Maytag mvwp586gw / Maytag mvwp585gw Video Available on YT

[pinkpower4]

A video has been posted by Kirk Rivas.

I am guessing the 585gw model has the 5-yr. warranty, and the 586gw has the 1-yr. warranty?

Price looks to be about $1035 USA, so it's looks like the upgrade didn't add too much to the current cost.

Like the newer design better especially the knobs. Wonder if they're interchangeable?

More importantly. I am curious if the 575 model can be converted to the newer the 585/586 model? If so, what parts would have to be switched out?

Given the cost of parts, one would probably just be better off buying this whole unit new especially if they've had it for a few years or more, but I thought I would ask. It's possible a newer one may be scrapped due to a bad gearcase or something, so it is interesting to know since these parts can sometimes be purchased on their own or through eBay.

This is still my second overall pick, and my first pick if one considers the wash action. The dual action agitator is very effective at moving clothes down, in, and through the water.

My first overall pick would be the Speed Queen TC5. At this price difference (looking to be around $1300 where I live now vs the $1035 of this Maytag), I could justify the price difference to get the SQ. My opinion is that the Maytag needs to be priced lower if they really want to have the edge. Both are good washers, but the main differences I see as a consumer that has used both is that there will be less minor repairs with the SQ because it uses a real transmission, and the SQ should last a typical family longer. For the typical consumer control boards/gear case on the Maytag will probably be the point of replace. I think bearings going out will probably be the point of replace on the SQ. Only time will tell. Of course, people that can do the repairs themselves including the more labor intensive ones, get parts at cost, etc. may keep these going longer.

Thoughts?

 

[gelaundry4ever]

video

I am going to watch the video.

 

[panasonicvac]

Not surprised that it doesn't use the old school DD system. No thanks for me, I'd rather just keep using my Kenmore and fix it up for as long as I can. Or I'd just get a Speed Queen TC5.

 

[ryner1988]

Not surprised that it doesn't use the old school DD system.

And I'm not really sure why it doesn't, being that it's non-high efficiency in every other way including water levels. You'd think they could make it a truly commercial machine by putting a real transmission in it. This is proof of what many have suspected all along -- the VMW platform isn't about high efficiency as some people like to think it is. Yes, a lot of VMW machines are high efficiency but the reason for the platform is a cost-saving measure. I think the DD platform was getting too expensive to produce in today's market.

 

[speedqueen]

No DD transmission

They haven't been in production or tooled for large scale DD production since 2010. They have been VMW on coin models for some time as well, this IS their commercial platform at this point.

 

[ryner1988]

Reply #4

Yes I am aware of this. I'm just pointing out that back when DD's stopped being produced, it was rumored by some that it was because of efficiency standards tightening and the DD platform couldn't meet those. Obviously that is not actually the case, being that we still have these full-fill TL washers. There must have been other reasons, so I can only surmise that cost was a large part of it.

 

[pierreandreply4]

if my curent washer daily driver ended up being a lemon

if my curent washer turn out after 3 years to be a lemon or with a major defect and needed to be exanche because of extended warenty i think i would chose the model in the video just would just like to know cycle leght for each cycle for this model? and if it would mean exchanging the dryer as well to have a match set woukd go with the matching electric dryer

 

[panasonicvac]

I was hoping they'd bring back the old school DD system just like when Speed Queen brought back their old school top load washer. I'd agree that the DD top load washers was most likely getting more expensive to make. But they would've still competed against the reliability to SQ's TC5. Probably would've costed around the same as the TC5 or maybe a little less which I would've had no problem with, you basically get what you pay for. Speaking of price, the other Maytag is now discounted for a closeout at $809. Only 7 left until they're gone for good.

 

[combo52]

Washer, energy, efficiency

Is more than just water consumption, new style VMW type machines, spin much faster than TC fives and direct drive Whirlpools , they also use about 1/4 of the electricity to run the machine, they’re also 40 or 50 pounds lighter using a lot less materials to build the machine.

All of this is taken into account in the design and energy efficiency of machines, in any case, there’s no top load washer that I would buy today.

If you’re serious about washing machines, get a Speed Queen front loader or possibly a whirlpool or Maytag front load washer.

John.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

washer video

I saw the video, and I was disappointed. There's no direct drive system. It will break at any moment with a normal family. I count on it.

