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Well after replacing the 5th oven igniter in my Bosch gas range the control board is now acting up...so I am looking for a decent gas range. I have been looking at a GE Profile single oven one, I wouldn't mind the double ovens but getting down on all 4s to take out what's in the lower oven isn't appealing. I am also looking at the Frigidaire Professional gas range and it has had good reviews and then I was looking at the Kenmore Elites. My gawd they are nice but I can't see paying over 2 grand for a Kenmore. The Maytags and KitchenAids are nice as well as the LGs. So my question is which one should I get? I am all over the place!
 
I've had the Frigidaire gas range with convection (single oven plus storage drawer) since 2001 and no problems. It's in white with gray grates, four burners. Their current convection model has grates that go all the way across the cooktop and five burners. I believe they also offer a black and black/steel finish version.

 

The convection cooks evenly and shaves maybe 5-8 minutes per hour off cooking time (plus you can reduce temp by 25 F). Baking four pies at once is an easy matter. My grates are porcelain on cast iron and are dishwasher safe. That is a major plus: when I have less than a full DW load, I pull the grates off and throw them in the dishwasher (maybe once every two months), which keeps them nice and clean looking.

 

[Note: Frigidaire has offered two versions of convection: Speed Bake, which is a simple fan and no third heating element; and True Convection which has a third heating element around the fan plus conversion of cooking times/temps. I have Speed Bake and it works fine. When I look at their current product offering on line, I no longer see the Speed Bake feature, so it may have been discontinued. Typicall the True Convection model sold for about $50-100 more than the Speed Bake version.]

 

It's never required a service call. Earlier this year the oven thermometer was reading 20 degrees higher than set temperature. I verified that the oven was 20 F degrees higher than the control panel setting by purchasing two other inexpensive oven thermometers and all three had the same reading. I calibrated the oven with the directions in the user guide and now it cooks spot on. That's the only adjustment it's needed in ten years. I wish it had the fifth burner and grates that go all the way across, but otherwise it's been an excellent value.

 

Frigidaire does now make a two oven model with the small oven above and the big oven below. I'd never get a model with the auxiliary oven below, but the small/upper, big/below arrangement might work for those who live singly or as an empty nest couple, since most meals for two could be cooked in the small/upper oven. Bear in mind that at this price point, the auxiliary oven often lacks self-cleaning and/or convection.

 

Evidently Frigidaire still offers the oven in Speed Bake version, with all-across grates and five burners:

 

http://www.frigidaire.com/products/kitchen/gas-electric-ranges/fggf3032kw

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I've been

VERY, very happy with my Whirlpool WFG361, and Whirlpool has a good repair record, according to the reader-reported, Consumer Reports survey. However, the WFG361 is fairly basic, and has a storage drawer instead of a warmer drawer or second oven.

I don't entertain a lot, so a warmer or second oven would be of only limited interest/use to me.

Frigidaire does not have a particularly good repair record for their gas ranges. Of course, there are some individual samples of every make which are really good, and some which are really awful. However......

GE and Hotpoint have very good gas range repair records, and I would look at them, too.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
General Electric

Is what I sell the most of at THD.  LG's gas ranges are made by General Electric, so keep that in mind.  Profile has a model that has the smaller oven on the bottom, it runs on 120V even though the large oven is gas.  The cast-iron slide-across grates are attractive, but they will wear-away the enamel on the top after awhile.  If you consider Maytag, take a good look at the oven window before you buy.  It's a ghastly green, even more noticeable if you have a light-colored floor.  My sister has the Whirlpool with the Accu-Bake feature, she's very happy with it.
 
My Whirlpool 361

has the Accu-bake control, and I love it. Best oven thermostat I have ever used. Cookies that say "bake 9-11 minutes" come out perfectly at 9 minutes. (I bake a lot of cookies, usually, but not always, for church and community events.) Other bakings come out well, too, like breads and casseroles.

The only time I have been less than successful was a time when I put a casserole in, and fell asleep!

