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[phillymatt53]

i have a pretty good proof of how bad electronique is my current daily driver washer maytag mvw6230hw2 top load washer that all electronique with Wi-Fi connect do not send hot water if set to cool warm or hot or cold that mix hot cold water i am force to use tap cold quick wash 38 minutes 51 minutes max unless requiring a max fill 1 hour 9 minutes its 5 years old and my biggest fear is it could go next month next year with out turning on if i have to do laundry or not fill at all linking the mother board just failed happen with a 3 year old ge profile dishwasher and that has cause that today i have a serious mistrust of all electroniques washer dryer set when it comes to washer repairs not everyone has the talent to repair some need to call a service tech so count the call charge of the service tech + the price of the replacement part if the tech has the part repair and pay the service tech in the end depending on the model the repair ends up being the price of a new washer

Pierre, you want control over your appliances, and you want them to provide service for a long time.
And in a perfect world, you are entitled to that, and its called individual freedom.

However, in these days, that is not left to you to decide, it's under the power of the manufacturers and designers who do not consider what you want.
They want to insure that their offerings are made to a specific quality level, in order to guarantee further revenue comes from future replancements.

A quote from an online source which makes sense:
Planned obsolescence is a business strategy where products are intentionally made to have a limited lifespan, a practice often driven by corporate greed and aimed at increasing future sales and profits.

As I mentioned in my post #86, your "freedom" is limited to what others decide what is best - for "them", not you.

Of course, manufacturers, corporations, are concerned with staying in business, making a profit, and like any living creature, have the desire to stay alive.
I have no problem with that of course, but it has obviously taken a course towards the wrong direction, not in the best interest of consumers.
Decades ago, manufacturers were honest, respectable, and had good reputations.
But since then, all that corporation merging, increasing greed, the economy and cost of living, has tainted those companies at the expense of our pocketbook and our fundamental freedoms.

I dare anyone to prove me wrong about this.

 

[Chetlaham]

Hi Chet,
I, jokingly, must have some kind of "super brain" with depths beyond the average person.
I once took an IQ test, just for amusement and curiosity of course, and got rated as 122, how accurate that is I don't know, and actually I don't care.

Because people I know personally, as well as aquaintences, often show that they've "bought into" the lies, propaganda, and misinformation, along with the manipulation that comes from the wonderful land of The Internet, The News, and Mass Marketing.
I often mention that I can see through things like I'm looking through a freshly washed window, while others are simply admiring a stained glass window's man-made colors and designs.
While I justify my sense of being able to look at things that others seem to miss or ignore, I also naturally get chastized for it.

I understand how you feel. I know it all to well! At least from the things I have experienced. I will simply state a personal observation or learned fact to be a part of a conversion, to be nice, to empower someone, to share knowledge ect. Out of sheer good intent. And of course I have a love for technical things in general. Only to have people think I am somehow compensating, trying to be smarter than I really am, odd, a know it all ect. Myself thinking they don't believe me I will cite my sources. Of course this only makes it worse as people thinking I can't let go of a disagreement, that I am being confrontation, that I am an arrogant, ect. People have taken it further pahtoligizing it by assuming I am a narcissist which is dangerous thinking. It leads to people alienating me or trying to 'pop' my ego by tearing down my sense of self worth. Ultimately you just give up on any interaction with people, which leads to extreme isolation and loneliness with everything else that brings.

People have always had a need to correct me rather than understanding me going as far bullying, behavioral analysis and rejection.

Its not just you or me though, these experiences are common for many people. Smart people, dumb people, people who struggle with mental health, minorities, LGBTQIA++, non neural typical, ect are the most misunderstood and thus as a byproduct vilified and oppressed people by far.

It is wrong, because while some may take comfort or hedonistic fulfillment in marginalizing non neural typical people out of their own ignorance, elevating non neural typical people would result in a world that is substantially better for everyone including those who don't understand it.


IQ test aside I can tell that you are smart, lucid and also have empathy for other people. I notice that its very common for people try pin a lack of empathy on smart and autistic people which I tend to find not true at all. Smart and autistic people are some of the most altruistic people, they want to use their knowledge and talent to better humanity and in turn reduce suffering while improving the human condition for everyone. History has shown that over and over.


