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"As for 220v power, even Bosch succumbed and built a plant in the United States to churn out 110v washers and dryers for the US market, leaving Miele the remaining hold out. "

Did Asko go out of business, or pull out of the US market?

"Forget "niche" appliances from today's US washer and dryer manufacturers. It is all about efficent production, which means one or maybe two models in the BOL,MOL and TOL sections that will work everywhere from Canada to Mexico. "

Sorry, but front loaders ARE a niche appliance, still, to begin with. They are getting more popular, that's true, but the vast majority of washers sold in the USA are still traditional agitator designs.

It would not take a major redesign to provide a current American style large front loader with a 220 volt option. All it would be needed for, really, is for the water heater. That is a relatively minor change. I know I'd be willing to pay an extra $100 or so for that option, and I'm pretty sure others here would be so willing also. It's more a matter of myopic appliance marketing than the lack of a market.

"Given the longer drying times of 110 volt dryers, I'd like to see one built with a slower rotation speed to reduce the rubbing/wear on fabrics. I don't even think this would lengthen the cycle, since the tumbling is primarily for the purpose of letting the air flow through every article in the load. "

Miele's literature stresses that the rotation speed must be just so for the laundry to drop from the top of the drum to the bottom and splash into the pool of water at the bottom. Too slow a rotation speed, and the load will just roll in the drum. Too fast, and the laundry won't fall at all, but will stick to the top of the drum all the way through.

I'm not convinced that low water levels and long cycle times are responsible for pilling, anyway. In my experience it has more to do with mixing pill-prone fabrics with lint-prone fabrics. It can also result from mixing heavy fabrics (like cotton towels) with lightweight fabrics (like cotton/poly blend dress shirts). The heavy cotton tends to beat up the light fabrics, as well. Additionally, in machines such as the Maytag Neptune, the longer cycles can be accomplished by simply inserting longer pauses between tumbles. This means that there is virtually no more wear on the fabrics than would be experienced with the same cycle without the stain cycle option.
 
the new FL GE Washer

Pete is right. I purchased the set and I am so disgusted with the washer that I am ready to return it. It has taken all day to wash 6 loads of clothes, that is simply ridicculas. The washer doesn't fully drain either, I have found that I am squeezing the water out of the clothes before I put them in the dryer. I have cut my loads way down and I still have this problem plus it stays on the final minute of the spin and drain cycle for 30 minutes. I am suppose to wash 23 towels in this washer however I am afraid to put more than 10 towels in at a time.
 
Tracee...

Sounds like something is wrong. There is no way with a modern front loader with a 1,000 rpm spin that you should be able to wring any water from towels after a fast spin.

I am wondering if the transit bolts were not removed, so the washer never gets up to full speed.

Of course, it's also possible that this new model is having the usual teething problems that we've seen with other brands, such as Neptune, HE3T, LG, etc. Before you give up on the GEFL perhaps you should ask for a replacement.
 
Here's a link to an article by a GE FL owner... she seems quite happy with her washer/dryer set...

She says that the cycle she uses the most takes over an hour... that must be the one the machine intially estimates at 1 hour 14 minutes. For comparison, the cycle I use the most in my Neptune takes about 1 hour (Normal wash, extra rinse). So the GE FL times are not too far off base.
 
Service Call Needed

Regarding this post:

The washer doesn't fully drain either, I have found that I am squeezing the water out of the clothes before I put them in the dryer. I have cut my loads way down and I still have this problem plus it stays on the final minute of the spin and drain cycle for 30 minutes.

No doubt about it, there is something wrong with your machine! It can't be operating within normal paremeters. If I were you, I would do two things, call the store from which you purchased the machine and let them know that you are willing to pursue having a service call to fix the machine but that if the service call does not resolve these issues, you want a return on the machine AND then promptly call whatever number you are suppose to call for the service call. After you have the service call, then if the issues have not been resolved call the store back and ask for the refund or exchange.

