New Maytag commercial top load washer video.

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Just commented on that board. I was wondering why on the last rinse the washer agitated at full power? That was the delicate cycle. This is definitely a worthy contender to Speed Queen.

Kirk said in another comment that Maytag was getting their ducks lined up for 2018.Got to ask him what he meant by that. Is Maytag coming out with more models with this kind of wash action and beefed up motor and cabinets? Something to look forward to.

Pat[this post was last edited: 11/26/2017-08:10]
 
VMW Price

This design is a lot cheaper than DDs, and a lot easier to service both in accessibility and weight. Thus far I have only worked on two VMW washers for friends, and I can tell you hands down these a breeze to work on. Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.

Also remember that transmission in DDs is solid poured metal, expensive to make. That and I heard that in the late 2000s Whirlpool needed to re-tool the DD transmission platform because it was cranking out parts that were failing prematurely.

If Whirlpool beefed up their VMW design, it could easily out last the DDs. Far fewer moving parts.
 
 
<blockquote>ChetLaham:  Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.</blockquote> But isn't lightweight-edness a large part of what makes them objectionable, cheap, and no good?  :-)
 
It's just nice to see another simple, heavy duty machine on the market. Seems like the last few years have been so schizophrenic for Whirlpool trying to keep up with DOE mandates and/or consumer preference. Hopefully things will settle down now. This is a great product.
 
This machine does seem to be heavier than a Maytag TL which is comparable to this. This machine weighs 159 lbs, the Maytag MVWC416FW comes in at around 144 lbs, a 15 pound difference. Both machines are the same capacity, come with deep fill options and contain some form of agitator.

That spray rinse was interesting. I like how it pulled the water through the clothes then added more water. The spray rinse also seemed familiar...WP resource saver anyone? Those did 6 spray rinses during the spin, this machine, with the limitation of modern restrictions, did 3. Go figure.

Another thing which got me, again the spray rinse. The video had extra rinse off which is why some could argue to why it did not fill up to the top. However the manual *SEEMS* to state otherwise. Nowhere in the manual does it say to select extra rinse if fabric softener is added. In fact, it also clearly states you can add fabric softener manually during the final rinse if preferred. Once again, no mention of turning on extra rinse.

Based off of that, I can only draw one thing. The machine is now smart enough to know how light the load is and realizes that for a load that size, a spray rinse will be enough, but it will also be enough to satisfy testing needs. That's almost a nudge from WP to do heavier, larger loads (to provide better rinsing) in this *commercial* machine to resonate the meaning of commercial...smart.
 
There is something to be said for the simplicity of this machine. Even if the machine is lighter weight.. BUT made with quality materials and craftsmanship that shouldn't really matter. As chetlaham said, beefing up the components they already have would be a smart move for them.

Whirlpool had two very successful runs with the BD and DD platforms and I don't see why they can't do it with this platform either. The thought of a machine that is lighter in weight and easier to work on and fix and performs the way an agitator top load should would be a win.

That was another thing JoeyPete, it was a shame to see the company that built some of the best top loaders ever go in the space of a decade to building dreck.

I didn't want another WP product after my Bravo X... there was some hope with the VMW agitator machines coming back.. and now this.. we can only hope things at Whirlpool get better and they produce a reliable top loader under this platform that has been around a little while now.

Pat
[this post was last edited: 11/26/2017-13:25]
 
Painted Lid

Looks like this model has a painted lid. The coin model has the porcelain enamel top and lid. But you can get that model without the coin box. Also the coin models are smaller, 2.9 cu. ft. Warners Stellian has it for $100 off so the price probably will be less than suggested retail.

Looks a lot like the Whirlpool CAE2795FQ

http://https//www.homedepot.com/p/W...-Top-Load-Washer-in-White-CAE2795FQ/301845807
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Guys is it me or does the porcelain coated wash baskets in the Amana washers and Whirlpools seem smaller than the super capacity direct drives? Yet they claim more capacity that the DD washers which were 3.0-3.2 cf.?

They look smaller and narrower like the early DD washer baskets. I'm getting old.

Pat
 
That spin cycle video is impressive. I have to say that my Maytag is the best at balancing a load of any washer I’ve ever owned. I have a heavy waffle weave cotton outter shower curtain, a nylon liner, heavy woven cotton bathmat and a rubbermaid tub mat, that once a month I wash all together in one load. The only time my washer has gone out balance was the first time I washed this load. I stopped it, rearranged the rubber mat, restarted and finished the spin. But since the one time, everytime I wash this same load the washer goes into a smooth spin without hesitation. The suspension must really be good.

I haven’t tried the phone book trick, but it wouldn’t surprise me if my Maytag handled it the same way.

Eddie
 
Its definitely apparent that the cabinet is of better construction in these machines. I have an older VMW and when the outer tub smacks against the cabinet in an out of balance load the sheet metal cabinet flexes. It sounds like a drum. These new ones are solid!
 
These seem to be nice machines

I was the one who requested the mop and phone book tests. I wondered if they beefed up the suspension to match everything else. I am impressed with the washing action, seems as or even more vigorous than 210 degree flex vane agitation on an SQ. WP has certainly took notice of SQ.

What happened to Pat(agiflow2)?
 
Really great and interesting machine

It's almost like somebody at Whirlpool was told to make a washer as close to the old DD design as possible on the new platform. Bet that was a lot of fun if the right person got the assignment.

The only minor criticisms I can think of are the fixed water level for most cycles and the obvious bug in using fast agitation on the 2nd rinse of the delicate cycle.

 

But there is so much to like. The presoak option on any cycle is perfect given that modern enzyme detergents need longer to work.

 

Does anybody know how much bigger this tub is compared to the old DD? 

 

My biggest issue would be paying $800+ (plus tax) for one of these given how many great used DDs are being sold on Craigslist for $150 or even less.

There are some more videos from Kirk Rivas on YouTube showing the underside lid instructions and the the front service panel removed.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXA9miRhU
 

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