smartdrive1100
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Just wondering where can I get a kit, I’ve done searches but can only find orbital ones.
Could I use an orbital one in a helical?.
Could I use an orbital one in a helical?.
Maytag helical liner kit
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Maytag Helical Liner Kit ??
I have no idea what you are looking for.
John L.
I have no idea what you are looking for.
John L.
eurekastar
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transmission gasket?
smartdrive1100
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I probably wasn’t clear at all… I was extremely tired
The seller said that the repairman broke the nut holding the tub in and it would need a new bearing liner kit (I have no idea what it is)
Here is a photo of the damage:
The seller said that the repairman broke the nut holding the tub in and it would need a new bearing liner kit (I have no idea what it is)
Here is a photo of the damage:
Here is a complete kit:
https://lorainfurniture.com/shop/ap...-washing-machine-tub-seal-bearing-rebuid-kit/
This kit is the bearing (sleeve bearing) which I suppose could be a “liner” and the seal, tool, and fresh belts.
If you need just the seal:
https://lorainfurniture.com/shop/ap...l-kit-6-2095720-ps2351899-ap4390013-22001648/
https://lorainfurniture.com/shop/ap...-washing-machine-tub-seal-bearing-rebuid-kit/
This kit is the bearing (sleeve bearing) which I suppose could be a “liner” and the seal, tool, and fresh belts.
If you need just the seal:
https://lorainfurniture.com/shop/ap...l-kit-6-2095720-ps2351899-ap4390013-22001648/
smartdrive1100
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Thanks Eugene!
I’ll send a photo of the inside of the machine and get your thoughts, just to be clear I haven’t bought the machine yet (they are wanting $100 for it!).
I’ll send a photo of the inside of the machine and get your thoughts, just to be clear I haven’t bought the machine yet (they are wanting $100 for it!).
smartdrive1100
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More photos
Here is the model number and a few more photos
Here is the model number and a few more photos
That definitely smacks of being a machine designed for a shared use situation, and the misuse shows in the area that needs repair.
Unless genuine Maytags are super scarce in Oz, I think you can do a lot better for $100.
Unless genuine Maytags are super scarce in Oz, I think you can do a lot better for $100.
smartdrive1100
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Aren’t that scarce in Melbourne
I tried offering them $40 (even that is a stretch for me) but they said they wouldn’t go that low.
Also one bolt has snapped that is for that clamp that holds the top part of the tub on.
The grime was another thing, I don’t get how people can sell dirty and/or rusty machines.
I tried offering them $40 (even that is a stretch for me) but they said they wouldn’t go that low.
Also one bolt has snapped that is for that clamp that holds the top part of the tub on.
The grime was another thing, I don’t get how people can sell dirty and/or rusty machines.
Built in January, 1985.
It's a small capacity tub, and being a commercial laundromat machine, you have very little control and flexibility.
You may want to hold out for a residential machine with a large capacity tub and at least a 2 speed motor.
It's a small capacity tub, and being a commercial laundromat machine, you have very little control and flexibility.
You may want to hold out for a residential machine with a large capacity tub and at least a 2 speed motor.
smartdrive1100
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I don’t do much washing
I don’t really mind not having the flexibility of a 2 speed motor and choosing water temperatures, etc.
I really do like the look of the commercial Maytags over the standard home ones.
We mainly get the orbitals for sale in Melbourne, the helical are a lot rarer in Australia but there is at least one for sale.
I don’t really mind not having the flexibility of a 2 speed motor and choosing water temperatures, etc.
I really do like the look of the commercial Maytags over the standard home ones.
We mainly get the orbitals for sale in Melbourne, the helical are a lot rarer in Australia but there is at least one for sale.
smartdrive1100
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I don’t think Australia got the large capacity machines at that time, we did in the orbitals but I’m not sure about the helical.
Lot o' money for a broken washer.
smartdrive1100
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1985 Maytag Commercial Washer
This could be a good machine for $100 if you like it, I also liked the look of the commercial models.
That said this machine needs a lot of work, just to start the transmission agitator shaft is so badly rusted you are very likely to need another transmission.
Maybe try finding another DC MT for a parts machine and make one out of two.
Note, all two belt MT washers are helical drive, it seems you are looking for the older pitman transmission models, in the US MT changed to the orbital transmission around 1990.
