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Notice the W48XX serie is sold in US and Canada only.
In other places they sell only commercial 20 lbs machines, that are much more expensive
Probably this is their first "compromise" to decrease prices
The compromise is the fiberglass outer tub in a medium size machine.
BTW even their euro H ax toploaders have fiberglass outertub
Sorry, the link is to miele france cause they don't sell TL in UK
Notice the W48XX serie is sold in US and Canada only.
In other places they sell only commercial 20 lbs machines, that are much more expensive
Probably this is their first "compromise" to decrease prices
The compromise is the fiberglass outer tub in a medium size machine.
BTW even their euro H ax toploaders have fiberglass outertub
Sorry, the link is to miele france cause they don't sell TL in UK
No More 220V Miele Washing Machines For USA Market
Miele no longer sells 220v washing machines for the domestic USA market. All new offerings are now 120v.
Obviously on such "low" power "boil washes" are no longer offered, and IIRC the max wash temp is around 140F or maybe 180F.
Miele finally stopped wasting their breath trying to get Americans to purchase a 220v powered washing machine, when only a small number of homes had such power in their laundry area. Yes, some homes had a 220v/30 amp outlet for dryers, but that is not always true as many homes use natural or propane gas for their tumble dryers.
The natural market for the rather "small" 5kg and later 6kg Miele washing machines were persons living in apartments, condos, or co-ops, and even there there wasn't univeral 220v service. Where it wasn't the cost of running the lines (assuming the building gave permission, and the electric wiring could handle the load), could easily equal half or more of the washing machine. Of course this applied if one used a union/certified electrican (read handing over several grand for a very easy one or two hour job (if that)).
Miele no longer sells 220v washing machines for the domestic USA market. All new offerings are now 120v.
Obviously on such "low" power "boil washes" are no longer offered, and IIRC the max wash temp is around 140F or maybe 180F.
Miele finally stopped wasting their breath trying to get Americans to purchase a 220v powered washing machine, when only a small number of homes had such power in their laundry area. Yes, some homes had a 220v/30 amp outlet for dryers, but that is not always true as many homes use natural or propane gas for their tumble dryers.
The natural market for the rather "small" 5kg and later 6kg Miele washing machines were persons living in apartments, condos, or co-ops, and even there there wasn't univeral 220v service. Where it wasn't the cost of running the lines (assuming the building gave permission, and the electric wiring could handle the load), could easily equal half or more of the washing machine. Of course this applied if one used a union/certified electrican (read handing over several grand for a very easy one or two hour job (if that)).
The only way to get 220v Miele today is to find one of the older models, or go with the "Little Giant" series, which is sold for commercial use. But have to warn you, if anyone thought the domestic Miele laundry appliances cost dear, do not ask about the Little Giant series.
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Fiberglass Outer Tub
Was also part of the way Miele began to allow LCB to be used in it's USA sold washing machines.
After years of banging their heads against a brick wall, trying to pry American housewives away from chlorine bleach, Miele finally gave in to the use of the stuff.
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Was also part of the way Miele began to allow LCB to be used in it's USA sold washing machines.
After years of banging their heads against a brick wall, trying to pry American housewives away from chlorine bleach, Miele finally gave in to the use of the stuff.
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Actually
About five grand isn't bad for a washing machine and dryer of Miele's quality.
A commercial front loading washing machine, even the lowest entry line would run upwards of 5 or 6 grand.
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About five grand isn't bad for a washing machine and dryer of Miele's quality.
A commercial front loading washing machine, even the lowest entry line would run upwards of 5 or 6 grand.
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miele darkest secrets ...... 
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page 39 of this manual : under the detergents lid there are FOUR compartments : prewash, wash, softener and ..... L C B !
Let's say in their defence *LOL* that LCB is used in thermochemical disinfection programs
Think this thing against LCB has nothing to do with tub damage, rather with pollution issues. Zanussi washers had the LCB compartment when sold in Italy, had not it for northern EU markets.
))page 39 of this manual : under the detergents lid there are FOUR compartments : prewash, wash, softener and ..... L C B !
Let's say in their defence *LOL* that LCB is used in thermochemical disinfection programs
Think this thing against LCB has nothing to do with tub damage, rather with pollution issues. Zanussi washers had the LCB compartment when sold in Italy, had not it for northern EU markets.
