New Products Hitting The UK Detergent Market

[aquarius1984]

Wow! I had a great night at work last night when I had a massive cage full of "New" products come in.

So I thought id let ya'll know what ya can expect so see over the next few weeks.

Firstly a friendly rant, let me get it over and done with about PandG and there new wonder product.

A supoosedly successful detergent company who has so much faith in their washing detergents that they say you can use their premium brand and get excellent whites at 30*c feel the need to produce a new stain remover powder WACKO! with bleach and OB's .

I predicted this a few weeks ago on a thread somewhere which ive yet to locate, my thought was that because Ariel Bio/Non Bio dosnt clean whites to the standard Persil does, eventually they would release a Chlorox type product to aid a perfect white at low temps.

Well its here. Ace Stain Remover Powder.

It says its for deep cleaning and colour protection but if im not mistaken are Ob's and Oxygen BA's not bad for coloureds?

The smell when I opened the box was pretty shocking, I got a strong whiff of chlorine bleach for some reason but now Ive smelt it more it actually has the same perfume in it that the previous Daz powder had in it.

Instructions on usage are pretty strict, you cant add this prodcut in a dosing ball or directly in the drum, no doubt because it will bleach colours badly on contact.
62ml/50g for a normal dose.......... it gets better....... for very tough stains use double! So Ariel, Daz, Fairy and Bold are not good enough with their dosages even with the add 80ml Extra and See the Difference! for very tough stains you also have to see the difference! with double of this.

I can just imagine how this product will be advertised.

" washing at temperatures as low as 30* whites become dingy and some stains may not be removed, New Ace Powder the answer to all them problems! Guaranteed to remove ground in grime at low temps and also kill many species of aqautic life when you pump this amazing cocktail of chemicals into the rivers and streams" ok you get the jist LOL!

It will be good to see how well this prodcut sells and if it really does work, I only bought some for the pic and will try it on a white shirt I have only washable at low temps. Id try it with Persil but the regular whites from that are perfect and I suspect it wont really make much difference except to really blind the neighbours with pegged out washing.

Retailing at £2.99
500g

SURCARE FS is now being relaunched, they have done away with the regular formulation and now are concentrating on a concentrated formula. its still un perfumed, quite thick and looks ok. Having said that when I gave it a quick whiff I got a nosefull of BBQ'd beef burgers, despite being unperfumed it does have that kind of smell to it. Not my thing I think.

"Tesco" have got a new line up of 2in1 products with a new Ocean flavour liquid and powder detergent, dosnt smell very nice IMO rather cheap and unlike the ocean scents of other products, in fact it has a fishy smell, well maybe thats the ocean bit for you........

Finish Rinse Aid will now be known as "Finish Drying Aid with Turbo Dry"!. Premium product premium Price tag.

This formulation is like thick bleach as opposed to watery rinse aid and tells you all about how it dries dishes from the dishwasher without water streaks and with some nice pics. I wonder how the thickness will be in the rinse aid dispenser and whether it could clog some up. but as sooon as the Hottie needs some il get some. Im out of the regular one anyway.

500ml for £2.99

Tesco "Naturally" Range has also got a new Soya Wax candle that burns for a long 60 hours with a Vanilla scent. Another push for the own label ecological products.

"METHOD" eco cleaning prducts, Ive seen funky containers of Lavender Washing up liquid that are available on the American detergent market along with cucumber multi purpose cleaner and various handwashes (like Carex) flavoured with "Sweet Water" and Lavender.

Funky Products that will look good on your shelves and supposedly clean with minimum impact on the environment. Worth a go when im due a product top up.

"Ecover" have also brought out an Eco Friendly handwash (like Carex) but ive yet to open the case to have a gander.

think thats aout it, sure there was something else that I can add when I think what it is.

Ace Powder

 

[aquarius1984]

Ingredients

15-30% OBA's
Zeolites
Polycarboxylates
anionic surfactants
Nonionics
OB's
Perfume

And amzingly no 95*c washes are mentioned in the temps, so this is obvioulsy to be paired with Ariel....... Hate to say I told you so LOL!!!!

Nick

 

[chestermikeuk]

Lol...

