Same here, Ken. A GE FF a friend of mine had would walk as far as the water supply hoses would allow it to. As I said above, even when I wanted to move my Maytag 206, it was hard to make it budge.
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beekeyknee
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John,
When will you ever quit disseminating false information? I had one of these early shreadmores and my mother had one from the early '80. They were installed properly. I've known other people that have had them too. Same problems. Those self-leveling legs didn't work. They had to be greased and if the floor was very unlevel in the back, then you were out of luck. No auto shut off. Plastic outer tubs. Light weight. Always banging around. Noisy.
I will grant you, the early belt drive Kenmores were good machines. Locking legs, heavy, auto shutoff with buzzer and many other great features. The later ones - sorry, nothing. Couldn't even get the damn things apart w/o taking the whole cabinet off.
The Maytags I put in for myself, my mother and my nephew haven't moved an inch. Granted, they're not perfect machines but they don't dance all around, knock things over, end up in the middle of the floor and cause general mayhem.
I've always wondered why you dislike Maytag so much. Did they screw you over? Did you loose money on them? Did one of them pinch your finger? Or you got shocked?
Being a tech in the field, I'm sure you know that installing a machine back into some kind of little alcove or laundry closet is very hard to do, but self-leveling legs on the back of washers don't work well either. All least they don't on those late Kenmores. And other than the things mentioned above, just where does your loathing come from? Many, many of us would like to know, because frankly we're tired of hearing it (trust me I know because I've talked to many). Do you know that you run off members, especially paying members, just because of a personal vendetta or belief of yours? Isn't that self defeating and bad for the site? I don't agree with everything that's said on here, but I don't drone on about it for years, on one particular brand or one particular subject.
So, if you would like to do us all a favor, tone it way down (if you're capable)and explain yourself, if you care to, we would all greatly appreciate it.
Thank you.
B.[this post was last edited: 1/22/2017-16:27]
When will you ever quit disseminating false information? I had one of these early shreadmores and my mother had one from the early '80. They were installed properly. I've known other people that have had them too. Same problems. Those self-leveling legs didn't work. They had to be greased and if the floor was very unlevel in the back, then you were out of luck. No auto shut off. Plastic outer tubs. Light weight. Always banging around. Noisy.
I will grant you, the early belt drive Kenmores were good machines. Locking legs, heavy, auto shutoff with buzzer and many other great features. The later ones - sorry, nothing. Couldn't even get the damn things apart w/o taking the whole cabinet off.
The Maytags I put in for myself, my mother and my nephew haven't moved an inch. Granted, they're not perfect machines but they don't dance all around, knock things over, end up in the middle of the floor and cause general mayhem.
I've always wondered why you dislike Maytag so much. Did they screw you over? Did you loose money on them? Did one of them pinch your finger? Or you got shocked?
Being a tech in the field, I'm sure you know that installing a machine back into some kind of little alcove or laundry closet is very hard to do, but self-leveling legs on the back of washers don't work well either. All least they don't on those late Kenmores. And other than the things mentioned above, just where does your loathing come from? Many, many of us would like to know, because frankly we're tired of hearing it (trust me I know because I've talked to many). Do you know that you run off members, especially paying members, just because of a personal vendetta or belief of yours? Isn't that self defeating and bad for the site? I don't agree with everything that's said on here, but I don't drone on about it for years, on one particular brand or one particular subject.
So, if you would like to do us all a favor, tone it way down (if you're capable)and explain yourself, if you care to, we would all greatly appreciate it.
Thank you.
B.[this post was last edited: 1/22/2017-16:27]
Brain, Wow, there is not a single word in my statement that is untrue or unfair.
Every year we get at least a 3 dozen calls for MTs that are walking all over the laundry room [ easily more than all other TL washer walking calls combined ], Yes most were not installed properly with the lock nuts tightened on all four feet, or the floor is very unlevel or other wise weak. And we spend a 1/2 hour leveling and tightening [ and prying those crappy hard rubber caps off the feet and reinstalling them ] the lock nuts and solve the problem in 75% of the cases [ except for all the MTs we have to condemn with totally shot dampers ].
Even my old bosses who were dyed in the wool MT guys always complained how much harder it was to get a MT washer to be stable than the older WP-KM 29" wide machines and always complained to MT about not having Self-Leveling legs.
Maytag Was The Only Company That Did Not Have Self-Leveling Legs on their TL washers, they were too cheap to spend the money to improve the machine. Even the Norgetag and the Amanatags had SLLs.