So, does this mean I can use a small amount of LCB in my Miele W1930? I ask, because 180F washes even with STPP ain't gettin' the whites as white as I remember them being when I could use LCB in the FriGEMore.
The owners' manual of said machine says "DO NOT use bleach in this machine!"
I figured it was a seals or rubber boot damage thing. I think this machine has inner and outer SS tubs.
I'm waiting on tenterhooks...
The owners' manual of said machine says "DO NOT use bleach in this machine!"
I figured it was a seals or rubber boot damage thing. I think this machine has inner and outer SS tubs.
I'm waiting on tenterhooks...
NO!!!
Do NOT use chlorine bleach in that machine! Over time it will cause pin holes to form in the outer tub leaking water on the floor! The reason one can use bleach in the new larger USA Mieles is because they have a fiber glass outer tub with will not form pin hole leaks!
Do NOT use chlorine bleach in that machine! Over time it will cause pin holes to form in the outer tub leaking water on the floor! The reason one can use bleach in the new larger USA Mieles is because they have a fiber glass outer tub with will not form pin hole leaks!
Routine use of LCB in Miele washers, aside from such as indicated in the owner's manual will harm the unit.
It is not only the stainless steel, but various sensors and such that lie between the tubs.
Obviously Miele changed materials for the newest series offered in the United States to allow for the heavy use of chlorine bleach.
That being said, Miele customer service and our local tech stated occasional use *might* not cause harm, but then again one never knows, does one?
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It is not only the stainless steel, but various sensors and such that lie between the tubs.
Obviously Miele changed materials for the newest series offered in the United States to allow for the heavy use of chlorine bleach.
That being said, Miele customer service and our local tech stated occasional use *might* not cause harm, but then again one never knows, does one?
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I have a Miele 4800 washer and a Miele 9800 dryer. The washer heats to a max of 158 degrees. It has a 1000 watts heater and it does rather well heating the water to where it should be. I took the bleach dispenser out of the dispenser since I dont use bleach. I use Persil Universal and that has the bleach built into it. If I decide to use LCB and its very very rare that I do use it then the dispenser only holds less than a 1/4 cup if that.
The washer does a superb job at washing. With most cycles its only has 2 rinses unless I choose Sensitive then it will add another rinse and spin. The washer spins at high speed after the wash and after the first rinse. The washer uses the Hydromatic wash system of where the tumbling starts off slow then builds up to a fast tumble to slam the wash into the drum. The wash on the whites cycle uses very little water. Enough to get the load wet and a small pool in the drum. The rinses add twice the amount of water than the wash.
Overall this machine is well made and rugged. When I got my washer it arrived DOA. I called Miele and they sent a guy out and he diagnosed the problem a bad klixon switch in the motor. He had a replacement motor all ready to go.
Cons on the washer is
1) There is no way that its 4 cu ft as advertised. More like 3 cu ft and it holds as much as my Whirlpool washer.
2) If you have pets and you hang your wash out to dry in the sun then this is a machine not for you. The drum with its Honeycomb design keeps pet hair in the drum. After the wash is done its all over the wash and in mats.
3) The washer takes a long time to get a load done. Lets say I have 6 loads ahead of me and I start at 8 am that day. And I do one load after the other I will not be done til 9 pm that night.
Onto the dryer. The Miele 9800 is only 6.36 cu ft. The drum is long but not all that wide. With a jeans load i can only dry 5 at a time. The dryer is not quiet by any means. It has a low roar to it and she pulls about 400 cfms thru the load. One thing I did was to see if the dryer would still be fast with a load spun in lets say my Maytag A613 washer. What I found was surprising. If the washload isnt spun within an inch of its life at 1100 rpms then the dryer will take forever to get the load dry. What will take 25 mins with the wash done in the Miele 4800 will take up to 90 mins wih the Maytag. The dryer is very enemic as far as heat goes.
The load never gets above body temp and to have anything shrink in this dryer is unheard of.
I do like the filter since its nice and large and does a great job. The drum is lighted and it will shut off automatically if you leave the door open. The cycles force one to use the auto cycles. The time dry cycles are only 40 mins tops. No adjusting time and its rather limited.
