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tgodel

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Although I can't take credit for discovering them, I do think we need a thread dedicated to discussing the new Frigidaire Affinity models.
Compared to the He2 pair, for example, Affinity offers notable differences, like:

- a digital countdown timer on both washer and dryer
- a fully round dryer door (very useful when stacked!)
- a porcelain dryer drum that is smaller than the He2

I'm sure we will discover many pros and cons to this new offering, but I wanted to open the door to discussion.

--Trip

Best Buy's Affinity listing:




http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...00050010&type=product&cmp=++&id=1130984025449
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This looks like a warmed over version of the existing Frigidaire front loader, with a circular instead of a square front door. The capacity is identical, and the lack of an internal water heater is also notable.

For the price, I'd go first for the GE FL, which leaves both Whirlpool and Frigidaire in the dust, with its internal water heater and larger capacity.
 
I like the Frigidare FL's but...

I was in Lowes today looking at them and while the machines seem to look really nice, the construction of the smaller ones seem pretty light weight. I noticed on the smallest FL by Frigidare, the door was already off it's hinges, just one hinge in the middle and it was already bent.
The large Frigidare machines were built a lot more sturdier, but the switches on the machines seemed really light weight. When I turn a knob or flick a switch, I like "positive action", but on these machines the switch position was rather vague as to where the switch was actually positioned. The pointers sometimes looked like they were "between" positioned when they were actually "clicked in". And there was virtually no tactile response when moving from one position to another.
 
I'm curious to see how well the GE versions last. The Fridigaire FL's have proven themselves to be quite reliable and tough machines. GE's latest TL's have a bad reputation of being built with inferior materials and engineering...I wonder if that translates into their FL line. I do like the fact that they have an internal heater though, that's what sold me on the Danby!
 
Thanks for the great update guys!

I trust Frigidaire (Electrolux, Sweden) to make a front-loader more-so than American companies. But somehow I see them as a local company, despite the "evidence"
 
My local Lowe's says they will have the Affinitys in-stock by the end of the month, but they could not specify whether this was the 6000 or the 7000.

The 7000 has disappeared from Frigidaire's web site, as noted elsewhere. At least by this morning, the 6000 remains all that was visible on there... not that I expected change over the weekend, but Frigidaire's doc site has done it before...

--T
 
Pricing!

According to the MSRP of the 6000 and 7000 washers, you can get a water heater and metal-style trim for only an extra *$20*!

6000 - $879
7000 - $899

I'm sure it makes the point that perhaps the 6000 starts too high (let's just call it the GE effect).

But I'm happy about one thing: Finally, someone has put a realistic incremental value on an onboard water heater. It's just a heating element and a thermostat, people!

:-)

--Trip

http://www.frigidaire.com/products/laundry/washers/front_load/productlist.asp
 
Advanced Rinse Technology

Frigilux:
I'm glad you mentioned this...because I have tried and tried to figure out what on earth Frigidaire means by this. It seems insane the way they describe it. They introduced the terminology on their previous square door model...and even after asking them about it, I am still completely in the dark about what they mean. It must be pure marketing crap because even they don't really have a clue what they mean (at least in their response to me). Any ideas anyone?
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Frigidaire appliances; but you definitely nailed it on the head with your 'pure marketing crap' comment. It rinses just like any other FL'er does, with changes of fresh water.

OR....perhaps Frigidaire has come up with a way to extract all the detergent and other chemicals from the wash water and reuse it for the rinses, LOL!
 
The new 3.5 Frigidaires dont always fill the tub from a waterfall flume like the smaller ones do. Water enters between the inner and outer tubs - this is where the detergent bleach and softener are dispensed, which I really like. On most rinses, depending on cycle, water also enters the tub from a 12 o'clock position, showering the clothes. That is what ART is. It is a very good fill system I think, but some marketing geek went bananas in calling it that and then not explaining it well. I just got the square door model and am pissed that a Frigidaire with a heater is released one month later. Darn!
 
First Touch - Affinity 6000 - Very Positive!

I had the pleasure of handling the Affinity 6000 at my local Best Buy tonight, and I must confess that I was VERY impressed.

