A alternate method of some ilk is needed to distribute microwave energy through the cooking cavity if there's no turntable, yes? A concealed rotating deflector/fan was common before turntables were put into vogue.
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A alternate method of some ilk is needed to distribute microwave energy through the cooking cavity if there's no turntable, yes? A concealed rotating deflector/fan was common before turntables were put into vogue.
Correct-The Sharp has a large motor driven rotating antenna beneath the ceramic shelf which evenly distributes microwave energy. In addition to a bottom energy feed concept and a square shaped cavity with strategic indentations all 3 lead to very, very even cooking results. The results are better than my over the range GE microwave which has a turn table. As such power levels are not needed for everyday cooking. I've even done some defrosting without the meat becoming cooked.
Turn tables and power levels merely compensate for uneven and/or static microwave distribution.
Turn tables and power levels merely compensate for uneven and/or static microwave distribution.
That's all commendable but the typical consumer is unaware or unconcerned to 'scope-out turntable vs. rotating antenna wave diffuser. Choice of power levels solves the issue for them.
Right- but you'd think AW.org members would understand the difference (and hear you through) instead of assuming my microwave cooks unevenly and that I only like my Sharp for its one knob. Contrary to what has been said about me performance and outstanding results matter a great deal to me.
Chet,
I can’t remember saying something about burning food in a microwave. I prefer several levels because reheating food often works better at a lower level. Thawing things requires even a lower level, otherwise you will be cooking the food before it has thawed completely.
BTW I dislike turntables. Both my combo’s have a rotary antenna.
I can’t remember saying something about burning food in a microwave. I prefer several levels because reheating food often works better at a lower level. Thawing things requires even a lower level, otherwise you will be cooking the food before it has thawed completely.
BTW I dislike turntables. Both my combo’s have a rotary antenna.
I can't find the exact post I have in mind, but here is one example in Reply #15:
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?95280
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Never had a problem with rust in a microwave.
I would never buy a microwave with only one power level. 1000 Watts is great for heating up liquids but not for reheating food. Around 600 Watts is the max. for that purpose. It’s better to reheat slower, the food stays more intact and doesn’t taste overcooked.
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This post paints all microwave ovens with a broad brush in addition to receiving 4 upvotes of approval. Microwave ovens which heat food evenly can go well above 1000 watts without food tasting over cooked or falling apart. Reheating food best works at high power levels because it is fast, thorough and precise. There is no 600 watt maximum limit. I could see how a person whose never used an even heating oven could reach such a conclusion and agree with such a statement however having personally used restaurant/commercial microwave ovens including my Sharp I can indeed tell you wattage does not result in overcooking most reheat-able items. What matters is the distribution, reflection, deflection, source and antenna output coupling (swapping the cathode current input by 180* or some other phase angle) when multiple magnetrons are involved. As such powerlevels are only needed for a handful of applications like defrosting meat or melting chocolate. Good engineering takes care of the rest.
Also between flat bed microwaves there are differences- some heat more evenly than others.
I encourage you to try a genuine commercial Sharp microwave and experience the beauty of both fast and even cooking.
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?95280
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Never had a problem with rust in a microwave.
I would never buy a microwave with only one power level. 1000 Watts is great for heating up liquids but not for reheating food. Around 600 Watts is the max. for that purpose. It’s better to reheat slower, the food stays more intact and doesn’t taste overcooked.
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This post paints all microwave ovens with a broad brush in addition to receiving 4 upvotes of approval. Microwave ovens which heat food evenly can go well above 1000 watts without food tasting over cooked or falling apart. Reheating food best works at high power levels because it is fast, thorough and precise. There is no 600 watt maximum limit. I could see how a person whose never used an even heating oven could reach such a conclusion and agree with such a statement however having personally used restaurant/commercial microwave ovens including my Sharp I can indeed tell you wattage does not result in overcooking most reheat-able items. What matters is the distribution, reflection, deflection, source and antenna output coupling (swapping the cathode current input by 180* or some other phase angle) when multiple magnetrons are involved. As such powerlevels are only needed for a handful of applications like defrosting meat or melting chocolate. Good engineering takes care of the rest.
Also between flat bed microwaves there are differences- some heat more evenly than others.
I encourage you to try a genuine commercial Sharp microwave and experience the beauty of both fast and even cooking.
I have loads of experience with a lot of microwaves. From that experience I have my preferences. You have different preferences. Accept that.
Microwave, cooking, evenness, and heating speeds
Chet, you’re comparing to run-of-the-mill microwaves you should really broaden your experience. There have been many interesting things made in the world while I’m glad that you find happiness with a cheap Asian built microwave that doesn’t have a turntable. It’s hardly the best microwave ever built for home use.
All microwaves have some evenness problems. It’s just the nature of having straight line microwave energy bouncing around in a metal box trying to find the food, generally the best most even cooking microwaves are ones that have both turntable and a wave stirrer. It’s definitely beneficial to cook foods at lower powers, especially when just reheating because it gives the food time to even out the temperature and it doesn’t damage food at the edges, etc. from overheating it. This is a must when defrosting.