L/Mb[this post was last edited: 12/1/2011-19:06]
 
I just got the Frigidaire w/convection this past summer.....greatest thing on earth......I love the grates all across the top....and the center/5th burner is really nice, although the griddle is not the biggest, simple clear operating controls.....the full stainless is a breeze to keep clean....

keep in mind....broiling pans are optional....at an extra cost......about 50.00........you would have thought for 1400.00 it would have been included, thats my down fall to this stove....

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Mike

Whirlpool freestanding gas ranges use a direct spark ignition system for the bake & broil burners. You hear a click & the burner ignites. Works quite nicely & reliably.
 
I do like the W/P, Maytags because they have Direct Spark Ignition....no glo-type ignitors to get weak over time. You hit bake, hear 2 clicks and the burner is on and heating. Very responsive system. Not sure how dependable, but this spark system is unique to W/P.

While I'm not a big Frigidaire fan...their gas and electric ranges seems to be decent for the $$$$>
 
We have a Maytag freestanding range with double ovens and have been extremely happy with it. The stove top has five burners and the lower over has convection in addition to the traditional bottom burner. Top oven has broil and bottom burner elements.
 
NEW GAS RANGES

Only WP built Self-cleaning gas ranges use the direct spark ignition system for the oven & broiler burners. This eliminates the costly ignitor replacements and saves an average of over two hundred watts of power draw the whole time the oven is in use. This is the only gas oven design I would even consider IF I HAD to have a gas range and is the only one we recommend to our thousands of customers.

 

I am disappointed that CRs never mentions this power saving advantage in thier reports, as this feature could save many users a couple hundred dollars over the expected 15 year life of the range. And yet they go to great lengths to recommend a refrigerator that saves $70 over its 15 year life.

 

 Also these WP gas ranges are made in Oklahoma where as all the GE gas ranges are made in Mexico.
 
Go with the best range ever made:

Vintage Chambers. We have 3 Chambers, and nothing new made today can do this: "Cooks With The Gas Turned OFF". And nothing made now can touch Chambers quality. Having restored them, one is mightily impressed with their construction. For example the door has no gaskets, instead, a ground cast iron seal so precise no gasket is needed, a cast iron oven plate that acts as a heat sink, and over 30 lbs of insulation! Then there is the built in In-A-Top-Griddle, the super-insulated Thermo-Well that acts as a slow cooker and also cooks with the gas turned off, gas burner valves of far better than those in a new Wolf,Viking, all cast iron Daisy Burners, chrome plated cooktop, one can go on and on, but suffice it to say no new range has any of these these features... and why a fairly small 37" Model 90-C weighs 500 Lbs! Parts are available when needed, and a Chambers is a true joy to cook on. We all appreciate the quality that was present in our vintage laundry machines, why should a range be different?
 
Martin I have been looking that same model Frigidaire and it is very nice. I had no idea that Whirlpool built ranges used the spark ignition. To me that makes more sense instead of the glow bar ignition that I keep replacing in my Bosch. I did find a KitchenAid gas range with the cobalt blue oven and 5 burners for about $1049. The Frigidaire I found at Lowes for about $1300. I am thinking of the Whirlpool built ranges but the reviews for the Frigidaire are outstanding. Thanks everyone for your input!
 
If I'm not mistaken, Kitchenaid gas ranges have been very troubleprone. I beleive thay are now sourced from Frigidaire. If that's the case, I would go with Frigidaire. My 1st choice would be W/P . The Maytag gas ranges are W/P clones and also have the spark ignition.
 
If you want something you can use during a power failure..

What about a Brown?

I have NO experience with them, as I have an electric stove, but their web link is attached. A bunch of them have pilot lights rather than electronic ignition in the oven. They also have pilots for the upper burners.

http://www.brownstoveworksinc.com/30in.html
 
You know I saw that KitchenAid gas ranges were trouble prone in Consumer Reports. But methinks that they were made in Canada and not here in the US. Never heard of Brown and I don't think I would want pilot lights to deal with not to mention the constant heating of the cooktop. The Whirlpool built ones intrigue moi. I posed a question to Whirlpool on Facebook about the direct spark ignition so we will see if they answer my question.
 
