray everything down with water. Anyone who's restored an old toilet already knows this.
I'd never use this type of acid on porcelain, a sink or tub. It will ruin it.
I only put the bowel and tank minus the metal parts on a piece of plywood for cleaning. The acid will eat through gravel, concrete and will kill grass. Use a toilet swab and gloves, hold your breath while applying and run away tell the fumes die down, then go back for more applications. After the parts have been cleaned, especially inside the rim and the trap, you can spray everything down with water. Anyone who's restored an old toilet already knows this.
I'd never use this type of acid on porcelain, a sink or tub. It will ruin it.
Don't underestimate Hydrofluric acid!In concentrated form it is VERY dangerous.It can cause spontanoius reactions with any organic material-causing it to catch fire or explode!If you get burned by this stuff-it can burn flesh down to the bone in a hurry!Handle Hydrofluric acid CAREFULLY!!!!!The fumes are very dangerous,too-it can burn your lungs and sinuses in a hurry as well.BAD STUFF!!!!Remember it in chemstry class-of course in chemestry class these days bet students will have NO encounters with the main three acids and Hydrofluric acid.Main use was for etching glass-used to be used to etch the inside of light bulbs.
My apologies for continuing the off topic discussion.
Hydrochloric acid won't etch glass. It does indeed react vigorously with the calcium in concrete which is why it is a common etchant for concrete. Hydrochloric acid (and Hydrogen Chloride) are common ingredients in toilet bowl cleaners, The ZEP bowl cleaner lists concentration as 5-10% on the MSDS, so I think its safe on porcelain.
Rex is right about Hydrofluoric acid, it is wicked stuff. It is more poisonous and reacts with skin more aggressively when other acids. It is a bit odd because it doesn't attack steel and other metals as aggressively as other acids. It does attack oxides and silicates, which is why it dissolves glass.
Back somewhat on topic, I seriously doubt that pouring a cup of vinegar into a top load washer tub could ever cause harm to the porcelain, unless it was left there a long while. Belt buckles, zippers and clothing rivets are a different story!
Hydrochloric acid won't etch glass. It does indeed react vigorously with the calcium in concrete which is why it is a common etchant for concrete. Hydrochloric acid (and Hydrogen Chloride) are common ingredients in toilet bowl cleaners, The ZEP bowl cleaner lists concentration as 5-10% on the MSDS, so I think its safe on porcelain.
Rex is right about Hydrofluoric acid, it is wicked stuff. It is more poisonous and reacts with skin more aggressively when other acids. It is a bit odd because it doesn't attack steel and other metals as aggressively as other acids. It does attack oxides and silicates, which is why it dissolves glass.
Back somewhat on topic, I seriously doubt that pouring a cup of vinegar into a top load washer tub could ever cause harm to the porcelain, unless it was left there a long while. Belt buckles, zippers and clothing rivets are a different story!
I am with KB0nes-Acetic acid is quite weak-I can't beleive it could attack porclean washer drums-unless it was left for a VERY long time-and it would have to be the concentrated Glacial stuff at that.The big three acids--Hydrochloric,Sulphuric,and nitric are rough on metals-but not glass and similar materials.But Hydrofluric is a different matter.In the class the stuff was handled in the fume hood!And we couldn't put it in the drains in the school-the chemlab drain pipes were GLASS!!!Had to be put in a poly bottle for special waste handling--this was high school???Oh yes-mix hydrochloric acid and nitric-you get Aqua-Regia-this stuff dissolves gold and platinum!With gold makes a pretty golden solution-used for gold plating and purifying gold.Guess,back to Maytags-the chem part was interesting!
I remember in chemistry class the teacher coated the bottom of a glass dish with wax and then wrote our school initials in it with a stylus. She put this over a container with hydrofluoric acid and left it overnight. The next morning, we had the initials etched into the glass.
Porcelains can be formulated in different ways. Some are more acid resistant that others. John has shown me washer tubs rusted out from soaking diapers overnight and that's just uric acid diluted in water. Don't let me stop anyone from using acid on porcelain. I was only trying to save the washer tub. I have seen machines junked with the little tell-tale orange crescents in the bottom of the tub holes that would leave rust spots on clothing. Often they resulted from people adding vinegar to the rinse and then not rinsing again.
Porcelains can be formulated in different ways. Some are more acid resistant that others. John has shown me washer tubs rusted out from soaking diapers overnight and that's just uric acid diluted in water. Don't let me stop anyone from using acid on porcelain. I was only trying to save the washer tub. I have seen machines junked with the little tell-tale orange crescents in the bottom of the tub holes that would leave rust spots on clothing. Often they resulted from people adding vinegar to the rinse and then not rinsing again.
The well water at my house is extremely hard with lots of iron. Since moving in 20 years ago, I have put a little Iron Out with the fabric softner in the dispenser of my Maytag and never had a problem with any tub issues. I need to run some Iron Out thru my dishwasher again as I can see rust stains starting to form. Some idiot cleaning company used muratic acid on the showroom floor of the local Ford dealership that caused thousands in damages and the smell lingered for months.
macboy91si
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Wearing down...
I've also noticed that the Maytag tubs seemed to be very susceptible to friction wear. I've picked up several that were very dull nearer the bottom of the tub, which to me would indicate more along the lines of abrasion than anything. Either way I can't imagine a dull porcelain inner-basket with water in it damaging clothes. I'm using an early 80's Kenmore BD portable with a 1.5cf tub. I overload it but no damage to anything in over 3 months of use, and that thing has a small diameter and tall FIXED agitator fins.
But then again, as a family, we've also never had a WP/KM DD (aka. ShredMore) do any damage to anything that wasn't already on it's way out. Depending on the clothes you buy, some just don't hold up regardless of the washer you use. I've had newer (less than a year old) pants that just sort of dry-rot/tear after a while, but the weakness was with the fabrics breakdown not the washer. My roommate had this happen with some of his vegan clothing at our old house where there were 4 washers hooked up.
We may never know...
Tim
I've also noticed that the Maytag tubs seemed to be very susceptible to friction wear. I've picked up several that were very dull nearer the bottom of the tub, which to me would indicate more along the lines of abrasion than anything. Either way I can't imagine a dull porcelain inner-basket with water in it damaging clothes. I'm using an early 80's Kenmore BD portable with a 1.5cf tub. I overload it but no damage to anything in over 3 months of use, and that thing has a small diameter and tall FIXED agitator fins.
But then again, as a family, we've also never had a WP/KM DD (aka. ShredMore) do any damage to anything that wasn't already on it's way out. Depending on the clothes you buy, some just don't hold up regardless of the washer you use. I've had newer (less than a year old) pants that just sort of dry-rot/tear after a while, but the weakness was with the fabrics breakdown not the washer. My roommate had this happen with some of his vegan clothing at our old house where there were 4 washers hooked up.
We may never know...
Tim
