oldhouseman
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This is interesting that our government feels it's necessary to return military units for public duty.
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rather like what was done during Elian Gonzales and at Waco
...during the Clinton administration.
Disgusting.
You do realize, folks, that the reason why this abomination of Bush is in the White House is bcause he ran against Gov Ann Richards in Texas and WON because of her (and the Clinton admin) treatment of the folks at Waco?
I'm about as unreligious as they come, but I also believe in leaving people in peace.
In the USA, all anyone does is manufacture allegations of child abuse, and you get crispy crittered.
Shame. And yes, SHAME ON BOTH PARTIES. Neither the D nor the R are better.
...during the Clinton administration.
Disgusting.
You do realize, folks, that the reason why this abomination of Bush is in the White House is bcause he ran against Gov Ann Richards in Texas and WON because of her (and the Clinton admin) treatment of the folks at Waco?
I'm about as unreligious as they come, but I also believe in leaving people in peace.
In the USA, all anyone does is manufacture allegations of child abuse, and you get crispy crittered.
Shame. And yes, SHAME ON BOTH PARTIES. Neither the D nor the R are better.
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Could this be a move to prevent the public from hanging W?
Welcome to 1939 Germany. We will soon be changing the name from Homeland Security to Fatherland security.
Welcome to 1939 Germany. We will soon be changing the name from Homeland Security to Fatherland security.
More likely to happen if Obama doesn't win. You know how peace loving and tolerant those Democrats can be. Besides, that should have happened years ago to secure our borders.
"You know how peace loving and tolerant those Democrats can be."
And it was yesterday that saw REPUBILICANS screaming "Terrorist", Treason" and "KILL HIM" at campaign rallies when provoked with half-truths and lies about Obama.
Get your head out of your ass Peter, you're making a fool of yourself.
And it was yesterday that saw REPUBILICANS screaming "Terrorist", Treason" and "KILL HIM" at campaign rallies when provoked with half-truths and lies about Obama.
Get your head out of your ass Peter, you're making a fool of yourself.
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Hold on there guys
This thread was not a call to take up arms. Besides, if your read the article in full, it's a done deal. There is some history to it also that was not mentioned. For 12 years after the Civil War the military occupied the south and stepped in to matters anytime the government didn't like what was going on (such as elections to insure radical republicans were elected). After reconstruction ended laws were changed to make sure the military did not have a free pass to control civilian affairs.
When Katrina hit New Orleans it was a perfect example of how things could have been different had the laws allowed the military to step in and back up the police or even become the police.
It is all a double edged sword and can be used to enforce a quick martial law declaration on the public if not kept in check.
I believe we have been screwed by both parties but we must do our part as citizens to bring about making things right. As Robert E. Lee told his troops at his farewell address "..go back into the Union and be good citizens" And that is what we must do. Work togeather to bring about the changes we need regardless of the outcome of November. Our nations future is at stake. I for one will make sure my ancestors fight for Independence from Great Britian was not in vein.
For me a scary thing about this plan is that it is based here in Georgia. I guess the feds are still concerned about that old southern saying "If at first you don't seceed..."
This thread was not a call to take up arms. Besides, if your read the article in full, it's a done deal. There is some history to it also that was not mentioned. For 12 years after the Civil War the military occupied the south and stepped in to matters anytime the government didn't like what was going on (such as elections to insure radical republicans were elected). After reconstruction ended laws were changed to make sure the military did not have a free pass to control civilian affairs.
When Katrina hit New Orleans it was a perfect example of how things could have been different had the laws allowed the military to step in and back up the police or even become the police.
It is all a double edged sword and can be used to enforce a quick martial law declaration on the public if not kept in check.
I believe we have been screwed by both parties but we must do our part as citizens to bring about making things right. As Robert E. Lee told his troops at his farewell address "..go back into the Union and be good citizens" And that is what we must do. Work togeather to bring about the changes we need regardless of the outcome of November. Our nations future is at stake. I for one will make sure my ancestors fight for Independence from Great Britian was not in vein.
For me a scary thing about this plan is that it is based here in Georgia. I guess the feds are still concerned about that old southern saying "If at first you don't seceed..."
Oh, and like Libs haven't been calling for the murder of Bush and Cheney on websites all over the place for years, not to mention Randi Rhodes on Air America...
