montpellier dryers??
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jetsystem1200
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Would my Zanussi dryer also be made in Poland? This is because it also does not mention where it was made, but it came with a care and use sticker with "Zoppas Electrolux SpA" on it. I know that Zoppas is a marque of Zanussi. It is a ZDC47200W.
aegokocarat
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i thought the same for my zanussi dryer, or it could be French or Belgian made as i saw factories for them in those two countries or even Sewwden?
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All variants of this model are from Poland.
There is no factory nowadays that is dedicated to just one brand, and I think it is safe to say it has been that way for many years.
The Alcala factory was bought by zanussi, before it become part of Electrolux.
Tom, it could be the communication wire to the board is failing, these are routed through the hinge so it is in an area where it could fail.
All variants of this model are from Poland.
There is no factory nowadays that is dedicated to just one brand, and I think it is safe to say it has been that way for many years.
The Alcala factory was bought by zanussi, before it become part of Electrolux.
Tom, it could be the communication wire to the board is failing, these are routed through the hinge so it is in an area where it could fail.
aegokocarat
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i had suspected that they were from poland
the vid in the link is a tour of elux's factories in poland
Tom
the vid in the link is a tour of elux's factories in poland
Tom
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Just on a side note, it seems that my Zanussi washer has been discontinued. No mention of it on Zanussi's website or on some online stores. Zanussi machines now have a max spin of 1400 rpm. I wonder if a new range is coming soon...
glenfieldmathk1
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Zanussi is not the best
Can I just say in reply to posts (#65,#66) that Zanussi washers are certainlky not the best, there was a lot of slagging of over Bosch on this forum but tbh, atleast a Bosch can still be repaired, unlike Zanussi, bearings go, they will right the machine off, as they break just outside guarantee, and too expensive to fix. Recently AEG's have been failing just over 5 years, which is not acceptable for the Electroluxes. At least with Bosch (Similar, if not cheaper than Zanussi) use good parts, tested in Germany to ensure it is built to the high exacting standards (Logixx machines made in Germany) and more importantly bearings are accessible (Exception Clasixx5/Maxx5 which seem to have been discontinued now).
I also wouldn't go buy an LG over a Bosch either, or Go for Siemens, as they all made in Germany and have atleast 5 years parts & Labour, and unlike AEG, Zanussi don't fail immediately after this is up. LG are expensive, and as seen in USA Explode, OK only top loaders have done this, but LG make out it is the customers fault, when actually this should not happen anyway. Another problem with LG is inside the 12KG, and 11KG models the tub is positioned next to the outside walls, and plastic is thinner than the one Indesit use on Hotpoints. This tub gets out of balance it is going to crush, and add extra vibrations as it is in direct contact with the walls of the machine, or it will mean extra long cycle durations balancing the load.
I also would never switch from a Vented to a condenser model - reason:
1. Condensers take much longer to dry clothes than Vented, as in a vented you have more air going through
2. You don't have to spend ages cleaning a vented dryer, whereas a condenser you need to clean it all over.
3. A Condenser may start as B rated, but over time it decreases to D, e and even F energy rating, because too many people fail to clean it properly, and parts cannot be cleaned.
4. Vented C dryers, are actually more efficient than B rated Condensers, because of the Energy rating scale for dryers.
These are just my opinions, but kind of think your crazy changing from a vented to condenser.
Can I also mention my Uncle has a vented dryer in cupboard, there's no outside wall so he uses a condenser box and has had no problems with it for the 5 years he has been using it.
All you need to do is add ICE or a cold element, and the device collects the water. The whole point of the device is that it will blow dry air out, as it is a vented dryer, and there is more air flow.
All of these are my own opinions and views.
Can I just say in reply to posts (#65,#66) that Zanussi washers are certainlky not the best, there was a lot of slagging of over Bosch on this forum but tbh, atleast a Bosch can still be repaired, unlike Zanussi, bearings go, they will right the machine off, as they break just outside guarantee, and too expensive to fix. Recently AEG's have been failing just over 5 years, which is not acceptable for the Electroluxes. At least with Bosch (Similar, if not cheaper than Zanussi) use good parts, tested in Germany to ensure it is built to the high exacting standards (Logixx machines made in Germany) and more importantly bearings are accessible (Exception Clasixx5/Maxx5 which seem to have been discontinued now).