WP BUILT GAS RANGES

KA gas ranges are not sorced from Frigidare. Yes the Canadian built KA and a few WP models were troblesome but these are now gone.

 

Jamie while you are correct that the heat of the ignitor is not entirely wasted you have to take into account that there is a large vent on gas ovens that lets the heat flow out constantly. Gas ovens already consume more than twice the BTUs per hour of operation than electric ovens do, so the last thing you want to do to maintain the heat in a poorly insulated oven is to use resistance electric heat as the heat source. 
 
Dual fuel is what we've had since 1990.  First a Jenn-Air (not recommended) and now an Electrolux Icon (a big improvement over the Jenn-Air). 

 

If you don't have 220 service behind the stove, then dual fuel isn't an option.  We liked the commercial look of the Icon along with the oven's cobalt blue interior that's lit from both sides instead of from behind, and its kick-ass 16K BTU front burners, but the thing that really sold us (besides the price) was the racks that glide easily on ball bearings.  If you can find that on a stove in your price range, it's a nice feature. 

 

We got our Icon for half price in a clearance area at a large major appliance dealer locally.  If  you have such a place within reasonable distance, you could possibly find a higher end stove than you're currently considering and still stay within your budget. 

 

Re: Accu-Bake, I was at my cousin's for Thanksgiving and he had the turkey (albeit a small one) and three other dishes going in his WP Accu-Bake and it all cooked perfectly.

 
 
I won't dispute that glow-type ignitors cost too much to buy/replace and also to run. Those all pretty much seem like a given to me.

But I *am* curious what caused the changed *to* glow ignitors in the first place and what has been done to make the spark ignitors safe(r) again, because unless I'm really mistaken, gas appliances used to have spark-type ignitors 70-80-ish years ago, it seems to me that plenty of appliances in the 40's or so had those (the ones that didn't have a standing pilot, that is). It's not just ovens, gas dryers and gas furnaces too. The only appliances that kept the spark-type ignitors all along were oil furnaces, not that I think glow-type ignitors would even work well on those.

So, what's the scoop?
 
If you could get...

One with pilots, and center simmer burners!! Go vintage, and yes Chambers, I have a OKeefe and Merritt Hi Vue, and while beautiful, and while it cooks and bakes great, it puts more heat off from the outside surfaces than any range ive ever seen, a Chambers does not do this!
 
Many professional bakers agree::

that electric is best in the oven, due to it's precise temperature control, hence dual fuel is a good way to go... we did this by using a 1956 Chambers In-A-Wall Electric ("Cooks With the ELECTRICITY Turned off") oven, and a 1958 Chambers 42" Cooktop with Griddle. With the latter, one doesn't get the handy Thermo-Well but 4 burners instead. We find the pilot gives off so little heat it's not noticeable, but chose to mount a turn off valve in the cabinet below to turn it off when we so desire. Spark ignition is BY FAR the most troublesome service issue with any gas cooktop, and numerous Wolf and Viking owners, and other brands, report frequent downtime as a result. We're perfectly happy to do without that "feature".
 
I have been looking at the parts schematics for different gas ranges and both Maytag and Whirlpool use the spark igniter. The KitchenAid uses the glowbar and so does Frigidaire. I have not looked into the GE models yet as far as the parts listing. The KitchenAid parts look awfully like the Frigidaire and how they are built.
 
Gas Oven!

I can never understand why people dont like a gas oven, the temperature is much more even than electric, especially in the older ones with a modulating thermostat.
 
As a gas oven/range owner, I've never had any issues with uneven temperature or baking problems, and I bake a lot of bread. If anything, the oven excels at even, multi-rack baking/cooking, but that is due to the presence of convection, not a result of gas vs. electric.