Palin at least was classy about it, saying that her son was presently in Iraq fighting for that bozo that yelled out the comment. Notice she didn't go balistic over it or shut him down. Free speech runs both ways, my dear Marxist friend.
Palin at least was classy about it, saying that her son was presently in Iraq fighting for that bozo that yelled out the comment. Notice she didn't go balistic over it or shut him down. Free speech runs both ways, my dear Marxist friend.
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Like I said guys
that kind of bickering is not the point of this thread. Our Nation is in a grave state. With those kind of attitudes coming out from the public no wonder the military has laid plans for martial law and putting down civil unrest.
that kind of bickering is not the point of this thread. Our Nation is in a grave state. With those kind of attitudes coming out from the public no wonder the military has laid plans for martial law and putting down civil unrest.
Again with the Karl Marx - got anything legitimate in your q
You're right, Greg, this country is terribly divided. It will be a miracle that we could come together in a time of national crisis to get anything done. Someone once said that the politics of the last decade have caused a deep, divisive wound in this country that may take generations to heal. Karl Rove was brilliant with his strategy of "divide and conquer" and that theory of winning elections seems to have made it's way into '08 now too.
From the NYT today -
October 8, 2008
Editorial
Politics of Attack
It is a sorry fact of American political life that campaigns get ugly, often in their final weeks. But Senator John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have been running one of the most appalling campaigns we can remember.
They have gone far beyond the usual fare of quotes taken out of context and distortions of an opponent’s record — into the dark territory of race-baiting and xenophobia. Senator Barack Obama has taken some cheap shots at Mr. McCain, but there is no comparison.
Despite the occasional slip (referring to Mr. Obama’s “cronies” and calling him “that one”), Mr. McCain tried to take a higher road in Tuesday night’s presidential debate. It was hard to keep track of the number of times he referred to his audience as “my friends.” But apart from promising to buy up troubled mortgages as president, he offered no real answers for how he plans to solve the country’s deep economic crisis. He is unable or unwilling to admit that the Republican assault on regulation was to blame.
Ninety minutes of forced cordiality did not erase the dismal ugliness of his campaign in recent weeks, nor did it leave us with much hope that he would not just return to the same dismal ugliness on Wednesday.
Ms. Palin, in particular, revels in the attack. Her campaign rallies have become spectacles of anger and insult. “This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America,” Ms. Palin has taken to saying.
That line follows passages in Ms. Palin’s new stump speech in which she twists Mr. Obama’s ill-advised but fleeting and long-past association with William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground and confessed bomber. By the time she’s done, she implies that Mr. Obama is right now a close friend of Mr. Ayers — and sympathetic to the violent overthrow of the government. The Democrat, she says, “sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”
Her demagoguery has elicited some frightening, intolerable responses. A recent Washington Post report said at a rally in Florida this week a man yelled “kill him!” as Ms. Palin delivered that line and others shouted epithets at an African-American member of a TV crew.
Mr. McCain’s aides haven’t even tried to hide their cynical tactics, saying they were “going negative” in hopes of shifting attention away from the financial crisis — and by implication Mr. McCain’s stumbling response.
We certainly expected better from Mr. McCain, who once showed withering contempt for win-at-any-cost politics. He was driven out of the 2000 Republican primaries by this sort of smear, orchestrated by some of the same people who are now running his campaign.
And the tactic of guilt by association is perplexing, since Mr. McCain has his own list of political associates he would rather forget. We were disappointed to see the Obama campaign air an ad (held for just this occasion) reminding voters of Mr. McCain’s involvement in the Keating Five savings-and-loan debacle, for which he was reprimanded by the Senate. That episode at least bears on Mr. McCain’s claims to be the morally pure candidate and his argument that he alone is capable of doing away with greed, fraud and abuse.
In a way, we should not be surprised that Mr. McCain has stooped so low, since the debate showed once again that he has little else to talk about. He long ago abandoned his signature issues of immigration reform and global warming; his talk of “victory” in Iraq has little to offer a war-weary nation; and his Reagan-inspired ideology of starving government and shredding regulation lies in tatters on Wall Street.
But surely, Mr. McCain and his team can come up with a better answer to that problem than inciting more division, anger and hatred.