 

[DADoES]

 
The wash action is very aggressive with a real dual-action agitator that rolls the load like a direct-drive.  The periods of longer strokes also sloshes everything back and forth like an old-style belt-drive.  The cycle progress is quicker than some other VMW models.

 

[drummerboy928]

This machine also has the heavier duty 1/2 HP motor, belt, and other components. IIRC the old models really only struggled with the gearboxes, since they use the same plastic gearbox as the other models. I don’t doubt that they used it again in these new models, but I wouldn’t say that they would be horrible machines, especially now with the added water level selector. At a moderately reasonable $1,034 without sales pricing, I can see these being a pretty strong competitor in the field of modern washers.

 

[windrivers]

New Style VMW Type Machines

"...they’re also 40 or 50 pounds lighter using a lot less materials to build the machine."

Does producing cheap crap using less and cheaper materials that last a fraction as long really save resources and energy in the long run?

Junkyards are full of "efficient" appliances.

I wonder if these efficient machines ever recoup the savings in use that it costs to produce and replace these machines as they fail. How much energy, water, petroleum products, etc. does it cost to produce these machines that are designed to fail in a certain time anyway?

But I'm sure Whirlpool is proud to have you think they're "green" as they keep you buying their newer, better, and disposable products.

 

[combo52]

Old washers and dryers

Are not lined up in a junkyard somewhere or being buried in landfill.

They are generally crushed and ground up and recycled for metal, Content and , etc..

It’s a difficult equation to decide whether a new machine pays for itself or not in savings and energy. It seems that even these new cheaper machines are lasting a decade or so judging by what we see going into the recycling.

In any event anybody that’s interested in and serious about a washing machine has a little business buying a top load washer they are simply an inferior product, they’re not good for your clothing. They’re not good for the environment or not very efficient overall.

John

 

[windrivers]

Recycling

Have you studied the recycling industry? I don't believe it is as efficient and green as it's made out to be.

How much energy and resources are used to separate the materials, crush them, grind them up, etc.? I've read a lot of stuff people think are being recycled are being hauled and dumped in other countries.

Even if every part of every machine was 100% recycled with no waste, which they aren't, there are still all the resources it takes to build new machines out of the recycled materials, shipping, etc.

So I think it's a stretch to say that a machine saves resources by being 30% lighter when it lasts 30% as long. From my experience I think 10 years from a new Whirlpool is optimistic.

I'll buy what I want. I do my own research and buy what is best for me, as do others on this thread. I know you would never buy a top loader and you're pretty proud of yourself for it, but others would for various reasons. I've got a laundry room that's made for a TL, I've got plenty of well water, and my clothes aren't made out of paper products. I've got to admit FLs may be better in some ways, but to me they appear to be over-hyped by certain people to the point of defying physics.

 

[ryner1988]

"From my experience I think 10 years from a new Whirlpool is optimistic."

My VMW Whirlpool lasted just under six years. It finally did this thing where it got stuck shifting between drain and spin, reminded me of a computer getting frozen up, although usually with the computer turning it off and back on or perhaps unplugging and replugging it usually solves the frozen issue...not so with the whirlpool VMW. Whatever I tried, I couldn't get it to unhang itself from that point in the cycle. Repairman told me it was the gearbox but since I know a bit more about these machines now I wonder if it was actually the mode shifter that gave out.

I do think these commercial versions might last a few years longer than that, but only time will tell.

 

[ryner1988]

Regarding FL vs. TL, I agree FL is probably the way to go in the modern market in many cases though not all. As mentioned above, some peoples' houses just aren't made for the design of an FL. My dad and stepmom have a tiny pass-through laundry room, you walk through it from the garage to get to the rest of the house. There are the laundry machines on one side and the furnace on the other and literally enough room to walk between them. The washer is next to the garage door so I can't picture a front loader not getting in the way of the garage door opening/closing or there even being enough room to have both front-opening doors ajar on washer and dryer to load/unload laundry. I'm sure modern houses are structured differently to account for this but older houses definitely look like they were built with TL's in mind.

 

[DADoES]

 
The process of shifting between agitate and spin occurs outside the transmission "gear box" on the VMW platform.  The optical reader that monitors basket rotation is also part of the mode shifter.

 

[maytag85]

Reply #13

If top loaders really aren’t your thing, then why is their top loading machines in your profile picture?