New Miele G 7000 dishwasher with PowerDisk

[henene4]

That's an EU thing

The new regulation that came in effect in March this year allow for only 1 cycle being the cycle used for testing.

No other cycle is allowed to be named similar to the label cycle which must be named Eco.
So, other cycle names prohibited are Normal, Daily, Regular etc.

And thus, they needed a new name for their normal cycle.

PowerWash was chosen to suggest thorough efficent cleaning of medium to heavy soils.
Further, BSH has a simmilar cycle called something like Heavy, so they probably just looked at that aswell.

 

[jerrod_six]

I think the Normal cycle is mainly found in North America and maybe Canada. In the USA the Department of Energy mandates that the cycle used for energy ratings must be named Normal, so we see dishwashers and now even all washers and driers having a Normal cycle. This mandate also says that if a dishwasher has a soil sensor then it must be used in the Normal cycle. I think the name Normal was chosen to fool consumers into using an Eco cycle. Thus Normal is the ECO cycle on a machine and is the reason some washers with heaters don't use them on the Normal cycle.

MieleRob:
Thanks for posting a picture of the bottom wash arm. You mentioned that each arm has its own spray period. On my 6 series, most programs alternate every 30 seconds top/bottom, then middle on its own, and on pots and pans the alternating time is different. On your 7 series how long does each arm spray?

 

[littlegreeny]

Congrats on the new dishwasher! The tub looked a little less cluttered on the old models when the supply pipes were hidden.

 

[jerrod_six]

How long for each area?

Rod

You mentioned above that your 7000 series DW washes each rack separately. Will you tell me how long each rack level gets sprayed before moving on to the next? I think my 6000 series currently sprays for 30 seconds, except for pots and pans which sprays for perhaps one minute 20 seconds - at least in the bottom.

Thanks in advance.

 

[mielerod69]

@jerrod_six

The dishwasher seems to stay on each level for around one minute. I've used the Extra Clean option and the dishwasher introduces a flush after each program segment. I thought it would've added an additional rinse.

 

[jerrod_six]

Thanks, Rod

I just ran the Sanitize cycle on my 6-series and discovered that it alternates every minute during the wash instead of every 30 seconds, but it is using the previous method of spraying the bottom/top, then middle. I thought extra clean might add a prewash, and change that water before the wash, but what is the flush you mentioned?

 

[mielerod69]

Cleaning results with PowerDisk

Hi Everyone,
I'd like to show you how good this dishwasher cleans even the hardest baked-on food. I've been using this machine for quite a few months and its performance has been outstanding.
This was a load I did last night with four casserole dishes with baked-on residue.
Selected the Auto program with IntenseZone 2.25 hours. The machine used just 0.8 kWh and 11 liters of water.
I have the detergent set to 5.5 grams (default is 7 grams), the water softener set to 6 dH, and the rinse aid set to 1 ml.

 

[kimp1]

Setting the Detergent Dosage Amount

Hi Mielerod
I have the G7519 dishwasher and agree its cleaning performance is by far the best of any dishwasher I have owned. I thought the PowerDisk was a gimmick but once you've lived with it for a while I'm happy to pay the premium for the convenience and the cleaning results.
Just one thing - as far as I understand things, you cannot actually adjust the amount of detergent being dispensed. The amount of detergent that comes out is a factor of the design of the disk itself - with the current disks each time they rotate approx 7g of detergent will come out. If a full PowerDisk contains 400g of detergent then the machine will determine that it is nearly empty after approx 57 rotations (about 20 loads). Changing the "dosage amount" to 5.5g will likely result in your machine not alerting the disk is empty until it's completed 72 rotations (about 24 loads). If my theory is correct then the last four loads you wash will be done without any detergent actually coming out - although I think the light beam that measures the fall of the detergent may detect the problem and set off some error.
I have always ASSUMED the ability to "set the dosage amount" and "set the disk fill level" is to allow for any new disk designs that are released in the future that may store more/less powder and deliver more/less with each rotation.
At least that's my reading of the manual for my model but would love to be corrected if I've been reading it wrong and you can actually change the amount that comes out.
Kev

 

[lakewebsterkid]

Nice!

Glad to hear the 7 series is doing great! Do you have any issues with items in the middle of the bottom rack not being clean? It looks like there is a big gap in spray coverage of the wash arm. Keep us updated.

 

[mielerod69]

PowerDisk amount

Hi Kev,
It does tell me when it's empty and never had a problem with cleaning. There is a 15-gram reserve chamber, so once that is empty, the dishwasher notifies me.

 

[logixx]

 

[jerrod_six]

Nice to see you are getting such good results with your DW and in a 2:25 run time!

 

[mielerod69]

Dishwasher temperature profile.

Hi Everyone,

Following on temperature profile tests on heat pump dryers. I decided to do the same test in my Miele dishwasher. I ran two different programs and this is what I found.
Auto 45 -65 C + IntenseZone option. Running time 2 hours 34 minutes. Hot water connection.
Prewash - 30C
Main wash - 50C, then further heating to 57C during IntenseZone phase
Final rinse - 61C

QuickPowerWash + IntenseZone. Running time: 1 hour 4 minutes. Hot water connection
Main wash - 68C, then reheat to 68C during IntenseZone phase
Final rinse - 65C

The QPW impresses me with even baked-on dishes coming out spotless clean in around 1 hour. Amazing!

 

[moon1234]

This is very interesting. We have a high use household and I don't like having dishwasher tabs in the house. My wife loves them so we have the plastic jug of finish tablets.

The killer for me would be having to buy the detergent from Miele. I wonder if it would be possible to drill a hole in the side of the power disk about the size of a small funnel and then just refill it. That or make a small hole in the foil on the top, refill with a funnel and the cover hole with a piece of duct foil tape or duct tape?

That would surely reduce the cost of the detergent to normal and still get the AutoDos function. If Miele was not shooting for recurring revenue they could have very easily made that whole dispenser a simple flip open door you open and then dump in detergent of your choice, close the door and be done with it for the next 20-25 loads.

It should be simple just like the water softener salt chamber in the bottom of the dishwasher.

I really love the TwinDos option on my washing machine and refill on those bottles is very easy. Depending how long the existing dishwasher lasts I will have a little time to think up how to refill the cartridge.

Some enterprising company should think up a way of making a refillable cartridge. It can not be THAT difficult.

 

[logixx]

There are already "tutorials" on either drilling into the PowerDisk or cutting into the foil to refill it.