I also wouldn't go buy an LG over a Bosch either, or Go for Siemens, as they all made in Germany and have atleast 5 years parts & Labour, and unlike AEG, Zanussi don't fail immediately after this is up. LG are expensive, and as seen in USA Explode, OK only top loaders have done this, but LG make out it is the customers fault, when actually this should not happen anyway. Another problem with LG is inside the 12KG, and 11KG models the tub is positioned next to the outside walls, and plastic is thinner than the one Indesit use on Hotpoints. This tub gets out of balance it is going to crush, and add extra vibrations as it is in direct contact with the walls of the machine, or it will mean extra long cycle durations balancing the load.
I also would never switch from a Vented to a condenser model - reason:
1. Condensers take much longer to dry clothes than Vented, as in a vented you have more air going through
2. You don't have to spend ages cleaning a vented dryer, whereas a condenser you need to clean it all over.
3. A Condenser may start as B rated, but over time it decreases to D, e and even F energy rating, because too many people fail to clean it properly, and parts cannot be cleaned.
4. Vented C dryers, are actually more efficient than B rated Condensers, because of the Energy rating scale for dryers.
These are just my opinions, but kind of think your crazy changing from a vented to condenser.
Can I also mention my Uncle has a vented dryer in cupboard, there's no outside wall so he uses a condenser box and has had no problems with it for the 5 years he has been using it.
All you need to do is add ICE or a cold element, and the device collects the water. The whole point of the device is that it will blow dry air out, as it is a vented dryer, and there is more air flow.
All of these are my own opinions and views.
I think the change is solely based upon practicalities re the condenser dryer, and yes you are right the better maintained the dryer is, the more efficient it is. The amount of times I have seen user error due to filters not being cleaned, with the common answers “I thought it was meant to be like that” or “I didn’t know it had one” I’ve lost count on! (I’m not saying this applies to anyone on here)
Condenser dryers do take longer, and that is one of the downsides + the extra cleaning of the condenser. But in the case of Tom’s dryer it flushes itself clean. That has to be an improvement!
As it goes the Zanussi is not the worst bit of kit in the dryer world at a reasonable price. As far as washing machines from the Electrolux group, they used to be very good, and sadly with the way of this market they have to find ways of remaining competitive. Whether that would be closing factories to where the workers are cheaper, or to reduce the amount of cost in production by sealing drums. Electrolux are not the only corporation who have restructured through acquisitions, harmonising etc. Bosch have quite a few factories in Poland, as have Indesit, and Whirlpool.
As you say it's all about personal opinion.
The LG is new technology, and is at best a top loader turned into a front loader. I would think this design will heavily rely on the electronics for balancing, and heaven help if they should fail as I bet that will go with a nice bang!
PS a nice bit of footage of the LG design.
Condenser dryers do take longer, and that is one of the downsides + the extra cleaning of the condenser. But in the case of Tom’s dryer it flushes itself clean. That has to be an improvement!
As it goes the Zanussi is not the worst bit of kit in the dryer world at a reasonable price. As far as washing machines from the Electrolux group, they used to be very good, and sadly with the way of this market they have to find ways of remaining competitive. Whether that would be closing factories to where the workers are cheaper, or to reduce the amount of cost in production by sealing drums. Electrolux are not the only corporation who have restructured through acquisitions, harmonising etc. Bosch have quite a few factories in Poland, as have Indesit, and Whirlpool.
As you say it's all about personal opinion.
The LG is new technology, and is at best a top loader turned into a front loader. I would think this design will heavily rely on the electronics for balancing, and heaven help if they should fail as I bet that will go with a nice bang!
PS a nice bit of footage of the LG design.
