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Can you tell when these jets are engaged? Does the machine make any different sound or can you hear the water hitting the pans? I would think water hitting stainless steel or light aluminum pans at close range might make some sound.
 
I have listened before

To tell the truth the machine itself is so dern quiet that you have to strain at the vent to hear much at all.
You can tell when it switches from to the Pro-Scrub jets because you can hear the arm for the upper rack quit swishing by.

Other than that, and since I have only used it on Corningware cooking dishes, I don't hear much difference. Honestly, since you have to face the dish to the back and tilt it downward taking up two rows of tines, so that it get sprayed by the lower spray arms, I don't notice that much difference, and would take up about the same amount of room if I just put it face down in the lower rack Poof-done.
 
Disappointing...

appears to me the internal workings are just something else to tear up or malfunction. I prefer brute force water pressure...guess I'll have to step up my search for an older KA or another Jetclean to keep running...or order some spare parts while they still have them available for the current one.

I wonder if there is any way for us to re-engineer some of these new machines with stronger pumps? I may have to find one on craigslist that someone is throwing out (already) and fiddle with it.
 
An answer to Jerrod's question

My Kenmore Elite is almost 8 years old, thus it doesn't alternate between upper and lower wash arms.  I can tell a noticeable difference when the rear jets come one.  The upper wash arm ceases to turn as all "that" water is directed to the jets.  On all cycles they operate for 4 minutes during the pre wash.  I've always used the option on Pots & Pans, except one time on Normal.  On normal cycle, it operated for about 2 minutes and then another period of about 5 to 8 minutes and that was it.  I thought, why bother and never used Normal again for Turbo Zone.  On Pots & Pans it operates for about 5 minutes early during the main wash and then later toward the end of the main wash for about 17 minutes.  Have never used Turbo Zone of Smart Wash. 
 
The video shows its a "power sprinkle" machine.Buy an OLDER KA machine andn get some REAL cleaning action--and less time.Screw the water use and power use.I want my dishes WASHED-NOT sprinkled in less time.Time is more valueable to me than the water or power useage.Just as well you CAN'T see the "power Piddle" cleaning action of that new KA machine-or is it WP?
 
Thanks for posting links to manual but boy

The cycle times are just something else.

So for baked on soil the max time would be 3 hours 59 minutes - ok 4 hours. Except that if you look down further in the manual you see that if you use the hi temp option it will add more time and if you add the pro scrub option that will add 30 to 40 minutes more. Maybe I am not understanding that correctly.

There is an express cycle which is good and it lasts up to 62 minutes but the manual says to add the pro dry option for best performance and this option increases the time 32 minutes. So a bit over 1 hour and a half - not too bad but 5 gallons of water.

One thing I really don't understand is the min max times. I don't understand this because there only seems to be one one soil sensing cycle so I understand increasing time for more soil, but the rest of the cycles don't have this, so what is causing a min-max time?

The manual does explain more time is required for energy efficiency but then tells you to run hot water to the machine. You pay before it goes in or you pay after it goes in. Most people don't have my situation of having to run 2 gallons of water to the sink before getting hot water, but given that I would rather pay to heat cold water in the machine than do this so having this machine would most likely be no savings for me.

I note that the tough baked on food cycle takes 4 hours - even more if I add hi temp or pro dry options. The last time I ran my cheese cycle(burned on cheese casserole) it took 2 hours 40 minutes - that was with incoming water of 63F so I am a bit bummed at the time this would take even after running hot water to the machine. I mean over half of a work day to wash heavy soiled dishes?

It's seems we move forward - we move backward.

Anyone know what the projected lifespan of this Dw is and how much it costs?
 
The sensors in Whirlpool machines are used throughout all cycles besides the Quick/Express and of course Rinse & Hold cycles. The Min-Max times are just that: the minimum time the cycle will run, and vice versa. The times are all measured by algorithms depending on the readouts from the optical sensor at certain points throughout the cycle. At the beginning, a low soil reading could progress the prewash straight into the main wash, and likewise a heavy soil reading can add prewashes and prerinses, add time to the main wash, and add rinses as well. The sensor usually activates in the first rinse, and then calibrates in the final rinse.
 
Re vintage Kitchen Aid...

Kitched Aid had a magazine ad in the early 60s of one of their top loading portables running with the lid open, water shooting 10 to 15 feet in the air!!!!I bet a new one wouldn't reach 10 to 12 inches!!! What a joke!,,Just like washing clothes, you have to use water to wash, no matter if the government likes for you to or not!
 
Hmmm...

I skimmed the manual. No mention of tub light (when or how it works)
No mention of the purpose of the window either.

Geared whirly-gig wash-o-copter thingy might prove to be a source of failure.

Any other makes on the market with a motorized wash arm drive?

Malcolm
 
looks like a joke to me

as is the case with most eco-sanctioned machines these days.

When my eco-approved GE switches to the top arm (after multiple starts/stops) you can barely hear the water hitting the machine or the dishes.

The new digs have a Frigidare. I suppose I'll see how well it works. Wonder if I am committed to using a specific brand of detergent in it?
 
Another inside view of "new" KitchenAids

Found this while checking out some of Reviewed.com's other videos.

I find myself hating this WP design less and less as videos like this surface, but still, it's definitely no PowerClean or Voyager, and most certainly not a Hobart. It is nice to see the upper shower arm spinning so energetically, and the spray coming from the arms isn't terrible either, though with the rotation speeds I can see why the ridiculous cycle times are necessary.

The KitchenAid looks much different in operation than the actual WP machines, which is most likely because of the slightly larger pump they put into the KA's. The spray in the WP's, while not terrible, is still anemic in comparison.

 

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