We do get calls occasionally on WP built DD washers that are walking or vibrating, but they are much easier to solve, usually even an 85 YO women can tilt the machine forward off the rear feet slightly and drop it down and get the machine to be stable again.
Brain, I think the real issue here is you need to get over this infatuation you have about me, I have invited you to call me with any concerns you have with me, but you never do, instead you blow up every few months or so, I don't know whats going on at your end but you could talk to your doctor or other health care professional.
PS I am Check Marking this post for you, I know how much you like it when I do this.
Every year we get at least a 3 dozen calls for MTs that are walking all over the laundry room [ easily more than all other TL washer walking calls combined ], Yes most were not installed properly with the lock nuts tightened on all four feet, or the floor is very unlevel or other wise weak. And we spend a 1/2 hour leveling and tightening [ and prying those crappy hard rubber caps off the feet and reinstalling them ] the lock nuts and solve the problem in 75% of the cases [ except for all the MTs we have to condemn with totally shot dampers ].
Even my old bosses who were dyed in the wool MT guys always complained how much harder it was to get a MT washer to be stable than the older WP-KM 29" wide machines and always complained to MT about not having Self-Leveling legs.
Maytag Was The Only Company That Did Not Have Self-Leveling Legs on their TL washers, they were too cheap to spend the money to improve the machine. Even the Norgetag and the Amanatags had SLLs.
We do get calls occasionally on WP built DD washers that are walking or vibrating, but they are much easier to solve, usually even an 85 YO women can tilt the machine forward off the rear feet slightly and drop it down and get the machine to be stable again.
Brain, I think the real issue here is you need to get over this infatuation you have about me, I have invited you to call me with any concerns you have with me, but you never do, instead you blow up every few months or so, I don't know whats going on at your end but you could talk to your doctor or other health care professional.
PS I am Check Marking this post for you, I know how much you like it when I do this.
I think it's a bad idea for any of us to constantly put down any of the washing machines that members here like, use, and collect. I personally think that the 1966+ Maytag washers are the best washing machines ever made, but I understand that not everyone is going to agree with that. I was also an appliance service tech for a time, but rarely worked on Maytag washers because they hardly ever needed service. The only purpose that I can see for self leveling legs is to make appliance installation more idiot-proof for under-trained or lazy delivery men.
I enjoy seeing all the machines that members have and can see good in most of them. This sort of "Ford sucks" language is not something we should be doing here.
I enjoy seeing all the machines that members have and can see good in most of them. This sort of "Ford sucks" language is not something we should be doing here.
In 33 years my Maytag has never moved. I have to watch it and rearrange the load with heavy rugs. If it goes off balance it shuts off, even with the lid open. You use a level and adjust the legs front and back and then its golden.
Self-leveling rear legs (never seen all four be such) makes for much easier installation when access to the rear is obstructed. Helped a friend swap-out a direct-drive for a VMW at one of his rental properties. The VMW doesn't have self-leveling rear legs. There's cabinetry on the right side, dryer on the left. I eye-balled the rear, tightened the locking nuts and they had to stay as-is with further adjustment on the front to the best imperfectness that could be mustered with the machine stable.
beekeyknee
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John,
Infatuated with you? If that wasn't so sad it would be funny. Post (#916955) is statements and questions, most of which you did not answer. I shouldn't have bothered to ask the questions as I figured you probably wouldn't answer. You never have and most likely you will continue to make some or many false statements toward Newton manufactured belt drive machines.
I can't see that I "Blow up every few months or so" at you. In reply #20 there were only statement and questions. I didn't make inflammatory remarks toward you. If you took them that way, I am sorry. I am saddened that we can't have a civil discussion about machine brands, types and their operation w/o some making oppressive remarks toward other peoples, ideas, questions and brand loyalties.
When I first joined AW.org I was impressed with your knowledge of appliances, electricity, troubleshooting, etc. Then after awhile a picture slowly began to develop of the way you treat people. Especially people who appreciated older Maytag machines. I know for a fact that many of those people no longer donate to AW.org and/or no longer participate in the forums because of the condescending way you sometimes treat these people.
When I caught you in a lie last summer in the Dirty Laundry forum, I called you out on it. I wanted to do it in that forum out of fairness to you. This time I call you out in the Imperial Forum. Everyone can see now. If you notice, I didn't start any of these threads. Last summer I baited you. Today I responded to one of your replies.