John
This could be a good machine for $100 if you like it, I also liked the look of the commercial models.
That said this machine needs a lot of work, just to start the transmission agitator shaft is so badly rusted you are very likely to need another transmission.
Maybe try finding another DC MT for a parts machine and make one out of two.
Note, all two belt MT washers are helical drive, it seems you are looking for the older pitman transmission models, in the US MT changed to the orbital transmission around 1990.
John
smartdrive1100
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Rust is nothing for WD-40
WD-40 is awesome for rusty parts (surface rust) just as you never use it as a lubricant as it is a degreaser.
$100 for a Maytag in this condition is a lot, I found a Maytag A9400 on the kerb and it was in better condition than this(just needed new belts), got rid of the machine as the bearings completely failed.
WD-40 is awesome for rusty parts (surface rust) just as you never use it as a lubricant as it is a degreaser.
$100 for a Maytag in this condition is a lot, I found a Maytag A9400 on the kerb and it was in better condition than this(just needed new belts), got rid of the machine as the bearings completely failed.
I’m not sure but for some reason I remember hearing that speed queen machines are pretty expensive down under.
That said, it would be worth dismantling it first to see what’s salvageable. Like John said, if the agitator shaft is rotted out you’ll have to go through quite a bit to repair it as new ones are not really available.
If all looks ok, any one of the links I provided above would work.
I don’t think $100 is outrageous, I probably would buy it as I can resell coin units for around $500-600 in working condition
That said, it would be worth dismantling it first to see what’s salvageable. Like John said, if the agitator shaft is rotted out you’ll have to go through quite a bit to repair it as new ones are not really available.
If all looks ok, any one of the links I provided above would work.
I don’t think $100 is outrageous, I probably would buy it as I can resell coin units for around $500-600 in working condition
smartdrive1100
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Speed queens cost a lot
They cost about $2,000-2,500, that’s why we use Fisher and paykel.
I don’t think I am prepared to spend $100 on a questionable machine, they did say it washed fine but the tub wouldn’t spin at all.
I’ve learned a lot about online shopping and how things look way better than what they are, I bought a Maytag Neptune that had bad bearings tried replacing them but the tub shaft had fused itself to the bearings and there was no hope of replacing the bearings, sadly said goodbye to that machine.
They cost about $2,000-2,500, that’s why we use Fisher and paykel.
I don’t think I am prepared to spend $100 on a questionable machine, they did say it washed fine but the tub wouldn’t spin at all.
I’ve learned a lot about online shopping and how things look way better than what they are, I bought a Maytag Neptune that had bad bearings tried replacing them but the tub shaft had fused itself to the bearings and there was no hope of replacing the bearings, sadly said goodbye to that machine.
Old Simpsons are sort of an Aussie Maytag, if you like that sort of thing.
Wilkins Servis too, they even had stainless steel tubs with Maytag mechanicals.
They aren't exactly common but they do turn up regularly on Gumtree.
Wilkins Servis too, they even had stainless steel tubs with Maytag mechanicals.
They aren't exactly common but they do turn up regularly on Gumtree.
smartdrive1100
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I’d love a Simpson fluid drive
I’d rather have a Simpson fluid driver over a Maytag, just that they have disappeared.
I’d rather have a Simpson fluid driver over a Maytag, just that they have disappeared.
smartdrive1100
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I’ve never seen a Wilkins service on gumtree
All I can find on gumtree are simpsons from the 80s and overpriced maytags, never seen a 50s Simpson or a Wilkins service.
All I can find on gumtree are simpsons from the 80s and overpriced maytags, never seen a 50s Simpson or a Wilkins service.
It's Servis not service - this matters because if you spell it wrong, you won't get a match when you search.
It's the 1980s Simpsons I was referring to - the large capacity models appear to based on a Maytag, though the transmission is Simpson's own design. The basket mount and agitator shaft look the same as the Maytag bits in your photos above. I have no proof but I believe that Simpson must have had a Maytag out the back when they designed the 144 series.
I'm not recommending these machines, in fact I don't really like them, but if that is what you like, you need to look patiently for a long time and they do turn up occasionally.