The dryer does a fantastic job getting rid of pet hair. Clothes emerge lint and hair free. What the washer lacks the dryer makes up for.
I swapped them out a few months ago and put my Maytag 613 and my Whirlpool dryer in place. Now I breeze thru laundry and I can bang out 6 loads in 3 hours. And the Maytag cleans as well as the Miele without all the drama and time. Plus the clothes dont look like its been washed to death. the Whilpool dryer keeps up with the washer. I do have the matching Whirlpool washer but the Maytag does a much better job rinsing than the Whirlpool.
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The washer does a superb job at washing. With most cycles its only has 2 rinses unless I choose Sensitive then it will add another rinse and spin. The washer spins at high speed after the wash and after the first rinse. The washer uses the Hydromatic wash system of where the tumbling starts off slow then builds up to a fast tumble to slam the wash into the drum. The wash on the whites cycle uses very little water. Enough to get the load wet and a small pool in the drum. The rinses add twice the amount of water than the wash.
Overall this machine is well made and rugged. When I got my washer it arrived DOA. I called Miele and they sent a guy out and he diagnosed the problem a bad klixon switch in the motor. He had a replacement motor all ready to go.
Cons on the washer is
1) There is no way that its 4 cu ft as advertised. More like 3 cu ft and it holds as much as my Whirlpool washer.
2) If you have pets and you hang your wash out to dry in the sun then this is a machine not for you. The drum with its Honeycomb design keeps pet hair in the drum. After the wash is done its all over the wash and in mats.
3) The washer takes a long time to get a load done. Lets say I have 6 loads ahead of me and I start at 8 am that day. And I do one load after the other I will not be done til 9 pm that night.
Onto the dryer. The Miele 9800 is only 6.36 cu ft. The drum is long but not all that wide. With a jeans load i can only dry 5 at a time. The dryer is not quiet by any means. It has a low roar to it and she pulls about 400 cfms thru the load. One thing I did was to see if the dryer would still be fast with a load spun in lets say my Maytag A613 washer. What I found was surprising. If the washload isnt spun within an inch of its life at 1100 rpms then the dryer will take forever to get the load dry. What will take 25 mins with the wash done in the Miele 4800 will take up to 90 mins wih the Maytag. The dryer is very enemic as far as heat goes.
The load never gets above body temp and to have anything shrink in this dryer is unheard of.
I do like the filter since its nice and large and does a great job. The drum is lighted and it will shut off automatically if you leave the door open. The cycles force one to use the auto cycles. The time dry cycles are only 40 mins tops. No adjusting time and its rather limited.
The dryer does a fantastic job getting rid of pet hair. Clothes emerge lint and hair free. What the washer lacks the dryer makes up for.
I swapped them out a few months ago and put my Maytag 613 and my Whirlpool dryer in place. Now I breeze thru laundry and I can bang out 6 loads in 3 hours. And the Maytag cleans as well as the Miele without all the drama and time. Plus the clothes dont look like its been washed to death. the Whilpool dryer keeps up with the washer. I do have the matching Whirlpool washer but the Maytag does a much better job rinsing than the Whirlpool.
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the insides of the washer
washer side
washer side
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inside
washer front
washer front
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the set
washer and dryer
washer and dryer
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Oh and I had to buy the cord. The dryer comes with a 4 prong plug and I have a 3 prong outlet. The cord was $70 and it basically an adapter cord. The washer runs on 120v. I paid about $3000 for these 2 back in 2007. The washer was $1500 and the dryer was going for $1100 the add the cord $70 and then add tax and it was around $133 for a grand total of $2803.
The washer is wired to only run on 120V, it can't be run on 220V. The dryer merely needed a different cord or adapter to match the outlet, all of our 220V outlets are not the same in the US. The heater on the washer from my understanding is activated ONLY on the Sanitary cycle which raises the wash temp to 158F. The washer cannot get any hotter.
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The heater on my washer only kicks in if the incoming water isnt hot enough for the temp selection. It does kick on and off to maintain the wash temp. The adapter is only for the dryer. I can connect the washer to cold only and the computer will adapt and heat the water to where it should be.