This is clearly a redress of the previous TOL Frigidaire "Square Door" 2940. But that's not a bad thing, because this is a time-tested design. Both the GE and He2t/Duet Sport machines are relatively unproven. Although the Affinitys still lack the bulk of an He4t/Duet, nearly all of my fit-and-finish issues with the 2940 have been resolved. Through a side-by-side comparision (literally!) I noted the following improvements:

- beefier round doors with a nearly round dryer opening
- more substantial rotary dials, plus chunkier, better arranged modifier buttons
- more sound insulation
- removal of many almost-redundant cycle variants on the control dials
- removal of the annoying slide interlock on the detergent drawer (washer only)


The overall impression is clean and tidy. The larger buttons still feel like Chiclets, but no longer held in place by ballpoint pen springs. The rarely used Option Select and Pause buttons are now relatively smaller. Minor cycle variations such as the 2940 washer's redundant "inner ring" cycles are pleasantly absent. Unlike the He2, the 2940 helpfully retains cycle modifiers after Power Off and I'll bet the Affinity does too. A few modifiers and labels have been changed. LED countdown timers are on both machines, and Frigidaire claims evenly matched wash and dry times.

My washer disappointment was the loss of a non-ATC Hot wash. ATC Hot--which IS included--may mix cold water into a hot fill to achieve a "desired" target temperature LOWER than pure hot. Kenmore got stuck with ATC Hot on its verion of the 2940, and this time Frigidaire gave it to itself. My dryer disappointment was a flimsy lint screen, although a drying rack is included.

Even with all this freshening, the Affinitys are utterly trumped by the polished presentation of the GE front-loaders. However, the pair was selling for $250 less, which makes the duo pretty attractive, especially if:

- you need a machine slightly smaller than the GEs
- you need shorter wash times than the GEs typically offer
- you prefer a rounder dryer door opening than the He2
- you want a machine based upon a highly proven design
- you have a problem with GE's Little Swan Chinese labor


March will bring the Affinity 7000, which adds an onboard heater and metallic trim for only $20 more MSRP (an obvious choice that highlights a puffed-up price for the 6000). It is not yet known how hot the 7000 heater will get, but it better be 140 degrees or higher, or I will be disappointed. You can also get fancy metallic paint for an extra $100 MSRP (pricey paint: Glacier Blue or Platinum Ice).

After more than a year of diligent research, I may finally buy my first FLs with this pair! The GEs won't fit in my space, and the He2 dryer opening bugs me when stacked. I'm obviously impressed with the Affinitys, but what do you think?

--T

http://www.frigidaire.com/products/laundry/washers/front_load/prod_ATF6000ES.asp
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ART and Frigidaire

I agree Frigilux. I am also a big fan of their appliances...in fact, every appliance in my house is Frigidaire (except my diswasher...because I wanted the stainless front without visible controls) and I've never had a single problem with any of them. I've got their original Gallery series washer and dryer which I bought in '96/'97 and both are still going strong without a single repair on 8 loads a week. The only reason I am going to replace them is because I want a heater...and the new Affinity set is going to be sitting in my laundry room as soon as the 7000 comes out! :-)

Thanks Golittlesport for your clarification of ART. The concept makes sense the way you describe it, but the way it is marketed is just plain dumb.

Thanks Tgodel for your preliminary review! I can't wait to find out what temp the heater version will heat to. I, like you, hope to NOT be disappointed with the temp because I really want these in my laundry room. I'm also glad they decided to jump on the bandwagon with the stainless dryer drum on the 7000 dryer. It adds to the visual interest since the dryer door is a full round.

Oooooh...I'm like a kid in a candy store with these new Frigidaires! :-)
 
Tilted drums or true H-axis drums?

Do they have tilted drums or true H-axis drums?

If tilted, what is the tilted angle?
 
Frigidaire FL'ers have never had an angled drum. I'm willing to bet the farm the Affinity doesn't, either.

golittlesport-- I feel your pain; I bought the new-issue iMac in November and a few weeks ago they released a newer model using Intel chips. I also bought an iPod about 2 months before the video iPod came on the market. Bad timing!

Fortunately, even though I've had 'new washer fever' for a few months, I held off. Now I can pick up an Affinity.
 
Rich, I"m glad you clarrified ART. If you hadn't posted, I was gonna ask JetCone to explain it, that really interested him when the 3.5 cu. ft. models came out early last year and knowing Jon, he would have gotten to the bottom of the marketing crap poste haste.

Rich, can ya return them and get the 7000?
 