After ten years of ownership, the only repair or adjustment it's ever needed was a recalibration of the temperature (when set to 350 F, the temp was 375F, so I recalibrated the control panel using directions in the user manual). Now, when the oven is set for 350F, it IS 350F. When convection is switched on, the temp rises to 370 F, so I know to subtract 20 F from the normal cooking temperature when convection is on (normally I use convection for everything except yeast breads)....though I was subtracting 20 F even before the recalibration.

The "down" side of gas is that it lacks the energy efficiency edge of say a gas water heater or dryer, because gas ovens must be vented to bring in a continuous supply of oxygen to feed the flames. The continuous release of heat into the kitchen can be a negative if you have no A/C (I don't, living in a cool, coastal area) and need to use the oven all day. Of course, heat from an electric eventually seeps into your kitchen, but it doesn't leak heat continuously at the rate of a gas oven.

[my range has "Speed Bake", which is a convection fan without an auxiliary heating unit, yet the range bakes 20F hotter with the fan switched on. I honestly don't know why that occurs. Activating the fan switch does not change the set temperature on the control panel, and I don't see how swirling the air in currents raises the temp 20F, but it does.]

Another area where perhaps gas ovens got a bad rap is that convection was offered on electric models (wall and range models) long before gas models. My home was built 1988 and the GE gas range that came with the house was a POS. However, I have only 110V service and a gas line behind the range. Whoever designed the utilities layout assumed I guess that anyone who upgraded their range would simply choose a fancier gas range and would never switch to electric. Dual fuel ranges were in their infancy in 1988 as well. So for me to upgrade to electric convection or dual fuel, I'd have to rip out a wall to install 220V service. That might be ok in a total kitchen remodel, but my cabinets were fine and when I grew sick and tired of the original range, the kitchen was only 13 years old.

I knew I really wanted a convection oven, but initially all of the ranges with convection were electric. In 2001, when I went shopping, gas convection models were finally beginning to appear, but manufacturers (excluding commercial models and Dacor, which were out of my price range) were limited: I could chose between KA, Jennair, GE, and Frigidaire. The first three were priced $1300-1600, and the Frigidaire was $800 (MRSP---my appliance dealer sold it to me for $700 as part of a bundle). Given that the latter met my needs, plus my instinct that it would be best to make one's first foray into convection with a basic model, led me to choose the Frigidaire, and the savings paid for the new Bosch dishwasher. :)

Eventually, manufacturers woke up to the fact that there were millions of consumers in relatively new homes who wished to upgrade without tearing out their kitchen, and that some of these homes lacked 220V service behind the range, so gradually more and more companies began to sell gas convection ranges. However, these didn't appear until c.2000, and before that, convection was pretty much limited to those who chose electric. So in a sense, buying a gas model meant you were buying second tier, without the latest features.

Last year, I bought a Breville Smart Oven for small baking and cooking jobs. It's doesn't make sense to heat up the big range oven to make chicken for two, for example. The Breville is electric convection and it pre-heats more rapidly (duh, it's smaller...), so I only use the range oven for big jobs (like two large baguette loaves of French bread, etc.). Baking in the Breville comes out great, and convection insures even heat throughout the relatively small space (the space is 13.5" deep, so one can bake a pie or use a 13 x 9 pan).
 
KA GAS OVENS

Hi Mike could you get me a model # for a KA gas range that you believe to be built by Frigidare, as I have yet to se one. On thursday I installed a new KA gas range that had WPs direct ignition and was made in WPs Tulsa Oklahoma plant, but they may be getting some of thier ranges from Frigidare.
 
Ok here is the model KitchenAid I looked at on Sears Parts Direct site...KGRS206XSS The Maytag MGR7775WS, Whirlpool GFG461LVS, WFG381LVS, Frigidaire FPGF3081KF, FGGF3054MF. The Maytag and Whirlpool are identical to each other. The Frigidaire and KitchenAid look alike as well.
 
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