Lastly, my relationship with my doctor is very good and judging from the way you phrased that sentence it seems as though you are eluding to my psychological well being. If that was your intention, I don't think that is appropriate. Judging from my past posts, I think my psychological well being is about as good as the next persons around here.
And John. You can check mark all your posts you like. It really doesn't make any difference to me. [this post was last edited: 1/23/2017-01:04]
Infatuated with you? If that wasn't so sad it would be funny. Post (#916955) is statements and questions, most of which you did not answer. I shouldn't have bothered to ask the questions as I figured you probably wouldn't answer. You never have and most likely you will continue to make some or many false statements toward Newton manufactured belt drive machines.
I can't see that I "Blow up every few months or so" at you. In reply #20 there were only statement and questions. I didn't make inflammatory remarks toward you. If you took them that way, I am sorry. I am saddened that we can't have a civil discussion about machine brands, types and their operation w/o some making oppressive remarks toward other peoples, ideas, questions and brand loyalties.
When I first joined AW.org I was impressed with your knowledge of appliances, electricity, troubleshooting, etc. Then after awhile a picture slowly began to develop of the way you treat people. Especially people who appreciated older Maytag machines. I know for a fact that many of those people no longer donate to AW.org and/or no longer participate in the forums because of the condescending way you sometimes treat these people.
When I caught you in a lie last summer in the Dirty Laundry forum, I called you out on it. I wanted to do it in that forum out of fairness to you. This time I call you out in the Imperial Forum. Everyone can see now. If you notice, I didn't start any of these threads. Last summer I baited you. Today I responded to one of your replies.
Lastly, my relationship with my doctor is very good and judging from the way you phrased that sentence it seems as though you are eluding to my psychological well being. If that was your intention, I don't think that is appropriate. Judging from my past posts, I think my psychological well being is about as good as the next persons around here.
And John. You can check mark all your posts you like. It really doesn't make any difference to me. [this post was last edited: 1/23/2017-01:04]
beekeyknee
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OK John,
You say you have invited me to call with any concerns I have with you. Well, we've talked on the phone once, several years ago and it was a fairly pleasant conversation. I think it was before Thanksgiving or Christmas. Probably a busy time of year. I don't remember. It's been too long ago.
Now look at the very beginning of the thread, photo #9. Does that picture happen to make you recall anything? Now go down and read reply #3. I sent you my name, address, phone number (which you should already have had if I was in your contacts), told you I would send you money, or cash or even a prepaid USPS box, if that's what you needed. Now I realize you're a busy guy. Probably too busy to worry about something that small. Or maybe I'm not one of the "In Crowd". Not one of the "Old Aberdeen Farm" crowd. I didn't know about you guys then and I was too busy running my nightclub and DJing for three hundred people a night. That "In Crowd" thing may have been uncalled for, but I do know some people that feel that way. I know you can't sell all your inventory, but the odd part here or there? If you have very many, I doubt you're going to use them all up in your lifetime.
Now scroll down to Reply #5, first picture. Out of no where, Ralph offers this part to replace the broken plastic one. Emailed him and it showed up in the mail three days later. Just like that, it shows up. I don't remember, but I don't think he took any money for it. Plus he threw in some extra parts I didn't ask for.
If I should think about going on a trip sometime, I wonder which direction I would think about? Not to the person that has the most things to see or the one that lives in the best place to visit. But that one person that showed me a random act of kindness. Those are the people that live in my heart.
Last of all. I'm sure you have seen all kinds of strange things being a service tech. I've seen some weird things and I'm not. A Maytag washer moving around by itself, installed in a cramped location, not leveled right, out of balance switch maybe not working, legs not locked or floor not solid. Yeah, the machine probably moved. My Mom's and both grandmothers washers from the '50's, '60's, and '70's, most all installed on a concrete floor, properly leveled with leg nuts locked would rarely or never move. If they did move, the legs were adjusted until the vibration stopped and they stayed put. She would clean underneath them with a yardstick and a sock so they would stay level. The feet weren't touched unless the cabinet became unstable.
In 1980's the first direct drive machines came along. The tubs were a lot taller and the out of balance switch had been removed. The machines were a lot lighter and had auto leveling back legs. The same installation location was used. Sometimes the machine would stay in place and sometimes it would be in some other location of the room(or as far as the hoses would let it stray). Move the machine back in place, pull it forward and set it back down to level it with back legs. Later in the day, a few days later or maybe a month or so, the Machine vibrates away from wall again. Coincidence? I don't think so. Design flaw? Quite believable. User error? Possible, but not too likely. Same installation surface, same users, different machines. The machines changed while everything else stayed the same. Back to an older, heavy machine, properly leveled with a working out of balance mechanism. The machine vibration and moving around the room disappears again. With all else being the same, I think most would conclude that the newer machine is at fault. I'm not saying what you have seen in the field. Probably about anything. But an older machine, properly installed and in good working order, should not bang against itself and move around the room on its own.