I'm really impressed, but they still haven't increased the size of the dryer drum--5.8 cu. ft. The washer holds as mu8ch if not more than my DD LK. And in that light, my 6.0 or 6.2 cu. ft. Maytag Dependable Care can get too small at times. Good Grief!! Get with the program Lux!!
 
This is my BIGGEST frustration with FrigiLux laundry equipment. THE DRYER DRUM IS TOO DAMN SMALL! Almost every other manufacturer has a drum close to or at 7.0 cubic ft.

My 3.1 washer drum's largest loads max out my 5.7 cu. ft. dryer drum. I always split my dark colors load (which is about all I wear) into shirts, then pants. If I threw the whole load in at once, it would come out needing ironing in a major way.

Everytime I think I'm going to break down and get a TOL Duet pair, I hear about it taking 15 minutes to go into a spin, etc. and I revert back to getting another Frigidaire pair. I know they're passe, but I still like the flexibility of having a mechanical timer, too. That's another thing I'd be giving up by replacing my current set.

Even though it's not something I do often, I'd rather have the option of adding wash time or jumping ahead in a cycle. This, of course, can't be done with an electronically controlled machine. Don't you have to cancel a cycle, then start over again with a different cycle? Or am I wrong (god knows it wouldn't be the first time...)?
 
I Agree With tgodel!

Went to Best Buy right from work today. I have to agree wholeheartedly with tgodel!! Much more impressive overall design than their square door. More solid controls...especially the cycle selector knob. You can really feel the clicks. Also...i reached in and spun the drum by hand as fast as I could to see if I could hear the bearings at all (which you can always hear in most FLs). Amazingly the rotation is completely silent!! This is definitely my machine!! Can't wait till the heated version comes out!

I understand everyone's complaint about the small dryer drum...but I've never had wrinkling or drying issues even with large loads in my 5.7 cf original Gallery series model. Everything always comes out just as nice as in larger dryers I've used in the past. In addition, I'm not sure you could increase the drum size significantly in the same footprint. All the gigantic dryers I've seen have a larger footprint. They'd stick out in my space. These new Frigidaires will fit perfectly in my existing space and look very nice.

One thing that is deceptive is the dryer door. If you look carefully at all the larger pictures of the dryer on their website, it is shown with a completely round and FULLY viewable door. But this is not the case. The lower portion is actually blacked out and hides the lint screen cage. Another bit of deceptive marketing on their part.

All in all, if the heated machine achieves good temps, this will be an excellent buy.

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remember...with a bigger dryer drum comes a bigger footprint. This is about the only large capacity front loading pair that will fit under a counter or stacked in a standard laundry closet. The only loads I have to split are jeans. I can wash 8-10 pairs, but I split that into two dryer loads so they don't wrinkle.
 
Bearing Noise

I'd agree with you brisnat81, if I hadn't had previous experience spinning several different machine drums without the belts connected. Brush noise is a different sound than bearings moving. I'm not suggesting that bearing noise can be heard across a room or something...you really have to listen for it. But...in this machine, there is no noise at all when you spin the drum manually...from the motor or the bearings. I'd love to hear it at full spin...I'll bet it's WAY quieter than my original Gallery series FL.
 
What a dumb move...

Frigidaire is smokin' the rock at those prices. Obviously, they are giddy on the good press because they CHANGED the MSRPs in front of god and everybody. Get ready to watch the excitement dissolve at the $1000 mark!

Best Buy is selling the 6000 TODAY at $800 regular price, $750 on-sale. Obviously, they already know what the public will see instantly--the upcoming 7000 is a solid contender at $900 but NOT $1000 (or $1100 with shiny paint!?!)

At that price, a Glacier Blue 7000 is up against the GE HEAD-TO-HEAD. If you've got the room for the GE, it is a lot more volume and polish for the money.

My guess is that Frigidaire is trying to protect the price of its previous TOL 2940, but they need to have somebody throw a bucket of cold water at them: crossing the $1000 price point with this machine is just plain stupid.

Frigidaire needs to face the music: their front-load range is now too broad, and either the prices of the lower end units need to drop in line with their actual value, or they will screw up what has so far been a slam-dunk market entry with their new image-makers.

*SMACKS FOREHEAD IN DISGUST*

--Trip
 
Todd, I saw GE's pricing do the same gradual increase on their web site, I think it's cuz someone is monitoring forum reaction and is pricing accordingly to what people will be willing to pay for this feature-set and the demand also.
 
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