If you like the large simple American-style washing machines, the Australian-made Hoover 500, 600 or 700 series were great washing machines, in my opinion better than a Simpson, Maytag or Wilkins Servis. They were based on a US Blackstone washing machine, but became more unique to Australia with every model revision. They wash really well, are very durable and are out there still in SMALL numbers. The old belt-drive Whirlpools were made here too, are very long-lived and still show up on Gumtree from time to time. Collectible washing machines aren't on Gumtree every week, and when they do show up they may be frustratingly far away from you, but keep waiting and looking, they are still out there but you have to be patient and diligent.
here's a Whirlpool:
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/raz...utomatic-whirlpool-washing-machine/1257896796
Here's a Hoover 720:
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/sun...hoover-washing-machine-model-a6092/1291628598
The Hoover 720 is in Suburban Melbourne, looks in good nick, possible rusty drum near agitator?(see photos) but if I were you I'd run and grab this washer. The rust looks only superficial and could be repaired with advice from others on this website. Run run run and get this washer....
It's the 1980s Simpsons I was referring to - the large capacity models appear to based on a Maytag, though the transmission is Simpson's own design. The basket mount and agitator shaft look the same as the Maytag bits in your photos above. I have no proof but I believe that Simpson must have had a Maytag out the back when they designed the 144 series.
I'm not recommending these machines, in fact I don't really like them, but if that is what you like, you need to look patiently for a long time and they do turn up occasionally.
If you like the large simple American-style washing machines, the Australian-made Hoover 500, 600 or 700 series were great washing machines, in my opinion better than a Simpson, Maytag or Wilkins Servis. They were based on a US Blackstone washing machine, but became more unique to Australia with every model revision. They wash really well, are very durable and are out there still in SMALL numbers. The old belt-drive Whirlpools were made here too, are very long-lived and still show up on Gumtree from time to time. Collectible washing machines aren't on Gumtree every week, and when they do show up they may be frustratingly far away from you, but keep waiting and looking, they are still out there but you have to be patient and diligent.
here's a Whirlpool:
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/raz...utomatic-whirlpool-washing-machine/1257896796
Here's a Hoover 720:
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/sun...hoover-washing-machine-model-a6092/1291628598
The Hoover 720 is in Suburban Melbourne, looks in good nick, possible rusty drum near agitator?(see photos) but if I were you I'd run and grab this washer. The rust looks only superficial and could be repaired with advice from others on this website. Run run run and get this washer....
smartdrive1100
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Autocorrect…
Do the Hoovers have metal outer tubs?
I am aiming towards an all metal machine, like a Maytag or whirlpool belt drive(I did find that one in razorback, the only issue is that it was in razorback)
Do the Hoovers have metal outer tubs?
I am aiming towards an all metal machine, like a Maytag or whirlpool belt drive(I did find that one in razorback, the only issue is that it was in razorback)
The Hoover 500 series and 600 series have enamelled steel outer tub.
The 700 and later have the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">improvement</span> of a plastic outer tub.
I just don't get this nostalgia for steel outer tubs. The enamel chips and they rust. The bolt holes can leak. The plastic outer tubs never ever fail. The Hoover plastic ones are strong and durable.
I have a vague recollection that they upgraded the top bearing when they changed to plastic tub, but I might be wrong about that, it is many years since I owned one.
The 500 series (blue trim) had a belt-driven pump, it would spin as it drains. The clutch allows some slipping so it only gets up to full speed when it has emptied most of the water, but they were a bit prone to getting out of balance on small loads. The pump is unique to 500 and 600 series, spare ones would be rare by now. (I think I have a used one spare...)
600 series was basically the same as 500 but changed to mustard colour trim and added a weird water level operated brake to hold the tub still while pumping out until the water level had dropped, then it would release and spin.
700 series looks very similar to 600 series but changed to a simple electric pump so that spin didn't start until pump had emptied the tub. 700 series introduced the plastic outer tub. The pump in the 700 series is a simple electric pump, easily replaced by a generic one, it doesn't have to be an exact replica of the original. The same pump was used in Hoover Zodiac and Electra front loaders, so they were very common and though obsolete now, were durable and are probably still easily found second hand. I would have one or two.
As far as I'm concerned, the 700 series is definitely the best of them, it fixed some issues with the earlier ones.
Later the 800 started the process of cheapening the machines. Lightweight plastic tops and lids prone to cracking, for example.