I'm getting a condensor, as Andy correctly said, because of the practicalities of it - i won't be able to externally vent a vented dryer where i'm moving to and i don't want to have to keep a steady flow of ice in the freezer for a condensor box. If i had a choice i'd be saving my money & making do with the quicker, quieter vented dryer i already own, which i won't be getting rid of anyway. There is certainly no snobbery towards condensors where i'm concerned, it's purely more practical to have one for the time being!
I agree that the sealed tubs being used on many Electrolux washers is a great shame & i believe it will cost them customers as it's not the sort of corner-cutting people would associate with Zanussi or AEG. However, if Bosch's lower models (ie Clasixx models) also have sealed tubs then BSH are little better, since you'd struggle to get a BSH machine with accesible bearings for Zanussi money. You'd have to spend AEG money to get a BSH machine with accesible bearings & then unless you buy a Siemens machine (5yr warranty) you get a 2 year warranty compared to AEGs 5 years on similar priced machines. I do think AEG should fit split tubs but if they're gonna pick up the tab if the bearings go before the machines 5th Birthday then that lessens my anxiety somewhat.
To be honest it's about only spending upto a set amount on a particular make of machine. If you want a Zanussi, it's not worth spending more than £300 since you're living on borrowed time after the 3rd year & will have no backup should things fail beyond year 1. AEG still has a place in the market but i wouldn't spend more than £500 on one unless a 5yr warranty was included, particularly now they've started using welded tubs. A £500+ machine with a 2 year warranty (such as a high spec Bosch or entry Miele) is a poor deal in my opinion since if they fail at 4-5 years the customer is on their own & faces scrapping a machine that cost significantly more than a Zanussi within a similar timeframe to a Zanussi.
It's also arguable that unless you're a particular fan of Miele, Siemens makes more sence until you reach £900+ as they have a 5yr warranty on products of around £600 compared to the stingy 2 year on many Miele products costing even more. Yes a Siemens might be getting tired earlier than a Miele but if a £600 Siemens fails in year 6 or 7 you've had your moneys worth. If a Miele costing £700-£900 fails in year 6 or 7 you could feel abit short-changed with no warranty back-up, but it can happen. Ofcourse the Miele machines with 5 or 10 year warranty would be preferable to an AEG or Siemens but this more generous warranty seems to be increasingly rare on Miele's that i've seen and spending upwards of £500 on anything with only 2-years backing would be a struggle for me, regardless of badge reputation - it's too much to potentially lose if things fail prematurely.
Liam
I agree that the sealed tubs being used on many Electrolux washers is a great shame & i believe it will cost them customers as it's not the sort of corner-cutting people would associate with Zanussi or AEG. However, if Bosch's lower models (ie Clasixx models) also have sealed tubs then BSH are little better, since you'd struggle to get a BSH machine with accesible bearings for Zanussi money. You'd have to spend AEG money to get a BSH machine with accesible bearings & then unless you buy a Siemens machine (5yr warranty) you get a 2 year warranty compared to AEGs 5 years on similar priced machines. I do think AEG should fit split tubs but if they're gonna pick up the tab if the bearings go before the machines 5th Birthday then that lessens my anxiety somewhat.
To be honest it's about only spending upto a set amount on a particular make of machine. If you want a Zanussi, it's not worth spending more than £300 since you're living on borrowed time after the 3rd year & will have no backup should things fail beyond year 1. AEG still has a place in the market but i wouldn't spend more than £500 on one unless a 5yr warranty was included, particularly now they've started using welded tubs. A £500+ machine with a 2 year warranty (such as a high spec Bosch or entry Miele) is a poor deal in my opinion since if they fail at 4-5 years the customer is on their own & faces scrapping a machine that cost significantly more than a Zanussi within a similar timeframe to a Zanussi.
It's also arguable that unless you're a particular fan of Miele, Siemens makes more sence until you reach £900+ as they have a 5yr warranty on products of around £600 compared to the stingy 2 year on many Miele products costing even more. Yes a Siemens might be getting tired earlier than a Miele but if a £600 Siemens fails in year 6 or 7 you've had your moneys worth. If a Miele costing £700-£900 fails in year 6 or 7 you could feel abit short-changed with no warranty back-up, but it can happen. Ofcourse the Miele machines with 5 or 10 year warranty would be preferable to an AEG or Siemens but this more generous warranty seems to be increasingly rare on Miele's that i've seen and spending upwards of £500 on anything with only 2-years backing would be a struggle for me, regardless of badge reputation - it's too much to potentially lose if things fail prematurely.
