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matchboxpaul

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....and now I need your help.

Over the last year or so , my interest in washers and dryers has really taken off again, having spent many years lying dormant underground.

This interest has manifested itself in a personal challenge to myself to collate and tabulate information on all Hoover front loading washing machines and their dryer siblings which have been sold in the UK from the 3224 Keymatic through to the abandonment of the square door in the early 1990s.

Thanks to the help of Mike King (yep I have finally joined Mike), Kevin Cox and Alistair Kerr, I have managed to gleen a pretty good understanding of the Hoover ranges through the 60's, 70's and 80's. BUT there is one machine which no one, apart from me, seems to remember or has any knowledge of and it is driving me mad!

After the initial Keymatic (3224 and 3226), Hoover introduced the 27" widebody series of machines, such as the 3203/3223H keymatics and 3208/3221H automatics and it is to this series of machines that my 'problem' belongs to.

It was owned by and aunt and uncle of mine and was a widebody automatic, the design of which was the spitting image of the RED version 3236H matchbox machine which would have superceeded it.
It had grab handles on the bodysides, in case you were mad enough to try and move it and a door lever in the same style as all the other widebody machines. A slate grey powder drawer on the front, silver facia and red logo and ring round the programmer dial.

Those are the certainties - lost in the mists of time are whether it had an AorB button or a programme guide.

Now for the assumptions. I would have thought that it would have been on sale alongside the 3223H keymatic and could have been one of two things:

either a simple automatic replacement for the 3221H (which had no powder compartment at all)
OR
Hoovers first ever Automatic de Luxe. The reasoning behind this thought is that it was, styling wise, pretty much identical to the 3236H Automatic de Luxe which would have replaced it.

Any help on solving this mystery would be very much appreciated (as would any images of these early hoover automatics).

Rather embarrassingly, when initially enquiring about the machine, I did an MS Paint rendering of what it sort of looked like and, oh my god, I have attached it.
Please don't laugh too hard!

Rack your brains and fingers crossed on my part that someone out there knows what I am on about.
All the best
Paul

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Matchbox!!!

Hi Paul

Welcome to the club & glad you finally joined, must thank you for the stirling job you did on the timeline of the Hoover machines, its fascinating working out all the variations, just need the time to do it...

I`ve asked a couple of Hoover dealers who trained on the sixties machines and none of them say they remember seeing what you describe, also have looked at two sets of Hoovers manuals thinking I might be missing something in mine, but all show no model like this....

I wonder if it was a renovated model, like a Hoover engineer/shop could have retrofitted a timer into a problematic keymatic etc....or sold it like that?? one thing I did notice was that those fascias where in a number of parts, and as the whole top hinged & pivoted for servicing you could easily swap out the keplate for a timer...

I first remember seeing a 3208 timer automatic in the school domestic science classroom, and because it had no conventional powder dispenser on the front I assumed that what we now know as pull out handles, that it was a pull out powder draw, however narrow it may have been...

Happy hunting,Mike

heres a pic of the matchbox series..

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Hi Mike
Yep I finally took the plunge and joined up.

Excellent picture above there - my parents machines were a smart looking pair.
The washer lasted from 1973 through to about 1990, with many repairs to keep it going, including a full overhaul when it was taken completely to bits and rebuilt from its constituent parts. It had to have a new backplate to the outer drum as the washing powder and water, over the years, had eaten away and the metal was only just water tight. Gave about four more years service - my parents replaced it in 1986 upon the installation of a new kitchen, but it saw the rest of its time out working for an aunt of mine who got two more years out of it and two years on top of that in her back yard. I'd love to know if any still survive - but I doubt it somehow.

The dryer was slightly different though in that it had a full length facia accross the top. The one above must be a very early version (or indeed a prototype?) or it could have been done to match the 3235, which also had a half length facia.

Have just spent a huge amount of money on 2 Hoover service manuals, allegedly showing all hoover products 'from 1965 through to about 1985' - fingers crossed that a)they do or else its money down the drain and b)my mystery machine is in there.

The hoover quest has expanded and have spent the last couple of days dealing with Hotpoints - the bulk purchase of Which magazines from 1976 through 1990 was highly useful.

Fingers crossed.
Great to hear from you
Cheers
paul

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Sounds like quite a task!

Will you be putting the results of your research online at any point?

I don't know much about the wide Hoover automatics, but I do know there was quite a price jump between the 3221H and the 3223H (£88 and £135 respectively), so a mid-price machine would make lots of sense.

