Miele USA W1's Water Inlet Error After Prewash

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Always get the Water Inlet error when attempting to Add laundry.
Got it frequently because there is air in our lines and had to go into menu and activate Low Water Pressure setting for it to stop cancelling the cycles.
 
I must have a good one!

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">I say this as I knock on wood, but I haven't had any of these issues.  Our PSI is around 75 last time I checked and I wonder how much that had to do with others having issues.</span>
 
Thanks for posts. Water pressure is not my issue. Miele knows there is a problem and has admitted to others there is a problem with the W1's. Customer service and tech support/dispatch obviously needs some major help here in the United States. Enough said.
 
I did a load of cotton summer shorts using the Wrinkle-Free cycle and decided to try the soak option. I selected Warm+ or 104F. The washer started to fill with hot water, then switched to cold. It took 1 or 2 more fills and turned the heater on for a bit. It tumbled slowly for a few minutes then started soaking, tumbling, and spraying periodically. No heater was on during the actual soaking period, but it turned on as soon as the wash started, and cycled on and off throughout the wash.

So for the soak, I guess the washer tries to start with a temperature close to the temperature you have selected for the wash even though there is no heater in use during most of the soak.
 
Thanks for the update

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">So it sounds like I need to do a PreWash if I want to start with cold and then work up to the selected temp.  This is good to know.  And when I think about it, I don't mind the idea that I get fresh water and detergent at the start of the wash.  Thank you.</span>
 
That would make sense.

My older Miele and many other European H-axis washers used their heaters to raise temp of pre-wash to at least 86F or 104F. They do this however obviously only if thermostat isn't satisfied either incoming water temp, and or that in tub isn't at or above whatever temp. When this Miele turns on or off heater there is a very audible "thunk", so can tell when it's engaged or turned off.

If a washer is both hot and cold fill then it makes sense to use a blend of tap water to get "warm" or whatever. If that cannot be achieved then heater kick in to top things off.

Both my AEG washers are cold fill only. If incoming water is warmer than what is programmed to be normal, and thus heating parameters get confused, these washers will subtract heating portion of cycle time (usually about ten minutes) from cycle.

Display will read "60 minutes" remaining, but soon as water drains and or filling begins for first rinse that changes to "50 minutes" or something.

On older Miele and other European washing machines with "rapid advance" mechanical timers it was suggested that once machine reached proper temp during heating portion of cycle (again listening for sound thermostat was switched off), one could move timer knob slightly and it would come out of heating portion of cycle into main. This was done to save time.....

Curious thing about those older washers is they would take on water if sensed water level had dropped, and use heater if necessary to bring things back up to temp. At least my AEG modern washers don't do this; once machine has moved out of fill portion of cycle that's all she wrote. They won't take on more water even if it's obvious load requires further saturation. What you'll get is a reading indicating over loading.
 
@chachp

In the winter when my water temperature is around 39F and I do a prewash the entire fill is in cold water. When the washer drains into my laundry sink the water is warm. It is not 104F but it feels like it might be between,95F and 100F. I have my machine plugged into a Kill-o-watt meter so I can look at the amps consumed in real-time and know when the heater is engaged.
 
@Jerrod

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">If I want to use a cycle that starts with cold water and then gradually heats the water the temp chosen which one would I use?  I wish I could find a document (as I'm sure many do) that explains what happens throughout each cycle.  It seems to be a closely guarded secret for some reason or maybe they think people don't care to know it.</span>
 
@chachp

You could go to settings and select cold fill. Keep in mind, the machine will continue doing full profile washes until you re-select hot fill for main wash again.
 
You could do as Washingpowder suggests or you can add a prewash to the program, since the prewash starts with a cold fill, heats the water to about warm, and then the next fill will take in hot water, and depending on your incoming water temperature the heater will take the temp to the setting and then maintain the temperature throughout the wash.

Keep in mind that you will not get much heating in the Normal program - at least I don't. On my machine, the heater runs for the first 13 minutes of the wash and is never heard from again during the wash. This may not matter if you are supplying 120F water and then I guess the heater will run for a total of 13 minutes throughout the wash. Since I am not supplying 120F I don't really use the Normal program for much of anything, plus I don't want to spin everything at 1600rpms.
 
It really seems Miele is not going to do a thing about this. Just add it to the list of feature crippled W1's. Maybe they will just hide the prewash feature in the hidden settings menu and act like it is not there at all. Other countries have programming settings easily accessible, not here. We are not so stupid after all here in the USA, we discovered the prewash no longer works. It is just a matter of time they will take away water plus and max rinse levels from USA W1's. You know the features we are not allowed to access.
 