You're right, Greg, this country is terribly divided. It will be a miracle that we could come together in a time of national crisis to get anything done. Someone once said that the politics of the last decade have caused a deep, divisive wound in this country that may take generations to heal. Karl Rove was brilliant with his strategy of "divide and conquer" and that theory of winning elections seems to have made it's way into '08 now too.
From the NYT today -
October 8, 2008
Editorial
Politics of Attack
It is a sorry fact of American political life that campaigns get ugly, often in their final weeks. But Senator John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have been running one of the most appalling campaigns we can remember.
They have gone far beyond the usual fare of quotes taken out of context and distortions of an opponent’s record — into the dark territory of race-baiting and xenophobia. Senator Barack Obama has taken some cheap shots at Mr. McCain, but there is no comparison.
Despite the occasional slip (referring to Mr. Obama’s “cronies” and calling him “that one”), Mr. McCain tried to take a higher road in Tuesday night’s presidential debate. It was hard to keep track of the number of times he referred to his audience as “my friends.” But apart from promising to buy up troubled mortgages as president, he offered no real answers for how he plans to solve the country’s deep economic crisis. He is unable or unwilling to admit that the Republican assault on regulation was to blame.
Ninety minutes of forced cordiality did not erase the dismal ugliness of his campaign in recent weeks, nor did it leave us with much hope that he would not just return to the same dismal ugliness on Wednesday.
Ms. Palin, in particular, revels in the attack. Her campaign rallies have become spectacles of anger and insult. “This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America,” Ms. Palin has taken to saying.
That line follows passages in Ms. Palin’s new stump speech in which she twists Mr. Obama’s ill-advised but fleeting and long-past association with William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground and confessed bomber. By the time she’s done, she implies that Mr. Obama is right now a close friend of Mr. Ayers — and sympathetic to the violent overthrow of the government. The Democrat, she says, “sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”
Her demagoguery has elicited some frightening, intolerable responses. A recent Washington Post report said at a rally in Florida this week a man yelled “kill him!” as Ms. Palin delivered that line and others shouted epithets at an African-American member of a TV crew.
Mr. McCain’s aides haven’t even tried to hide their cynical tactics, saying they were “going negative” in hopes of shifting attention away from the financial crisis — and by implication Mr. McCain’s stumbling response.
We certainly expected better from Mr. McCain, who once showed withering contempt for win-at-any-cost politics. He was driven out of the 2000 Republican primaries by this sort of smear, orchestrated by some of the same people who are now running his campaign.
And the tactic of guilt by association is perplexing, since Mr. McCain has his own list of political associates he would rather forget. We were disappointed to see the Obama campaign air an ad (held for just this occasion) reminding voters of Mr. McCain’s involvement in the Keating Five savings-and-loan debacle, for which he was reprimanded by the Senate. That episode at least bears on Mr. McCain’s claims to be the morally pure candidate and his argument that he alone is capable of doing away with greed, fraud and abuse.
In a way, we should not be surprised that Mr. McCain has stooped so low, since the debate showed once again that he has little else to talk about. He long ago abandoned his signature issues of immigration reform and global warming; his talk of “victory” in Iraq has little to offer a war-weary nation; and his Reagan-inspired ideology of starving government and shredding regulation lies in tatters on Wall Street.
But surely, Mr. McCain and his team can come up with a better answer to that problem than inciting more division, anger and hatred.
Greg, thanks for posting this.
I wonder if Cheney has a plan B ready to be executed sometime between oh, say 11/5/08 and 1/20/09 that will require this sort of deployment on a nationwide level should Obama win. I put nothing past him and W to ensure that their agenda of making a complete shambles of the constitution continues past 1/20/09.
I wonder if Cheney has a plan B ready to be executed sometime between oh, say 11/5/08 and 1/20/09 that will require this sort of deployment on a nationwide level should Obama win. I put nothing past him and W to ensure that their agenda of making a complete shambles of the constitution continues past 1/20/09.
Stop buying into the fearmongering.
If you buy into the fearmongering, you bring it on exactly that which you fear.
Refuse to be afraid.
Find the strength within yourself to refuse to be afraid.
Why must everyone think that their fate is "out of their hands?"
Living in fear is a choice. The fearmongers want you to believe it is reality. Absolutely not, it is a personal choice. If you want "them" to win, then continue to fear them and the outcome.