Does this sound correct to you? If so, can we please compare apples to apples and quit arguing about what you see in the field as to what we see in our homes. Or you can discuss what you see in the field as compared to what you see in your museum or home? Can we also quit talking about one particular brand over another until we see a pattern developing? At that point, I think it would be fair to discuss design flaws. Does this sound fair or not?
Brian
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You say you have invited me to call with any concerns I have with you. Well, we've talked on the phone once, several years ago and it was a fairly pleasant conversation. I think it was before Thanksgiving or Christmas. Probably a busy time of year. I don't remember. It's been too long ago.
Now look at the very beginning of the thread, photo #9. Does that picture happen to make you recall anything? Now go down and read reply #3. I sent you my name, address, phone number (which you should already have had if I was in your contacts), told you I would send you money, or cash or even a prepaid USPS box, if that's what you needed. Now I realize you're a busy guy. Probably too busy to worry about something that small. Or maybe I'm not one of the "In Crowd". Not one of the "Old Aberdeen Farm" crowd. I didn't know about you guys then and I was too busy running my nightclub and DJing for three hundred people a night. That "In Crowd" thing may have been uncalled for, but I do know some people that feel that way. I know you can't sell all your inventory, but the odd part here or there? If you have very many, I doubt you're going to use them all up in your lifetime.
Now scroll down to Reply #5, first picture. Out of no where, Ralph offers this part to replace the broken plastic one. Emailed him and it showed up in the mail three days later. Just like that, it shows up. I don't remember, but I don't think he took any money for it. Plus he threw in some extra parts I didn't ask for.
If I should think about going on a trip sometime, I wonder which direction I would think about? Not to the person that has the most things to see or the one that lives in the best place to visit. But that one person that showed me a random act of kindness. Those are the people that live in my heart.
Last of all. I'm sure you have seen all kinds of strange things being a service tech. I've seen some weird things and I'm not. A Maytag washer moving around by itself, installed in a cramped location, not leveled right, out of balance switch maybe not working, legs not locked or floor not solid. Yeah, the machine probably moved. My Mom's and both grandmothers washers from the '50's, '60's, and '70's, most all installed on a concrete floor, properly leveled with leg nuts locked would rarely or never move. If they did move, the legs were adjusted until the vibration stopped and they stayed put. She would clean underneath them with a yardstick and a sock so they would stay level. The feet weren't touched unless the cabinet became unstable.
In 1980's the first direct drive machines came along. The tubs were a lot taller and the out of balance switch had been removed. The machines were a lot lighter and had auto leveling back legs. The same installation location was used. Sometimes the machine would stay in place and sometimes it would be in some other location of the room(or as far as the hoses would let it stray). Move the machine back in place, pull it forward and set it back down to level it with back legs. Later in the day, a few days later or maybe a month or so, the Machine vibrates away from wall again. Coincidence? I don't think so. Design flaw? Quite believable. User error? Possible, but not too likely. Same installation surface, same users, different machines. The machines changed while everything else stayed the same. Back to an older, heavy machine, properly leveled with a working out of balance mechanism. The machine vibration and moving around the room disappears again. With all else being the same, I think most would conclude that the newer machine is at fault. I'm not saying what you have seen in the field. Probably about anything. But an older machine, properly installed and in good working order, should not bang against itself and move around the room on its own.
Does this sound correct to you? If so, can we please compare apples to apples and quit arguing about what you see in the field as to what we see in our homes. Or you can discuss what you see in the field as compared to what you see in your museum or home? Can we also quit talking about one particular brand over another until we see a pattern developing? At that point, I think it would be fair to discuss design flaws. Does this sound fair or not?
Brian
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I got a lovely KDS-60 (KDS-20 convertible) from an older couple up in Kirksville, MO, thanks to one of Phil's posts in Shoppers Square a bit over a week ago. Thanks, Phil. I called last Monday evening around 5:00 and asked if the machine was still available. The lady said yes and she had...
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We had a Maytag A207 washer from 1973 until about 2002. It was installed on a concrete floor, and I'll have to say it never moved a bit, even when washing items such as rugs. I always made sure the legs were adjusted properly, with locknuts tightened.