Slow down a bit...

You're spinning a story that's just not there.

If they didn't want you to have a prewash, they wouldn't have it, period. It's not like it's a common feature in the US.
Claiming melavalance seems a far reach.
And they certainly won't respond better if you tell them that.
(Working in customer service for a retailer handling cases in store I can tell you I empathize on the issue there, but not on that claim. If a customer is upset about service issues, I totally agree with him an give my best. If he claims we do that on purpose and threatens me with such claims, I take that personally.)

The reason some settings are hidden in a service menu is that they are not ment to be needed.
They exist as a relict for special cases. They alter cycles in ways that may not be beneficial to everyone.
There are settings in there that are capable of basically bricking a machine.

So they placed them on one level, not ment to be activated without technician consultation.

And they are not new.
They are there since the Novotronic days...

They won't take away water plus, they won't take away max rinse level.
Just like the Allergy option never was in the user accessible level, the max rinse level will never leave it.

Yes they are currently pretty slacking with quality control though, that is true.

Easiest way is always to make hell break loose.
They offered a feature, that feature is not usable, the manufacturer dosen't resolve the matter, thus you can always push to reverse the contract on basis of false pretence.

They will check out the machine with a technician first, they will confirm the fault.
They won't be abled to resolve it, then they offer a replacement - usually a model one level higher.

Not sure if I missed something, but you haven't even had a technician out, right?
 
Wouldn't cancel either way

Every time they visit without resolving your issue you have an additional card in your hand you can point to when trying to get higher levels involved.

Turning them away with they argument "I know they won't help" will ALWAYS be used against you by service.

Just speaking from experience there, not the first time I hear such things...
 
Initial call out from Miele almost usually now for years has been to diagnose and document whatever issues customer is reporting or otherwise found.

If the problem can be manged at that time within short period of time allotted, then all is good. OTOH if technician does not have part or parts, repair will take longer than allotted initial service call time, etc.. then another follow-up call out appointment must be made.

Turning away a Miele USA tech nowadays (since they no longer provide any sort of detailed tech support via telephone or email), likely will result in an issue of "he said, we said". That is customer claims appliance isn't working properly, but Miele cannot document fact.

A customer planning on seeking a refund, exchange or other such action needs to have a Miele tech document issues found so there is a record for machine in question.
 
Miele admitting problem?

Laundress-

The interesting this about this particular issue is in the post on another forum that you linked to above, Miele wrote a letter to the user admitting the problem. At the least according to that post, Miele wrote:

“Hello Mark,

I am happy to assist, I understand the frustration due to the pre wash cycle not working. Due to the new software update the prewash cycle has stopped working with the appliance. Germany is looking into the software and getting the issue rectified.

If you need further assistance, please contact Miele at 1-888-996-4353 or visit us online at www.mieleusa.com

Thanks for contacting Miele!

Tichina J.
Miele Inc. | 9 Independence Way| Princeton, NJ 08540| USA www.mieleusa.com/service“

This appears unusual for Miele in that their first instinct is to blame the user, but instead they appear to admit they are at fault. And, in spite of this promising admission, they do not give a timeline for the fix, nor do they address whether the “fix” will help Mark (the user) or simply potential future Miele customers.
 
Anybody In Germany Know What's Going On With This?

Does anyone work at Miele in Germany who frequents this forum? I would like someone from there to speak up about this. How long before this issue is fixed? How could this even have happened, I thought they tested everything before letting a machine out the door. SAD!
 
@SGT20

Miele is famous for producing much of internal components of their appliances in house. But that applies to things like motors and other bits. They do buy lots of other things off the shelf as it were such as solenoids, pumps, etc....

One is going to assume unless or until proven otherwise Miele used outside sources for software for washing machines and other appliances. Much like Crouzet of France once provided programmer/timer for their quasi mechanical washing machines, dishwashers and dryers....

If that is the case it would mean going back to supplier to work out what is wrong and how to correct. Given worldwide upset across the board to nearly everything this past year or so thanks to covid, it could take longer to sort this mess out.

Was always advised when growing up never to purchase first model year of anything. This was because there were bound to be kinks, and they would be sorted by subsequent year models.

Thing is don't seem to find these sort of complaints with Miele W1 washers sold in Europe, but then again maybe didn't look long or hard enough. Since these units were on sale there before coming to USA you'd think any bugs would have been sorted. This unless as per Miele made various changes to things for sale in North America that somehow has now gummed up the works.
 

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