Miele EXITS US Large Capacity Marketplace!

[rolls_rapide]

Schulthess dishwasher...

..is an Electrolux/AEG by another name. And by association, no doubt a Zanussi in disguise.

The other day I was reading an online manual for the latest AEG. The Schulthess's manual is identical.

 

[launderess]

Gas Vs Electric For Cooking

Personally prefer electric cooktops but gas for ovens. Exception would be "true" convection ovens where IIRC electic has slight advantages over gas.

Gas ranges and burners aren't exactly dirty, but can leave one's kitchen walls requiring more attention than electric IMHO.

For heating you are finding more and more those AC/Heating units for new construction in NYC apartments.

 

[qualin]

Wow... Schulthess looks like they make very high quality machines..

Shame they don't sell to the North American Market.

I think that V-Zug and Schulthess would make a killing if they sold machines here.

 

[foraloysius]

Merker is also a Swiss brand. Same machines. The BOL is a Bosch. Bosch and Siemens used to sell commercial machines in Switzerland that were similar to the Schulthess and the Merker commercial machines.

Merker homepage:

http://www.merker.ch/

 

[jerrod6]

Agree with laundress

I grew up with all electric stoves and was used to them.  When I bought this house it came with all electric.  Eventually I got down to only one burner working and things going wrong.  I heard that gas cooking was more controllable and since the gas line was at the stove but not being used, I got a dual fuel range; gas cook top, electric convection oven.

 

I do like the range a lot, but have to say that gas cooking seems to be hot and messy.  You notice the heat in the summer. As soon as you turn a burner on and sit a pan over it even on low flame, you can feel heat escaping into the area around it.  Messy:  I have SS tiles on the wall and when you clean them there is this brown film coming off of them.

 

Oven works very well but is kinda strange on convection.  It blows the heat out with a fan instead of coming from underneath. You would think this would be slow but instead it is really quite fast so I  use the convection  option for a lot of things even to reheat items.

 

AC/heating.  My two previous houses had  whole house heat pumps and they worked well but we had a winter heating rate. This current house is gas heat  with  central AC.   Our electricity has been deregulated so there is no more winter heating rate so folks have to pay the full rate to heat---could never afford this anymore so I will just stick with gas heat.  Most of the time my heater only delivers heat at a temperature of 90F anyway so it is just like having a heatpump.  When it is very cold the temperature will increase to about 112F.   I would prefer hot water heat with old style radiators  but I will have to take what I have for now.

 

[mrb627]

Miele Distributer

My Miele salesperson indicated that they were tipped off to Miele pullout before the end of 2011. He didn't have any information as to whether the Intelli-q machines would cease to exist, but speculated that they probably would.

Malcolm

 

[tomturbomatic]

Eddy, Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge.

Mike, Thank you also.
Tom

 

[passatdoc]

Wow, our local vacuum store is a "Miele dealer showroom" and he had been selling the washers as well as the vacuums. I don't know what kind of washer volume he'd been doing---most people don't walk into a vacuum store looking for a washer---but the fancy display he has will probably have to go. I sure hope the company built the display and that he is not out any large sum for having had it in his store. He sold not only the laundry machines but also the full line of Persil products---at prices no German would ever pay.

 

[hunter]

I thought i was the only one...

Wow, I thought i was the only person on the planet who preferred electric stoves over gas.

I have electric convection ovens, but I also prefer electric tops...fast heat, not as adjustable as gas, no, but not bad. And no mess.

I switched to electric mid 1990s after we read a Lancet article talking about how folks with any respiratory problems at all shouldn't have gas stoves or anything with an open flame like that.

Sorry to hear that Miele is (basically) existing the North American laundry market. I'm glad I bought my Asko W6884. 220v, incoming temperature to 90C heating. I'm glad I DIDN'T buy the Miele as they are likely to be orphaned machines - how long will spare parts be available?

Of course, the thing that did it for me was a 1 year warranty. My Asko has a 3.

 

[mrb627]

Yeah

I just don't get why Miele ever decided on such a dismal warranty for their US machines. Unless they never believed they would stand up here. Perhaps Miele machines in the US aren't built to the EU standard. Or maybe they didn't want to have a bunch of warranty lawsuits if they decided to pull out early.

Malcolm

 

[launderess]

Miele "Orphaned" Machines

No, not likely.

MieleUSA stocks parts for laundry and other appliances for at least fifteen years after the appliance is taken from market. Even when parts are discontiued from Germany MieleUSA still has whatever parts are sent to their warehouses. Case in point can still order some parts for my 1070 washer, but MieleUSA no longer imports parts from Germany nor will they place special orders for parts they no longer have in stock.

As for leaving the USA market, Miele still offers the 30XX series (120v washer) and dryers. They just are giving upon the uber sized units.

To be fair outside of North America huge sized front loaders aren't big sellers for domestic washers. Most homes just don't have the room nor see the need for such large washing machines. IIRC Bosch exported their American built large washers to Europe but that didn't last long either.

 

[mrb627]

Little Giant

Maybe they will enhance the voltage requirements on the Little Giant machines so they can be run on 240v and not limited to 208v.

Malcolm

 

[Sandy16]

I looked at the larger Miele models when I was shopping for a new set a few months ago. 4. Capacity but recommended load 3/4 dry laundry. I was turned off by the fiberglass outer tub (better insulation per Miele), the fact that the machine would time out of heating before hitting temp and the reverse set up. I liked the cycle options but just didn't feel like they were built as well as they should have been at the price.

I went with 24" Askos with higher voltage. 2 washers, 1 dryer. 205 degree washes if I choose and cold fill. I love Miele's 24" washers but wanted the higher wash temp option.

 

[mrb627]

Asko

Sandy,

Please post a pic of your laundry setup.

Malcolm

 

[Sandy16]

I don't have an easy way to post a pic right now. Toddlers are bad for phones! They are the size of a dishwasher. From left to right it goes washer, washer dryer with a counter across the top of the 3. We did hire an electrician to add an extra outlet as the house only had one 220 in the laundry area. They are both cold water fill. I am really happy with the setup. I could have gotten by with one washer but I like being able to start one washer, start the other running and get the laundry over with.

 

[sudsmaster]

On 30 amp 220 might be enough to run two ASKO 220 volt washers. I run two Miele's - one a W1918A and the other a W1065 off the same 20 amp 220 volt circuit in my workshop on cold water fill (so both heaters go on). The breaker doesn't ever trip. Nor does the wiring melt (it's inside rigid metal conduit so even if it melted it wouldn't cause a fire). Theoretically one should have at least 15 amps per Miele. Perhaps the 1918A uses only 110 for its heater? I don't know. But it's handy to be able to run both at once.