Si
 
Love the 3223H. A neighbour of a mate of mine had that exact machine and it was still going in the early 1990s. I need to pluck up the courage to go and see him again. Can you imagine if it was still there!

Picture is all that I have of the half panel 3235 - the cold fill only machine below the 3236h.

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Hi Mike....bit of a question

Is the dryer attached the D6E16, modelled on the D6074 that you let me know about?

Hi Simon.....

Just to let you know that the spreadsheet is not all my own work by any means. I put it together, but without the knowledge and help of Kevin Cox, Mike King and Alistair Kerr it would have fallen flat on its face.

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Thanks Paul!

Most interesting! Nothing wrong with getting a little help information wise. Hope those sevice manuals shed a bit of light.

I'm sure you'll end up owning at least one of these machines sooner or later - being able to move around one's home without tripping over vintage appliances is rather overrated if you ask me...
 
MY PERSONAL HOOVER CHALLENGE

yo im alex tis is a hoover(HOLIDAY)MACHINE THERE SO RARE SOURCE HOOVER SEREVICE DATER HOOVER SERVICE CENTRES HAS THE INFO
 
EARS PRICKED UP ALEX!

Please tell more - this machine has been driving me insane.

You say the Hoover Service Data and Centre has the info - is that the official Hoover Service File issued to engineers?

I have just bought two complete (hopefully/allegedly) hoover service manuals covering from 1965 through to approx 1985 - is this your source? (see attached picture)

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Dryers

Hi Paul

Yes it is the Electra D6E16 dryer without creasgard, it matched the 800 & 1100 Electra models...Glad you won the Hoover manuals, They are THE source of Hoover Info, I`m sure you wont be too dissapointed if your machines isnt in, there is so much more to see...

Cheers, Mike

p.s. Who won the other two manuals from same seller??
 
MY PERSONAL HOOVER CHALLENGE

YES THATA THE MANUALS I WAS REFERING TO LIKE THE U4274 SENIOR THE INFOS THERE BUT NO PICTURE IT MIGHT BE UNDER BEFOR ELECTRONS AL
 
Hello New Members

Hi there Alex and Paul

I absolutely love Hoover machines. Welcome to the site, I'm sure your input will be invaluable.

Attached is one of my dream machines.

Rob

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I remeber those machines

My Gran had one of those machines that you so excelently drew with mircorsoft paint. It had an AB selector switch with one dial that you had to push in to get turn it. It had a red control fascia and no dispenser drawer. What a great machine tht was.
I sadly don't have any pictures left of it but will have a look to see if the manual still exists in my grans house.
 
Hi Darren and everybody who has posted since last night. Great to hear from people who remember the machines of my childhood.

It's uncanny isn't it how I start the thread and then someone decided to sell a matchbox dryer. My understanding is that this is version 2 of the 3022 - the initial version was the machine for which i posted a copy of the instruction manual cover (the slate grey facia with red detailing - this was the machine I grew up with).
I was also very familiar with the later version, a silver and orange pair of machines being owned by my best mates parents. Indeed, when their washing machine was pensioned off it was stored in the garage and became a play thing for us kids. Ironically the washer was replaced by an older 3224 keymatic, which lasted until about 1983 when the drum dropped - being left behind in the cellar when they moved house. Indeed, if you went back in time to 1983 or so and visited the house you would have found a silver and orange 3236h, 3022 and 3224 Keymatic, all of which were left behind and replaced by the 'new generation' Hotpoints of the time (the washer was 95450). All the hoover's probably still exist, unfortunately at the bottom of a landfill. It kills me to think of it!

Another relative had an A3110 and I loved to hear it spin - superb machine, later replaced by a Zanussi FL series.

A number of brochures were on ebay recently - unfortunately I was outbid, but the attached shows the complete A3108 through A3114 series. Before this I had never seen the keymatic or selectamatic ever before.
Does anyone have any full images of the Keymatic and/or selectamatic? Did these two machines have full chrome door, like the previous prestige models before them?

Enjoy!

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Hi Paul, sounds a bit of a challenge you have on your hands there !!...I have a bit of an apology to make, Kevin sent me your spreedsheet quite sometime ago, but i have been sooooo busy with work, and i am in the middle of moving house didnt really get time to look at it....i am going to see a mate in London this week, so i will print off a copy and get him to scan over it to see if he can fill in any of the holes..I did have a glance at it the other week, but to be honest, Hoover automatics were never my strong point..

I see that you maybe be venturing onto Hotpoint's later on maybe you could do Servis as well...their production of washers were relativily easy compared to Hoover's...if you need any help on compiling that list i would be more than happy to help, and have a large selection of information available.