It’s too bad you can’t come out of your comfort zone enough to ever come and see, the 30 or 40 microwaves we have in our collection there are models that cook from multiple directions at once and of course the collection of micro thermal ovens that are the truly the winners for Speed and even cooking, we have 14 micro thermal self cleaning oven if you really wanna see something that works These are amazing.
Back on the original topic, the tide simply products are actually just weak value products. I made the mistake of buying several bottles for a dollar a bottle at a flea market and it’s OK if things aren't dirty, I guess, but I wouldn’t waste my money on it .
What are the best deals on detergent right now? Aldi‘s premium liquid laundry detergent It actually has seven different enzymes and it works very well and is moderate cost. If you’re trying to save money, Costco’s products are also very good.
I always have lots of different detergent choices when doing laundry, I almost always use powered Tide and add some liquid Aldi as well. Its not a great idea to always use the same detergent, all detergents have different properties both good and bad [ its just like shampoo or DW detergent ] You should switch them out from time for best results.
John
Chet, you’re comparing to run-of-the-mill microwaves you should really broaden your experience. There have been many interesting things made in the world while I’m glad that you find happiness with a cheap Asian built microwave that doesn’t have a turntable. It’s hardly the best microwave ever built for home use.
All microwaves have some evenness problems. It’s just the nature of having straight line microwave energy bouncing around in a metal box trying to find the food, generally the best most even cooking microwaves are ones that have both turntable and a wave stirrer. It’s definitely beneficial to cook foods at lower powers, especially when just reheating because it gives the food time to even out the temperature and it doesn’t damage food at the edges, etc. from overheating it. This is a must when defrosting.
It’s too bad you can’t come out of your comfort zone enough to ever come and see, the 30 or 40 microwaves we have in our collection there are models that cook from multiple directions at once and of course the collection of micro thermal ovens that are the truly the winners for Speed and even cooking, we have 14 micro thermal self cleaning oven if you really wanna see something that works These are amazing.
Back on the original topic, the tide simply products are actually just weak value products. I made the mistake of buying several bottles for a dollar a bottle at a flea market and it’s OK if things aren't dirty, I guess, but I wouldn’t waste my money on it .
What are the best deals on detergent right now? Aldi‘s premium liquid laundry detergent It actually has seven different enzymes and it works very well and is moderate cost. If you’re trying to save money, Costco’s products are also very good.
I always have lots of different detergent choices when doing laundry, I almost always use powered Tide and add some liquid Aldi as well. Its not a great idea to always use the same detergent, all detergents have different properties both good and bad [ its just like shampoo or DW detergent ] You should switch them out from time for best results.
John
The free and clear are cheapos mostly for small loads where I don't want to use a POD. They work well for lighly soiled items. The PODs are for anything series. I will look into Aldi detergents. Jerome's Persil has my interests at peak too.
I'm debating switching back to powder, I used to always use powder, but the simplicity of the POD lured me in. No guess work, easy and no scoop to rinse out. I like my scoops clean even though I should just leave it in the powder box.
The rest of your reply I'll respond to in the micro thread.
I'm debating switching back to powder, I used to always use powder, but the simplicity of the POD lured me in. No guess work, easy and no scoop to rinse out. I like my scoops clean even though I should just leave it in the powder box.
The rest of your reply I'll respond to in the micro thread.
Capitalizing pod infers it being an acronym ... for what? Piece of detergent?
Thats what I was thinking
Toss in and go.
My concrete thinking married with my simplicity has me LOL.
Toss in and go.
My concrete thinking married with my simplicity has me LOL.
volvoman
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John - a couple of questions here...
1: "..[T]he 30 or 40 microwaves we have in our collection there are models that cook from multiple directions at once..."
Are these new? Or vintage? I ask, because we've got a Sharp Carousel from the mid 1990s that we're hemming and hawing over replacing or not. It works...but there's always that fear that it may not.
2: "...Aldi‘s premium liquid laundry detergent It actually has seven different enzymes and it works very well and is moderate cost..."
I'm guessing this is the Tandil in the orange/red bottle? Never knew it was that enzyme-packed. If it's as good as you say it is, we might try it, as we're almost out of our Tide-Matic liquid.
John - a couple of questions here...
1: "..[T]he 30 or 40 microwaves we have in our collection there are models that cook from multiple directions at once..."
Are these new? Or vintage? I ask, because we've got a Sharp Carousel from the mid 1990s that we're hemming and hawing over replacing or not. It works...but there's always that fear that it may not.
2: "...Aldi‘s premium liquid laundry detergent It actually has seven different enzymes and it works very well and is moderate cost..."
I'm guessing this is the Tandil in the orange/red bottle? Never knew it was that enzyme-packed. If it's as good as you say it is, we might try it, as we're almost out of our Tide-Matic liquid.
Vintage microwave ovens
Hi Steve, yes mostly they’re vintage countertop microwave ovens going from the late 60s through the 80s.
We also have a collection of micro thermal full-size ranges. Most of those are hooked up and working in the museum kitchen. I think we have everyone that ever was sold in the United States.