Nick, glad to see some of us up and working during the night!!! AND, never say "I Told You So" especially on this forum, cos words have a habit of coming back to smack you in the GOB BIG STYLE...LOL

The ACE bleach will obviously be needed to work with the 30d powder IF said people dont prescribe to the TIME, TEMP, AGITATION & CHEMISTRY of Laundry Life methodology that people here do...

The 30d does work IF you adjust the Time//Agitation/Chemical factors to equal the difference in temp ,

Me and John spent the last few weeks using Persil to see what we could do, AND substituting 2 tabs of Ariel for Persil, using the same Time/Temp/Agitation etc, both of us agreed that the results where inferior to our normal usage of Ariel....

What we need to do is move the co-effiecient factors of the equation to see if the results differ....

Until then , Its ARIEL Bio all the way!!!!Yay!!!

Cheers, Mike

 

[aquarius1984]

LOL!

Mike,

Guess I shot it off a bit quick (LOL) but I hate seeing ppl get ripped off and having to buy seperate products when a premium detergent should work first time according to advertising hype.

Could you specify the factors needed to create a perfect white at 30 with Ariel..... over the past few months ive seen Mum us Ariel Bio Liquid and NB tablets, both marketed at the 30*c audience and both didnt perform in the LG at 30, 40. or 60 as to what I get with Persil on a 95er with every machine Ive had.

The Bio tabs and powder did nothing for me at all temps in the Hottie which when all said and done is a regular washer that the general public have a plenty.

Il give the bio powder and tabs a whirl in the LG soon by all means on its various Bio, and Intensive options on different cycles at 30 no probs but what do I need? Pre wash, Long wash, short wash, soaks, high water levels, low levels, excellent rinsing?

Im not against Ariel in general just this new formulation and a couple previously as I was brought up on it almost solely for the first 12 years of my life (paired with blue Lenor), it was only after that did it all seem to go wrong with shoddy rinsing and allergies like you never knew.

Had they not messed with what was a good product IMO, I would be recommending it to this day.

Nick

P.S I think this stuff is Daz! maybe souped up!

 

[2drumsallergy]

Ariel Bio

Hi Mike,
It's Ariel Bio powder for me all the way. I am not biased against any brand of detergent but having tried literally every detergent out there I have to conclude in my personal experience Ariel Bio provides outstanding results. I never have problems with Ariel not removing stains and I have no need to add stain removers or pre treat stains as Ariel simply works.
I have also washed whites at 30ºC using Ariel Bio with perfect spotless results, however I just cant get my head round washing in such cool water and continue to boil my whites.
I have to conclude that both P&G and Unilever produce top quality detergents but in my personal experience P&G have always had the performance edge.

David

 

[spoodles]

I guess the Ace thing is good for people who may only use Colour or liquid/liquitabs for the odd thing that has very bad stains in it. Isn't it just a powdered version of the Ace tablets that were around a couple of years ago?

It's no better or worse than all those different Vanish stain removers that really make no difference as far as I can tell, except you're adding more bleach to the wash...it's just P&G wanting a share of that market too - I don't think it's them saying Ariel doesn't really clean at 30*! Lol! Maybe people that use Tesco Value detergent would need it?!

I've never had a problem with Ariel Colour liquid or liquitabs getting anything out, so I've never bothered with any of these stain remover products. Ariel Bio tabs and liquitabs are perfect too...I much prefer them to the Persil tablets-in-a-bag palaver, and those new gel tablets are just ridiculous!

That Finish product sounds like one P&G make in some European coutries called "Yes (aka Fairy) power dry" or something....expect to see it launched as part of the Fairy dishwasher range in the UK soon no doubt.

 

[islingtonsteve]

Nick..
I very much doubt that the Ace powder is targeted at Ariel users. Most likely for home brand detergents that need a kick up the arse.

Have to agree with the ariel lovers on this thread. For me it consistantly out performs Persil. Coming from Australia I am used to washing in cold water and have continued to do so over here (30C - a few degrees off of Sydney 'cold' water) and get the best results with Ariel. I do use a lengthy cottons program while washing at these temps as I am not sure that any of them would clean very well on a quick wash at this temp.
Ariel all the way..

 

[hoovermatic]

I just bought some Persil Small and Mighty Bio and have done a load of coloureds at 30C and the results were excellent. It smells like bubble bath in the bottle and is thinner than I expected however, it saves a ton of space in the cupboard and as I only need half the recommended amount due to mega soft water, it will be very economical.