Cheers..& good luck !!
Keith
 
I remember those machines

Hi Cbosch - my confusion grows deeper. I was sure that my machine had a powder drawer - the machine always grabbed my attention whenever I saw it as it was VERY (not shouting - just emphasising) similar to my parents 3236h - just a bit fatter!

The attached picture is of the 3221H from the November 1969 Which magazine and was kindly sent to me by Kevin Cox.
Could this be the machine you remember, although it doesn't appear to have an A/B button?

If you were to graft the styling of the red version 3236h matchbox onto this machine (but not replace the programmer knob - as the 3221h's is the right style - i.e not as deep as on the matchboxes), then you would have the machine from my memories.

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Hi there Keith - the quest has developed and the weekend just gone saw me go Hotpoint crazy - I will send you an updated and expanded copy for you to peruse (will send to your advertised e-mail address).
Cheers
paul
 
Nearly

This machine does ersemble what I remeber but my grnas definitley had a AB selector switch. So many models out there with so many differences I think the model I am thinking about would have been bought 1979/198?. It was a great machine with a wonderful distribute before spin with all the water in the drum . If I remeber it had 7 programmes
B1 Whites, B2 Fast coloureds A3 white synthetics A4 minimum iron B5 non fast coloureds A6 delicates B7 wool. I recall that the A switch simply stopped the machine spinning and it simply did a distribute for the entire spin programme.
The machine ran until 1999 beautiful machine and I miss it.
 
Hi Cbosch

Thinking of my options here.

Bought 1978/8 (was it purchased new)?
Was it a 'widebody' machine like the 3221H is OR a 'narrowbody' machine like the 3236H is (see the second post in this thread for the 3236H image).

The wider machines were replaced by the matchbox/narrow series in the early 70's and the matchbox series replaced in the mid 70's.
However some matchbox models continued to be sold through to the late 70's, through dealership exclusive models.
One of these was the A2018 Automatic E (bronze facia, no powder drawer/with an orange logo and ring round the programmer - obviously not the one you remember). This model was based upon the A2020 Automatic though.

I don't know for certain what one of these looked like, but there is an image of a machine in an old copy of Which magazine (november 1982 - oh to have a scanner)which is a matchbox (narrow machine) with slate grey facia, what is probably a red logo (which would equal red ring round the programmer) and no powder drawer - all matchboxes had A/B buttons and your programme description matches the Cold Fill machines (scroll up and have a gander at the 3235 facia panel image which I posted and you will see it tallies perfectly). Without a clearer image I can't confirm what it is, but I think it could be an A2020.

Basically scroll upto the image of the 3022 dryer instruction manual and cut a hole in the door and you would have the machine that I am talking about. Could this be your machine?

If Yes brill!
If not then, and this depresses me a bit, there could be yet another model out there!!!!!!

Sorry for the essay - just trying to get a clearer picture.
 
I think you may be right

"One of these was the A2018 Automatic E (bronze facia, no powder drawer/with an orange logo and ring round the programmer - obviously not the one you remember). This model was based upon the A2020 Automatic though. "

You may have been right this oculd be the machine. Although if you cut a hole in the door from that fryer picture you would get what the machine looked like aswell. I can't remeber the colour exactly. but definitley had an orange ring round the programme dial.

Sorry I can't be of more help but would love for oyu to tell me exactly what it was.
 
The A2018 in all its glory...

....I have been drawing again!

This was a machine owned by an aunt and uncle of mine - the A2018 Automatic E (sold through the Electricity Board Shops). Their's was written off by a 50 pence piece!

Anything like your grans machine Cbosch?

Replace the bronze facia with all over slate grey and the orange detailing with red and, I think!, you may have the A2020.

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Hi Darren - no doubt about the look of the A2018. The machine lived through to about 1990 and I saw it regularly due to the Aunt and uncle being very close family memebers whom we visited regulary. The A2018 was as per the drawing (or at least the one in my family was).

The Autralian models definately are of matchbox contruction - just facia differences and lacking a door slide. I occasionally pop over to the Australian ebay site, to have a gander at theses machines.

Cheers
paul
 
Thanks

The machine in your latest drawing was exactly the machine beautiful machine it was loved the door slide and the the orange dial!

Many thanks
Match box
 
no problem

glad we got your mystery sorted out cbosch.

also brought back memories for me and am glad that i drew it as it reminded me what a smart machine the A2018 was (haven't seen its image for nearly 20 years myself).

Also pleased as it means that there isn't another 'mystery machine' out there to worry about (yet!) - it's bad enough trying to identify my own.

Cheers
paul
 
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