Liam
glenfieldmathk1
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Don't get me wrong...
..I would still be happy to buy a AEG, as it does feature a 5 year guarantee, but personally I would buy a Bosch over Zanussi.
Also Bosch Clasixx 7 (Replacement for Bosch Avantixx7) launched May 2012 has an accessible tub, the clasixx/maxx I were on about were the Chinese spec, different design, 3 buttons, different door, occasionally a different drum slipped through too, most recent ones did feature a 6KG load, and the Bosch Clasixx door, however they lacked Pre-Wash option, and were exclusive to John Lewis for some time.
All other Bosch machines, as far as I was aware, have an accessible tub. Zanussi, similar price, if not more expensive, only feature 1 year guarantee as opposed to 2, but also have the sealed units.
In Dryers, I would buy a Zanussi over a Bosch, simply because Zanussi reverse! But for the same price I would buy Hotpoint which feature glass door, and made in UK.
..I would still be happy to buy a AEG, as it does feature a 5 year guarantee, but personally I would buy a Bosch over Zanussi.
Also Bosch Clasixx 7 (Replacement for Bosch Avantixx7) launched May 2012 has an accessible tub, the clasixx/maxx I were on about were the Chinese spec, different design, 3 buttons, different door, occasionally a different drum slipped through too, most recent ones did feature a 6KG load, and the Bosch Clasixx door, however they lacked Pre-Wash option, and were exclusive to John Lewis for some time.
All other Bosch machines, as far as I was aware, have an accessible tub. Zanussi, similar price, if not more expensive, only feature 1 year guarantee as opposed to 2, but also have the sealed units.
In Dryers, I would buy a Zanussi over a Bosch, simply because Zanussi reverse! But for the same price I would buy Hotpoint which feature glass door, and made in UK.
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My Zanussi came with a 2 year guarantee as I purchased a Jetsystem model before Christmas. Also, I bought it because I am loyal to the Electrolux group and I read somewhere that Jetsystem models have split tubs. I also wanted an inverter motor, and the Zanussi model provided me with that. Don't get me wrong, I love Bosch and Hotpoint, but the Bosch did not have the same quality feel as the Zanussi did and the Bosch was £100 more expensive.
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aegokocarat
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my zanussi taxed me when i bought it (it cost £440) and i had terrible trouble with it. i would gladly buy any other brand for washers bar zanussi
dryers on the other hand i recomend zanussi,BSH group, indesit company and whirlpool.
zanussi's service center were of absoloutley no help, after moaning to them they caved and sent out an engener, her told me that the washer should never have left the premises and the problem should have been detected when testing.
Tom
dryers on the other hand i recomend zanussi,BSH group, indesit company and whirlpool.
zanussi's service center were of absoloutley no help, after moaning to them they caved and sent out an engener, her told me that the washer should never have left the premises and the problem should have been detected when testing.
Tom
aegokocarat
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the plot thickens!!
i was on google and found its German cousin, it has a whirlpool drum and a miele door opening!
Optima,Andy, i think we need your expert help again lol
Tom
i was on google and found its German cousin, it has a whirlpool drum and a miele door opening!
Optima,Andy, i think we need your expert help again lol
Tom
optima
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Montpellier
I have just ordered the vented one, so i will take some pictures of it when it comes in on Tuesday.
I have just ordered the vented one, so i will take some pictures of it when it comes in on Tuesday.
aegokocarat
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cheers Optima
im curious about the origin of the condenser model, it looks like it has somthing to do with whirlpool...hmmm
Tom
im curious about the origin of the condenser model, it looks like it has somthing to do with whirlpool...hmmm
Tom
aegokocarat
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these dryers are very much so a mystery lol
Tom
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