I'm with the Ariel fans though when it comes to a white wash -it is my experience that it is unbeatable.

I have tried ALL of the boosters on the market and in my opinion, they make next to no difference, with liquid Ace being the worst of them all. It is my belief that they are a waste of money and I no longer use any of them.

 

[lavamat_jon]

I have to say too that I think the Ace powder isn't there to add to the cleaning performance of Ariel (it doesn't need it, nor does any other quality detergent), but is just P&G's "me too" variant of Vanish, Oxi-Clean etc. I have used Ariel, Persil, and Bold consistently for the past few months now and I've never had less than perfect results with the majority of loads - though the Ariel I had a couple months ago had seemed to have some rinsing issues but the stuff at the moment I'm using don't, so they must have sorted that out.

In terms of Small & Mighty, I have to say that while it is certainly an improvement over the old Liquigels in terms of sudsing & rinsing out (even the Miele couldn't rinse out Persil Liquigel very well), it wasn't particularly good on muddy jeans that Ariel or Persil colour powder/tabs would remove, but in all fairness I don't think Ariel Colour liquid would have done a better job too and that it is probably just for it to do with being a liquid detergent, which in my experience don't clean as well as powder or tablets.

The only thing I'm not keen on with Ariel bio powder is the smell, some days I don't mind it and others I can't stand it. But it's not a problem anymore with the rinse results I get with the Miele but when I used to use it in the Bosch, and in my nana's old WM25 when I lived with her for a couple weeks last year it did leave quite a strong smell on the laundry.

In terms of whiteness, I think both Ariel and Persil whiten superbly (Bold can leave a greenish tinge), but Ariel whites tend to be more "snowy" where Persil's are more "icy", if that makes sense. I always wash whites at 40 or 50*C and have never suffered from dingy or dull whites, though if I use a short wash irregardless of temperature white socks still can have a brownish tinge on the bottom of them whereas if Intensive is selected they are cleaned perfectly. In fact I believe so much in how well both Ariel and Persil bio powders whiten that I daren't use it on darks and colours, and I'm pretty strict to use colour care detergent on these loads especially as I like to take care of my clothes. Plus I've seen what non-bio detergents do to colours and darks over time from mum's love of non biological detergents.

To be honest, I think with most detergents it is a case of your mileage may vary as water conditions & the washing and rinsing quality of washing machines vary so much across the board, to the point that it is unfair to be biased to one multinational company (P&G) or the other (Unilever).

Jon

 

[hoovermatic]

I am trying the Persil Bio Small and Mighty on a load of whites at 30C as we speak on the longest wash cycle I have and am looking forward to seeing the results. I just did coloured load and am using Saisbury's Blue Linen softener at the moment. I like the combined smell that the two products left on the clothes totally different to the new improved (for the millionth time) Daz I have been using and am very impressed with.

 

[aquarius1984]

So the feeling amongst this club is that Ariel works on
l-o-n-g cool washes?

So why do they say brilliant cleaning on a Quickwash Cycle?

Thsi is bugging me now, I cant stand false claims by detergents and Persil dont make any as far as im concened. they just let you choose your preferred cycle.
I just guess ive had 2 of those bad batches of Ariel, so ive got another box which I will put thru its paces this week.

As for bad batches of detergent it appears outside of Cheshire there are quite a few bad batches of Persil of which ive not come across in the 7 years ive used it solely.
Maybe its inside Cheshire that the bad batches of Areil exist?

LOL

I dont want anyone to get me wrong and think im an angry, moody, biased and trouble causing T***, I just find it so hard to believe I can get pristine whites across my wash at 30*c with Ariel from what ive witnessed.

Im not saying I get brilliant whites with Persil at 30 either, it does need that 95*c to get it right but then white cottons etc should be washed at 95.

 

[aquarius1984]

Oh that other new product was Tesco "Rose" FS

Two words for it...... Brothel/Boudoir!

you know where im going with this.....

amusing rather like the new Glade Candle called Boudoir......

who thinks of these names?

Nick

 

[aquarius1984]

Guess id better say I dont have any issues with Ariel colour, its pretty darn good and I quite like the liqutabs.

I wouldnt let it near my bedding and work shirts otherwise LOL.

