Need advice with Kenmore 70 series

[stan]

A friend of mine has an older Kenmore, and it's been leaking a little water. From what I can see it's been leaking from a fairly new pump, and the tub seal. Since I have the tub seal, and the spanner wrench, thought I'd start there. Removed the cabinet etc. Removed tub nut..But can't seem to budge the inner tub loose!
I sprayed WD 40.. Filled with hot water and let set 15 min.. But still no luck.
Decided to spray with more WD-40 and wait further advice from here. I've fine this before on my Kenmore? I'm i doing something wrong, or is it rusted on?

 

[stan]

I tried

Standing in it a rocking back and forth.. Buy maybe not enough... I don't weigh very much? LOL

 

[stan]

The pump

Was leaking from here? I see no cracks on it anywhere.

 

[volvoguy87]

WP DD Pump.

One thing to watch out for on Whirlpool Direct Drive pumps is the installation. If the old pump had been leaking for some time, the shaft may have started to rust. When the shaft rusts, it can seem to swell. This is especially common if the old pump really fought you when you tried to take it off. If you don't file the shaft back into profile, it will be difficult to reinstall the pump. If you have to force or pound the pump on, the seal in it will fail and it will leak.

I see no obvious sign of failure in your picture (but I could be wrong). I'd say to put it back on the washer and fill it up without the cabinet installed. See where the leak is coming form. Other options may be a worn hose, a faulty water valve, or a bad tub seal.

Good luck,
Dave

 

[DADoES]

 
Not unusual the basket is stuck to the drive block ... have to get aggressive to break it loose (or patient for chemicals to work) but careful of chipping the porcelain.

 

[stan]

Old pump

(That's less than a year old)
Came off very easy. But leaks right where the Screwdriver is pointing in the pic.
So I've ordered a new one ?
I may try standing in it again now that it's soaked a while with the WD-40.
Next idea is use a 2+4 and a car jack to see if I can get some kind of leverage.

 

[mrb627]

Wash Basket

The wash basket is probably the heaviest part of this machine. Standing in it was the first thought i had. How much do you weigh? Shouldn't take a 200lb person to break it free? My second choice would be to continue with the chemical attack.

Malcolm

 

[yogitunes]

I just replaced one of those pumps that was leaking from that area as well....as noted, couldn't find it until the cabinet was off, yet looked clean.....

and oddly enough with the new one, it squealed while agitating, so had to take it off and put a few drops of oil in that slot to quiet it down.....

sometimes you almost have to jump side to side to get that fitting to break loose, but it will let loose eventually.....

keep us posted of your progress.....

 

[stan]

Thanks

Malcolm and Martin.
I'll keep trying
I might get my friends fat husband out there, and get him to stand in it! LOL

 

[volvoguy87]

FSP Warranty.

Whirlpool's parts division is called FSP. Their parts have a 1 year warranty. To make a warranty claim, you'll need a receipt, the model number of the washer, and the serial number too.

Sounds like it's a defective pump.
Dave

 

[stan]

Thanks Dave

Should have ordered from them ! The last one came from eBay

 

[stan]

Success

I wasn't heavy enough to break it loose, so I got her husband to do the Temtation walk in it and it finally let go!
Drive block came out with it.
Now to clean it up, replace the seal (that from I can seal looks O.K?) replace the leaking pump. Hopefully everything goes back together with any more difficulties

 

[mrb627]

Cool

Good that it was able to be broken free.
I have had a run a crap parts from eBay purchases. Namely, whirlpool dryer heating elements. Supposedly an fsp part. Went through two of them that failed in under a year. Shameful.

Malcolm

 

[stan]

This new pump

Came today, another eBay seller..$9.00 so can't complain if it goes out! And this one..like the last, has no marking on it. No part number, no indication of where it's made. I notice that the part that slides over the drive shaft is a plastic/nylon material, instead of metal?
We'l see.
If this one goes out I'll check with FSP.
The old tub seal looks O.K and can't see how water got past it, but there is no other place it could be coming from, so tomorrow everything goes back together with a new seal.
Watch the SOB will still leak! LOL
Here's the new pump

 

[mrb627]

Neutral Drain?

Wonder if the machine is failing the neutral drain, causing water to ride against the seal around the splash guard and leak down to the base. The other issue I have run into is un level floor causin tub to lean forward. Fill water collecting or splashing over the splash guard.

Hope it is a simple issue...

Malcolm

 

[delaneymeegan]

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing the pics.  I hope all works out.

 

[dartman]

Had a similar machine for many years. The pump was bad when we got it after supposedly being rebuilt and we kept a drip pan and a sponge under it as I didn't want to tear it out of the tiny bathroom/laundry room it was in. Finally got motivated and pulled it out and removed the case. The pump was 20 bucks at a close local used appliance shop and the slightly improved version. It was actually easy to do, pump wasn't stuck on and it didn't leak and was quiet. 5 years later pump failed again the day we were getting ready to move to this house I bought so waited till move was done and went back to the same shop and bought another pump, now for 30 bucks. Guy said the pumps can last 30 years if your clothes aren't full of grit and sand but if you do a lot of sandy dirty loads they last about 5 years. My clothes are always full of sand and crap so 5 years.
This pump also went in fine from underneath and didn't leak and I even marked the date it was replaced on the housing.
BUT I replaced it a year later and sold it to a local rebuilds guy still working for 30 bucks just to get rid of it and hope it got redone again and sold cheap to a needy family. It was a good washer and easy to fix but very noisy and used a ton of water, which is a problem with the overpriced sewer/water bill we get now. It was 306 bucks for the first full bill. With the new Kenmore 28102 bill dropped 50 bucks every 3 months and it's quiet and bigger.

 

[stan]

Hi guys

Had partial success..
Since the tub block came off with the tub, I think thats the new problem.
I cleaned and replaced the tubs seal on the outer tub.. (Fairly easy)
Used a rag and a screwdriver, the garden hose ect to clean the center portion of the inner tub. (Where the floating tub block was) There was no way the block was going to come out.. So I positioned it, (upside down) use a screwdriver and a hammer to drive the block back up into position while still in the tub, or at least I tried to.
At that point I already had the outer tub in, pump hooked up, water level tube in, ect.
Dropped the inner tub in, and pushed down. It seemed like it went in correctly. Tub nut went on without a problem. Finished reassembly.
The good news is that nothing leaks! But when the machine finishes spinning..it makes a load wobbling sound.
The only thing I can think of is that I don't have the tub in right? Thought I'd try taking it apart again.. Maybe get the husband to stand in it to make sure it seated good, and try again.
Any thoughts?

 

[stan]

Malcolm

The Neutral drain works, but only with a full heavy load (neutral drain pack Im sure is worn)
But the leak must have come from the old tub seal.