Miele W1 owners

[logixx]

You can add an extra rinse to most cycles. Standard number of rinsed are two, some cycles will rinse three times. All of the W1 washers should have the option to increase the water level during the rinse to one or two inches up the door glass ("Maximum Water Level").

 

[tomdawg]

Do Miele’s go on sale? I wouldn’t mind getting a little bit of a bargain. There is a $100 per machine you buy. But is that good?

Tom

 

[launderess]

Officially from Miele

Answer is "no" or at least very rarely to go on sale or special. Dealers are kept on a very tight lead price wise.

As you can see here, prices are pretty even across the board.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Mie...ItAV4Q_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=984&bih=711&dpr=1.25

That being said there are other ways skin a cat.

There are Miele washers and dryers on FleaPay, Letgo, Offer up, etc.. including the latest W1 and T1 models. Myself passed up a nearly new T1 drying going for $400 on fleaPay not long ago. Apparently owners weren't happy with the thing and just wanted it gone.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...XMiele+washer.TRS0&_nkw=Miele+washer&_sacat=0

 

[sudsmaster]

The cottons cycle on the W1918 has four rinses. Perm Press and Delicates cycles have three rinses. Woolens cycle has 2 rinses.

Next time I accumulate a full load of bath sheets for the Neptune (five bath sheets), I'll take it over to the Miele W1918 and see how many can fit. Six bath sheets can fit into the Neptune but it has difficulty spinning them. So I stick with five max.

 

[tomdawg]

Another question.

TwinDos system..

The online user manual says only use TwinDos system? According to other threads, you can use your own detergent if you wish. 48ml seems like a lot of detergent for me. I’ve also read online, Miele phase 1 is basically phase 1? Can any of you confirm this?

Sorry for so many questions!

 

[henene4]

AFAIK in the US they do not have the empty universal cartridges.

But there isn't much in the way of hindering you in refilling old ones.
As longs as you don't try to use chlorine bleach you should be good to go.

Phase 1 and 2 are entirely different.
One is based on enzymes and surfactants, the other one is brighteners and oxygen bleach.

Who ever says otherwise has no idea what the system is about...

 

[chachp]

Universal TwinDos cartridges

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">Amazon does carry them but I don't know how well they work.  I suspect they would work the same but you'd likely have to play with the amount that gets dosed each time.  It's odd because I don't see them on the Miele website but according to Amazon they are by Miele.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">Amazon reads like they would ship them to the US but its hard to say for sure. </span>

 

[littlegreeny]

Universal TwinDos cartridges

IIRC, it was previously discussed on AW that those universal cartridges do not work/fit on the USA version of the W1.

 

[henene4]

Yep

Thought the same, but apperently they added a nubbin that prevents using those...

 

[chachp]

Glad I didn't order them....

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">Thank you for that.  I didn't realize they wouldn't fit.</span>

 

[tomdawg]

So, you can’t refill the old ones then?

 

[logixx]

People have refilled the used cartridges, from what I've read. The thing is that the washer will pull detergent from both cartridges, regardless of the "whites" or "colors' setting. Depending on the setting, a certain percentage of Phase1 and Phase2 is drawn into the drum. If you refill it with regular detergent, I would imagine you'd have to experiment a lot to get the washer to dose the right amount (since both cartridges are activated).

Hendrik, do you have any idea how to get the correct dosage without being able to deactivate one cartridge, like it's possible in... everywhere but the US?

 

[launderess]

Yes, Miele threw a spanner into using refill cartridges

Someone who once posted on AW purchased a new Miele W1 and T1 set went out and had those empty cartridges sent from Europe. Only to find out they didn't work with washers sold in by Miele in North America. That is why you don't see them on website on this side of pond.

Never under estimate how Miele will ding North American customers, which again explains why so many won't touch their products with a barge pole.

After spending nearly two or more grand for a washing machine Miele is going to quibble about keeping customers on the hook to purchase standard refill cartridges only.

 

[henene4]

Correct dosage

Pretty certain the mixing ratio was 2:1 Blue to White for colors.

So 47ml Phase 1 would give you 23ml of Phase 2 pretty much.

Aren't there ml dosages given for both?

The ratio between the 2 should stay the same regardless of soil and load size.

It think it was 2:1 for colors and 1:1 for whites?

But anyway, dunno how US manufacturers all Label detergent anyways, I would guess starting with an estimate (Like Line 2 in that cap is 4 tablespoons, so 40ml 20/20 Split) and andjusting in Like 2ml steps each might be a good strategy.

 

[launderess]

Unless yet again MieleUSA has different settings

One can adjust dosage for both "1" and "2" cartridges to suit. Thus if using any other product instead of Miele UltraPhase would easily be able to get dosage for one or both where needed.

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/install-miele-twindos.html

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2620853

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5703351/miele-w1-possible-to-ignore-twindos-warning

Problem with American liquid detergents is they are most always overly generously dosed by directions, far in excess of what is needed for 5kg - 8kg front loaders that are very stingy with water.

Persil Pro 2in1 liquid suggests 54ml for a "regular" load (what exactly is that?), but am here to tell you even 35ml is too much for an average 5kg load in my older water hog Miele W1070. That amount of detergent in the newer Lavamat would cause all sorts of problems.

 

[combo52]

Detergent Dosages

Hi Launderess, Detergent recomdations are based on water hardness of around 7-9 grains of hardness by most detergent manufactures, I believe where you live water is much softer.

 

Whenever someone is discussing detergents for DWs, or Laundry it is always helpful to disclose your water conditions, wash water temperature etc, otherwise ones experiences are about useless.

 

John L. 

 

[tomdawg]

48ml seems like a a lot for me. Especially when those small machines don’t like a lot of soap.

I use a detergent called Excelsior, and you only need 1tbs (15ml) if I use more, my Neptune will suds lock. Not to mention I have a water softener.

Refilling with my detergent would help lower the cost, I think I could definitely figure out how much it needs using both cartons.

The manual isn’t really clear on how much you can adjust- to me it’s just adjusted by water hardness setting 1,2 or 3? Or can you adjust the actual ml? If you can adjust the ml I would feel much better.

40ml for an average load is about 35 loads- I do about 10-15 loads a week. Meaning I would be buying every 3 weeks. The cost seems high and almost a deal breaker for me. That’s literally $40 a month just in detergent!

Am I blowing this out of proportion?

Really, I appreciate you all answering these questions. I’ve even called Miele and they don’t seem much help!

 

[sudsmaster]

I usually titrate the detergent by monitoring the suds level. Often for stuff like bath towels I'll wait until the tub fills and then check and see if there are any suds. Then add less detergent than recommended and monitor again. And quite often more suds will show up later in the wash cycle, sometimes even in the rinse cycles. Adding less that recommended is often the best strategy. Especially for front loaders.

Also use vinegar in the fabric softener compartment for items I want to stay absorbent (like towels).

 

[logixx]

My question is: if your detergent calls for 42 ml per load, would you set both cartridges to 42 ml and the machine takes 22 from each (on "whites')? Or would it take 42 from both?

Well, I guess it would be easy enough to tell from the suds level...

 

[chachp]

It looks like you can adjust it...

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">Tom,  It looks like you can accept the preset or adjust to your preference.</span>