That Whirlpool would be all enamelled steel inner and outer. (but it's a long way from you.)
The 700 and later have the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">improvement</span> of a plastic outer tub.
I just don't get this nostalgia for steel outer tubs. The enamel chips and they rust. The bolt holes can leak. The plastic outer tubs never ever fail. The Hoover plastic ones are strong and durable.
I have a vague recollection that they upgraded the top bearing when they changed to plastic tub, but I might be wrong about that, it is many years since I owned one.
The 500 series (blue trim) had a belt-driven pump, it would spin as it drains. The clutch allows some slipping so it only gets up to full speed when it has emptied most of the water, but they were a bit prone to getting out of balance on small loads. The pump is unique to 500 and 600 series, spare ones would be rare by now. (I think I have a used one spare...)
600 series was basically the same as 500 but changed to mustard colour trim and added a weird water level operated brake to hold the tub still while pumping out until the water level had dropped, then it would release and spin.
700 series looks very similar to 600 series but changed to a simple electric pump so that spin didn't start until pump had emptied the tub. 700 series introduced the plastic outer tub. The pump in the 700 series is a simple electric pump, easily replaced by a generic one, it doesn't have to be an exact replica of the original. The same pump was used in Hoover Zodiac and Electra front loaders, so they were very common and though obsolete now, were durable and are probably still easily found second hand. I would have one or two.
As far as I'm concerned, the 700 series is definitely the best of them, it fixed some issues with the earlier ones.
Later the 800 started the process of cheapening the machines. Lightweight plastic tops and lids prone to cracking, for example.
That Whirlpool would be all enamelled steel inner and outer. (but it's a long way from you.)
smartdrive1100
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Thanks gizmo
I’ve found a Hoover 620 that is really close to me, if it decides to rust out, I’ll always have my Cleansmart.
Is the suspension hung? Or is it some other way?
I’ve found a Hoover 620 that is really close to me, if it decides to rust out, I’ll always have my Cleansmart.
Is the suspension hung? Or is it some other way?
smartdrive1100
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Here’s the Facebook link for the Hoover
It seems pretty rust and not in the best condition
Also more photos
Wanting $150, but I think I could get it for less.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplac...ghtspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
It seems pretty rust and not in the best condition
Also more photos
Wanting $150, but I think I could get it for less.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplac...ghtspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
Australian Hoover washing machine
Me if you get this machine keep in mind that we have a huge stash of Blackstone parts that came from Fred up in Massachusetts we might have parts that you could use if you have to do any serious repairs on it.
John L
Me if you get this machine keep in mind that we have a huge stash of Blackstone parts that came from Fred up in Massachusetts we might have parts that you could use if you have to do any serious repairs on it.
John L
The suspension is not hung. (Bit of a personal question, isn't it?
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Mounted from underneath with three springs - like a Simpson, Maytag, I think Speed Queen too? They're very tolerant of out of balance, in fact most of them don't have an out of balance cut-out, they just spin a bit slower but still complete the wash. fuss free washers, they just get on with the job. I think the 800 series might have had an OOB cut out???
The 720 I listed is in better condition and is only asking $50, why would you spend $150 on a rough 620?
Mounted from underneath with three springs - like a Simpson, Maytag, I think Speed Queen too? They're very tolerant of out of balance, in fact most of them don't have an out of balance cut-out, they just spin a bit slower but still complete the wash. fuss free washers, they just get on with the job. I think the 800 series might have had an OOB cut out???
The 720 I listed is in better condition and is only asking $50, why would you spend $150 on a rough 620?
smartdrive1100
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The 650 is closer to me, by a fair bit.
I will probably ask if I could get the 620 for a lower price.
I like having a machine that isn’t 100%, it just gives me something to do, also the reason on why I wanted to get the Maytag, but the Maytag was too far gone imo.
I’ve never had a Hoover top load before so there will be a lot of learning to do, but I’ll probably do a full budget restoration on it
I will probably ask if I could get the 620 for a lower price.
I like having a machine that isn’t 100%, it just gives me something to do, also the reason on why I wanted to get the Maytag, but the Maytag was too far gone imo.
I’ve never had a Hoover top load before so there will be a lot of learning to do, but I’ll probably do a full budget restoration on it
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