Maytag Machines After Whirlpool Buyout - What Remained?

[agiflow]

Patrick, I look forward to what new machine arrives on Frida

 

[agiflow]

Patrick, I look forward to what new machine arrives on Friday.

Hi Bob. Unfortunately I had to tell the guy who was holding it for me to just let it go. Besides $300 for a used 20-year-old washing machine with parts getting harder to come by is really not the investment I want to make. For a direct drive, won't do too much better than the KitchenAid that I already have.

 

[Chetlaham]

Hi Bob. Unfortunately I had to tell the guy who was holding it for me to just let it go. Besides $300 for a used 20-year-old washing machine with parts getting harder to come by is really not the investment I want to make. For a direct drive, won't do too much better than the KitchenAid that I already have.

Do you have pics of the control panel?

 

[agiflow]

No Chet unfortunately do not, but it was made around 2005 or 2006. It had that rounded style control panel, which I think was the last one they used. It also had the ultra rinse which is why I really wanted it but I'm more than happy with the the three machines I have now.

 

[Chetlaham]

No Chet unfortunately do not, but it was made around 2005 or 2006. It had that rounded style control panel, which I think was the last one they used. It also had the ultra rinse which is why I really wanted it but I'm more than happy with the the three machines I have now.

Bummer, though it may not have been a loss. DDs toward the end went down in quality. Such a shame really. Is this the control panel you're thinking of?

 

[agiflow]

It looks like this one

 

[Chetlaham]

It looks like this one

That is a nice machine and Kenmore's most featured EM model! The last good control panel design of Kenmore. I love fantasizing about these, they were gentle on the eyes.

 

[d-todd]

I always thought the MAV machines were decent. They were stable and didn't have many of the problems that I saw in the DD.

 

[appnut]

Front load heaters make a night and day difference all around, and are the only practical way I feel that front load technology will excel in the United States. Here are some advantages, number one being the most significant:

1) Filling with cold and gradually heating to warm then to hot lets detergents work in stages. Different stains and different soils are lifted best at various temperatures. The gradual heating over time lets enzymes work to their full potential. By having a heater in every front load incorporated into the cycle, the US could adopt common EU based detergent formulations which produce the best cleaning results of any laundry system when coupled with a graded temperature wash.

2) A true hot wash. Even with a hot fill, the small amount of water in the front load quickly cools down to warm due to the cool drum, cool tub and cool clothes. That is of course assuming a best case scenario. In reality water cools down in pipes and purging doesn't always get all of it out to the point the washer connects to the plumbing. Water enters cold, cool and then warm. By the time hot water starts entering the machine, the pressure sensor is satisfied. The end result is a cool wash.

3) Sanitation. With a heater you can be guaranteed 200*F wash water when needed.

4) Energy Savings. It is much less energy intensive to heat water on point to the required temperature than idling 50 gallons of hot water 24/7 only to have a considerable percentage of it lost within the wall.

5) Water savings. No need to purge the line to make sure the machine has hot water so you get at least a warm wash.

6) Much harder for mold and gunk build up in the machine due to the superior wash system.

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The whole concept of relying on concentrated detergent origi evolved from that intended for a top load and off board hot water is a flawed implementation and behind nearly all of the problems encountered with front load washers in the US.

Personally, I don't see why having a heater is necessary. In my opinion it's just an extra thing to break. My LG front loader has a heater built in but I couldn't find a difference cleaning wise so I just don't use it anymore. As long as I have straight hot water, I'm pretty much good to go. Some of the other UniMac stackables with the touch screen I use as well do have heaters built in, they get very hot. And they're one of those models where the soap automatically dispenses in during the wash cycle, we use Ecolab detergent.

I guess I have significant laundry issues and between steam and extremely high temperatures. I get amazing perfect result and I'm not going to compromise. I just see the advantages with the European approach. Far, superior.

 

[agiflow]

Not trying to be snarky here but does the European approach eliminate every stain on clothing? Since you're using chemicals to wash clothes anyway, what's the difference if you use spray treatments?

 

[agiflow]

That is a nice machine and Kenmore's most featured EM model! The last good control panel design of Kenmore. I love fantasizing about these, they were gentle on the eyes.


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Chet where are the minutes?

 

[Chetlaham]

Chet where are the minutes?

My bad, I forgot to label the start detents-





Allotted fill time is 5 minutes for both ultra wash and regular wash.


Ultra wash has 5 minutes of fill followed by 3 minutes of agitation, 7 minutes of soak and 14 minutes of agitation.

Regular wash has 5 minutes of fill time followed by 14 minutes of agitation.


I could remove the lead in and lead out increments and gain 2 extra minutes in the initial ultra wash agitation period for a total of 5 minutes however I want to avoid clock setting and reliance on sequential switching during increment advancement as much as possible.

In fact the only period where contacts must be sequenced correctly during increment advancement (in this washer) is between the wash and spin phase.

Yes it is not likely that sequential switching would ever be lost with a jumbo 7.5 degree step manufactured under precision specs but I want to eliminate the possibility of late or early engagement entirely by using a whole increment as a safety buffer.

Also, I like to give the user at least one or two increments or 7.5-15 degrees of knob movement before landing on an intended detent/increment when moving away from an unintended increment. It is easier on the wrists, psyche, and takes slight fascia decal tolerance errors into account greatly reducing the possibility of the user not turning the knob far enough inadvertently landing on an agitate increment, off increment, ect.