We have a couple of the built-in microwave ovens. The oldest one is 1955. The newest one is 1968 Tappan which is a microwave with a self cleaning wall oven beneath it.
Yes, the detergent I was talking about is the Aldi‘s premium Tandil liquid laundry detergent in the orange bottle, I’ve always believed in life to have the best product for the money, not compromising and buying junk, but I also won’t pay more for things that are not better, this is one of the reasons I frequently have criticized Maytag appliances from the past Maytag did build some very good appliances, but they also build a lot of overpriced stuff that wasn’t as good as whirlpool and GE and that makes no sense to me.
By being thrifty and smart with my money and a little bit lucky I was able to buy a house by 23 and the second home by the time I was 30 which I still have. I was a millionaire before I was 50. And You probably couldn’t find one brand-name food item in my kitchen for example.
If a product is truly better for my use, I will pay for it. I’ve had good luck with my iPhones and Apple computers. There are some things I will pay extra for .
John
Hi Steve, yes mostly they’re vintage countertop microwave ovens going from the late 60s through the 80s.
We also have a collection of micro thermal full-size ranges. Most of those are hooked up and working in the museum kitchen. I think we have everyone that ever was sold in the United States.
We have a couple of the built-in microwave ovens. The oldest one is 1955. The newest one is 1968 Tappan which is a microwave with a self cleaning wall oven beneath it.
Yes, the detergent I was talking about is the Aldi‘s premium Tandil liquid laundry detergent in the orange bottle, I’ve always believed in life to have the best product for the money, not compromising and buying junk, but I also won’t pay more for things that are not better, this is one of the reasons I frequently have criticized Maytag appliances from the past Maytag did build some very good appliances, but they also build a lot of overpriced stuff that wasn’t as good as whirlpool and GE and that makes no sense to me.
By being thrifty and smart with my money and a little bit lucky I was able to buy a house by 23 and the second home by the time I was 30 which I still have. I was a millionaire before I was 50. And You probably couldn’t find one brand-name food item in my kitchen for example.
If a product is truly better for my use, I will pay for it. I’ve had good luck with my iPhones and Apple computers. There are some things I will pay extra for .
John
panasonicvac
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The current detergents I use
Our go to is the Tide Original liquid (HE of course). Though once the last jug goes, I'd like to switch. We also have liquid Tide Ultra OXI with Odor Blasters for my brother. Though we also have his Clorox Colors and Kirkland UltraClean pods we're trying to use up for him cause we won't be buying anymore for our laundry room. Then we have Oxiclean, Arm & Hammer, and Borax for our boosters. We have Tide Original powder for soaking. Spray 'n Wash for stain remover. Both Clorox and Great Value for Bleach. And both Bounce and Kirkland UltraSoft for dryer sheets. Once in a while I like to use Sanitizer, Great Value white distilled vinegar is my go to but I'd also use Lysol whenever they'd go on sale at Costco.
Our go to is the Tide Original liquid (HE of course). Though once the last jug goes, I'd like to switch. We also have liquid Tide Ultra OXI with Odor Blasters for my brother. Though we also have his Clorox Colors and Kirkland UltraClean pods we're trying to use up for him cause we won't be buying anymore for our laundry room. Then we have Oxiclean, Arm & Hammer, and Borax for our boosters. We have Tide Original powder for soaking. Spray 'n Wash for stain remover. Both Clorox and Great Value for Bleach. And both Bounce and Kirkland UltraSoft for dryer sheets. Once in a while I like to use Sanitizer, Great Value white distilled vinegar is my go to but I'd also use Lysol whenever they'd go on sale at Costco.
Just an update. I am enjoying the Berry Blossom sent so much I had to get another bottle. I am using more than I should, but I love the scent in my shirts and towels. Right now I'm doing a load of new towels, and of course, dosing generously for a nice lingering scent.
To everyone else the Persil detergents are next, along with Tide Professional.
To everyone else the Persil detergents are next, along with Tide Professional.
yuccadew
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Why is it so incredibly satisfying to see pictures of peoples cleaning products 
?
This is my current line up.
The Woolite for Darks I use all the time on my own clothes.
The Tide liquid I use frequently, and I’m trying to get through that Persil powder.
The Zum by Indigo Wild I use once in a while, when I’m in the mood for that scent. Usually in the winter.
Same with the Ivory liquid. They changed the classic scent to a cucumber melon type of a scent, and I need to be in the mood for it.
Not pictured is a 2.5 lb bag of STPP powder I just bought, liquid and tablet bleach, and Ecover fabric softener.
?This is my current line up.
The Woolite for Darks I use all the time on my own clothes.
The Tide liquid I use frequently, and I’m trying to get through that Persil powder.
The Zum by Indigo Wild I use once in a while, when I’m in the mood for that scent. Usually in the winter.
Same with the Ivory liquid. They changed the classic scent to a cucumber melon type of a scent, and I need to be in the mood for it.
Not pictured is a 2.5 lb bag of STPP powder I just bought, liquid and tablet bleach, and Ecover fabric softener.