Nick, sat in the garden avec wonderful sunshine, the cats playing and with a nice coffee and biscotti.

 

[islingtonsteve]

Nick...
I'm not sure it's a false claim. I don't think they have ever said was at 30C on a quickwash and gain great results. They had two seperate advertising campaigns. One suggested that you might like to turn your temps down to 30C and gain the same results as a 40C temp. The other a few months beforehand indicated that a new formulation of their tablets meant that they dissolved fast which was ideal for a quickwash.

 

[spoodles]

I always use Ariel liquitabs on a quickwash/40C wash and get perfect results on everything...and I have never washed anything over 60C, I just don't see the point. Our clothes are never that dirty that they need boiling to get them clean, even white shirts come out pristine on a 40C quick wash with Ariel Bio. I just don't get why people still need to boil clothes clean these days!

I don't think there is any real difference between Ariel and Persil, they both clean excellently, although the old Persil liquigel was a bit disappointing on any tpye of food stains. I never use any powder detergents so can't compare those, but as for tabs, liquitabs and liquids, Ariel are perfect.

 

[newwave1]

Hey all,
Personally, i think that Ariel is fantastic. No issues from me. Though if you have a machine that rinses equally aswell as it washes it helps.

Like it's been said the 30degree and quickwash campaigns were totally seperate!

I wash at 40 & 60. And 50 when i feel like it. My whites come out white with 80mls of ariel or persil. So unless your dancing in puddles i don't foresee a problem.

I think it helps running a machine off cold fill. And manufactuers seem to agree. All my machines run off cold water.

It allows the enzymes perfect time to WORK rather than hot water deactivating them. As i found running my old newwave, it had an 8minute enzyme phase as does my AEG Which i used ariel in both and both machines produced more than acceptable cleaning and rinsing.

I had a few gripes about rinsing a while back with ariel but all seems to be right again. And to be fair my mothers latest batch of persil isn't anything to write home about.

Darren

 

[lavamat_jon]

"Quickwash action"

I have to say that I think Ariel does perform better on a quick wash, I often use the Quick Wash 40*C on the Miele which does a 10 minute wash (similar to the length of a 40*C cottons wash in your Hotpoint Nick), for darks and coloureds which are only in need of freshening up (rather than the standard Automatic, Cottons or Minimum Iron prorgammes), and they perform really well. What I also like about Ariel tablets - they dissolve instantly, can be dropped into the dispenser etc rather than having to be put in a net, and still not be dissolved a few minutes into the wash cycle.

I don't think Ariel is making false claims - while I must have had a dodgy box last autumn which didn't give me good results it was only that one box, and over the past few years that I have used Ariel on and off I've never had bad results. If we really want to be picky about false claims, I have to say that sometimes I have to use a prewash with whites whether it's with Persil or Ariel, which sends Persil's "no need to pretreat" idea out the window...

A lot of these "claims" though are solely to do with advertising and often aren't thought up of by the brains at Ariel themselves but rather the marketing department, which any company is guilty of.

Jon

 

[dascot]

Nick,

The two campaigns about washing at 30 and the quick wash cleaning were different.

I don't like Ariel - can't use bio detergents and the non-bio Ariel and Fairy just don't rinse out well at all in soft water.

I stick with Persil non-bio or Tesco/Sainsbury own brand at the moment.

As for Ecover hand soap - they've been making that for years, it's nice, but pricey.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Aquarius1984

Who makes that "Radiant" detergent in your cupboard? And where'd you get it?

I ask, because the only previous time I've seen it in the UK was in a photo of Jon Pertwee as DR WHO, holding a copy of a 1973-ish "Radio Times", as some monsters looked over his shoulder. ("Radiant" was advertised on the back cover...).

Ariel does clean better than other detergents, but each time they reformulate it, it seems to go through a 'hiccup stage'.

eg. Ariel Tablets: When they came out at first, they smelled wonderful, but didn't clean as well as the powder version. They eventually fixed the tablets' 'cleanability', and now they don't smell as good.

As for the current Ariel Biological Powder (in the green box): I think it smells flaming awful!

You have to use hotter washes to keep whites brilliant. You also have to use hot washes to keep the machines clean. Using low temperature washes and liquid detergents in particular, can cause the drum support 'spider' to disintegrate.