Please post back and let us know what you find out. What a shame to buy a brand new model of a washer and then have it be a lemon. I went through the same thing with the Maytag (samsung) Neptune earlier this year. I had three service calls and then pulled the plug!
 
First Viewing of GE Front Loader

The wait for me today was over. I finally was able to view the elusive new GE front loader! I had to go to my local Home Depot for some bulbs and went over to the applicances. Perfect timing! They had just finished putting out the display models of the GE fl.

Great size, has a heater and a great price! Some other features perhaps have not lived up to hype. Early reports were that this machine was to have 23 cycles. I counted only 10. The saleslady did mention that you could store several of the My Cycle cycles. Any case, I concede that having 23 cycles might not be really necessary. I did note, however, that the GE front loader is missing the following: sanitary cycle and auto soak (or bulky wash) cycle.

But back to the positive side, this machine does set a new bench mark in terms of offering a great size (3.7) and an internal heater for less than $900. Also on the plus side (unlike the Maytags) this is a machine that one can get on sale or specials.

I also went to Best Buy today and noted a LG fl on display. It was a 0642 model I believe. What struck me about it was that it listed its size as 3.82. Does anyone know if that is correct? I have seen typos in stores before. If it is not a typo, that would make LG with the largest washer in the market.
 
" I did note, however, that the GE front loader is missing the following: sanitary cycle and auto soak (or bulky wash) cycle. "

It may be a semantic difference. All three models' control panels pictured in the owner's manual (downloadable from the GE website) indicate that they all have the Sanitize wash temp setting, as well as the "Prewash" option (which is really a presoak, suitable for bulky item handling).

I really do think GE has a winner on their hands with this model. Especially since some customers have been able to order it on-line for under $650.
 
Features of the GE Washer

Hi Sudsmaster,

Thanks for pointing out that the GE fl has a sanitary water temp setting. I agree that even though it doesn't have a sanitary cycle, the fact that you can pick the sanitary water temp gives it the defacto sanitary capacity.

Regarding your other point, I do not agree that "prewash" is interchangeable with either autosoak or bulky wash. From my observation, the prewash provides no more water than the regular wash cycle. With my machine the prewash provide 15 minutes of wash cycle prior to the regular wash cyle. The machine functions just as it would do during a regular wash cycle. With the autosoak option, the machine fills up with water to the bottom of the glass door. For a full 30 minutes the machine allows the clothes to rest for several second and then briefly tumbles them before resting again. With bulky items or items that need a good soaking, you must have an abundance of water - you get that with the autosoak but not the prewash.
 
Hm... Well, yes, but since these machines have automatic water level control, the pre-wash should be able to thoroughly saturate a bulky item, by adding more water as the item soaks it up. To my thinking, the big problem with bulky items such as poly-filled comforters, is that they can tend to shed water, and take longer to get thoroughly wetted than smaller, less bulky items. A prewash (which also has occasional tumbles) will avoid this issue. I'm not sure that a bulky/autosoak setting would do much better.

My Neptune has a presoak option, which works well on bulky items.
 
Redepositing?

New here - As far as redepositing dirt/soil onto clothing goes (due to a lengthy cycle) - why would that be a concern unless the initial washing cycle takes longer than twenty or thirty minutes? Does it, with the GE? Otherwise, wouldn't the dirty/sudsy water already have been washed off in the rinse?
 
Internal heater!

Hi Folks!

I can't understand, why European washing machine manufacturers don't build in internal heaters powerd with gas? You could easily use the gas supply for the Dryer an run both on gas! miele would sell much more machines in the us!

In our loundry room we have a three phase power supply for 220 V.Does anybody know, if that kind of supply is still in use? But normaly there is 3 phase 380 V available for private households. My Grandpa has such a power supply for his electric saw. I once saw a comercial washer, that runs a full cycle (without hot water supply) in less than 45 minutes. But those mashines are extremly expensive!
 

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