"Free your mind and the rest will follow."
If you buy into the fearmongering, you bring it on exactly that which you fear.
Refuse to be afraid.
Find the strength within yourself to refuse to be afraid.
Why must everyone think that their fate is "out of their hands?"
Living in fear is a choice. The fearmongers want you to believe it is reality. Absolutely not, it is a personal choice. If you want "them" to win, then continue to fear them and the outcome.
"Free your mind and the rest will follow."
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Please Remember
What efforts it took to found our Nation. Our Nation was a very hard won effort. While many here may not have early roots in the nation some here had homesteads when the British marched against us in America.
And we remember our Nations founding.
I am a an American. I am a native Southerner. I can place my ancestors in Virginia in 1611, I have ancestors that served in the House of Burgess in the 1730's ...have ancestors that served with George Washington.
Some served with the Union Army and some with the Confederacy.
My point...I am an American.
We have had one Civil War and we do not need another.
That would encourage outside (foreign) people against us.
We have had our differences over issues but we are Americans.
And we should stand United when our Country is under threat.
And we are under threat. WE ARE IN HISTORIC HARD TIMES.
It will be several economic quarters before things begin to improve. In the mean time we need to tend our homes and our households and do what is best for our Country and homes.
Read the Declaration of Independence if you have never done so. Read our Constitution.
My everyday life's work is focused on our Nation.
My everyday job requires me to know all of our founding documents. And the subsequent history that follows.
I beg you all, Please, remember we are Americans. Let's put our differences aside and do what is right for the good of the Nation.
Greg/Oldhouseman
What efforts it took to found our Nation. Our Nation was a very hard won effort. While many here may not have early roots in the nation some here had homesteads when the British marched against us in America.
And we remember our Nations founding.
I am a an American. I am a native Southerner. I can place my ancestors in Virginia in 1611, I have ancestors that served in the House of Burgess in the 1730's ...have ancestors that served with George Washington.
Some served with the Union Army and some with the Confederacy.
My point...I am an American.
We have had one Civil War and we do not need another.
That would encourage outside (foreign) people against us.
We have had our differences over issues but we are Americans.
And we should stand United when our Country is under threat.
And we are under threat. WE ARE IN HISTORIC HARD TIMES.
It will be several economic quarters before things begin to improve. In the mean time we need to tend our homes and our households and do what is best for our Country and homes.
Read the Declaration of Independence if you have never done so. Read our Constitution.
My everyday life's work is focused on our Nation.
My everyday job requires me to know all of our founding documents. And the subsequent history that follows.
I beg you all, Please, remember we are Americans. Let's put our differences aside and do what is right for the good of the Nation.
Greg/Oldhouseman
what a BEAUTIFUL picture.
That 72 Sears catalogue...
Honestly, I don't see the nation unifying. We are extremely divided, which is being done by the politicians on the LEFT AND THE RIGHT and the sheeple are just baaaing their way to destruction.
It is unfortunate- nay, criminal, as the United States of America is the most incredible nation ever founded, one conceived on the idea that rights are god given, that the state is subordinate to the individual, and that freedom is the most important thing ever.
Too bad citizens of this great nation don't seem to believe that anymore. All they care about is their 50 inch plasma televisions.
You know folks, I've seen so much hatred being spewed by lefties here that I'm afraid I have to leave AW as I have left other websites, left and right. It's been fun, and I'm sorry that this is necessary. But you all seems little different than the intolerant scum that you despise.
Nate
That 72 Sears catalogue...
Honestly, I don't see the nation unifying. We are extremely divided, which is being done by the politicians on the LEFT AND THE RIGHT and the sheeple are just baaaing their way to destruction.
It is unfortunate- nay, criminal, as the United States of America is the most incredible nation ever founded, one conceived on the idea that rights are god given, that the state is subordinate to the individual, and that freedom is the most important thing ever.
Too bad citizens of this great nation don't seem to believe that anymore. All they care about is their 50 inch plasma televisions.
You know folks, I've seen so much hatred being spewed by lefties here that I'm afraid I have to leave AW as I have left other websites, left and right. It's been fun, and I'm sorry that this is necessary. But you all seems little different than the intolerant scum that you despise.
Nate