With that said Phillymatt you are a breadth or fresh air and much of what this forum needs.

 

[Chetlaham]

i have a pretty good proof of how bad electronique is my current daily driver washer maytag mvw6230hw2 top load washer that all electronique with Wi-Fi connect do not send hot water if set to cool warm or hot or cold that mix hot cold water i am force to use tap cold quick wash 38 minutes 51 minutes max unless requiring a max fill 1 hour 9 minutes its 5 years old and my biggest fear is it could go next month next year with out turning on if i have to do laundry or not fill at all linking the mother board just failed happen with a 3 year old ge profile dishwasher and that has cause that today i have a serious mistrust of all electroniques washer dryer set when it comes to washer repairs not everyone has the talent to repair some need to call a service tech so count the call charge of the service tech + the price of the replacement part if the tech has the part repair and pay the service tech in the end depending on the model the repair ends up being the price of a new washer

I fully get you. Let me be the one to say that I am sorry for what you are going through.

Your washer is certainly not built to handle your needs and that is Whirlpool's fault not yours.

I hope you can get a vintage EM machine soon.

 

[Chetlaham]

Pierre, you want control over your appliances, and you want them to provide service for a long time.
And in a perfect world, you are entitled to that, and its called individual freedom.

However, in these days, that is not left to you to decide, it's under the power of the manufacturers and designers who do not consider what you want.
They want to insure that their offerings are made to a specific quality level, in order to guarantee further revenue comes from future replancements.

A quote from an online source which makes sense:
Planned obsolescence is a business strategy where products are intentionally made to have a limited lifespan, a practice often driven by corporate greed and aimed at increasing future sales and profits.

As I mentioned in my post #86, your "freedom" is limited to what others decide what is best - for "them", not you.

Of course, manufacturers, corporations, are concerned with staying in business, making a profit, and like any living creature, have the desire to stay alive.
I have no problem with that of course, but it has obviously taken a course towards the wrong direction, not in the best interest of consumers.
Decades ago, manufacturers were honest, respectable, and had good reputations.
But since then, all that corporation merging, increasing greed, the economy and cost of living, has tainted those companies at the expense of our pocketbook and our fundamental freedoms.

I dare anyone to prove me wrong about this.

Well, I cast my vote on you being 100% correct here. This should be in a pinned thread.

And to add, there is the educational element to it. Two things few realize because they are either not taught it, or don't know what government education aims for:


1) Civics are no longer taught in school. People don't know their rights, people don't know the law, people don't know the intent behind the US constitution. It is the equivalent of the dark ages when it comes to human rights, understanding civic duties, and the maintenance of and participation within democracy.

2) Educators are being led to believe that children are afflicted with the cataclysmic crisis of "black and white thinking" And as such the hidden goal of moderation education is to instill "grey scale thinking" and "thinking in shades of grey" This is nothing more than a means to muddle and subvert truth under a good cause supported by a make believe problem. As such, when (or rather if) children and adults are latter taught the Constitution, they taught that the Constitution and Rights it protects are merely an antithetical framework. A rather dated partially obsolete general guide subject to broad interpretation rather than an absolute. Given that people have spent over 12 years in education believing the obfuscation or reality is the correct way of processing information they believe this without hesitation.

The end result you see today, where people literally believe the Constitution protects a system where all decisions are made for them and where they have no idea that they hold all the power to change that.

 

[johnb300m]

As I mentioned in my post #86, your "freedom" is limited to what others decide what is best - for "them", not you.

That has always been the case in our hyper-market-based economy where companies want to sell people crap for the most profit possible.
Our only choice is to part ways with our money, or not, for those said products. Whatever is offered.

I dare anyone to prove me wrong about this.

I would hope people know by now, it's impossible to refute peoples' hard coded opinions, especially when they're not data-based. And especially online.

Decades ago, manufacturers were honest, respectable, and had good reputations.

LMMMMAAAOOOOOOOO. No. They didn't.
Some did, and mostly when the companies were owned by a founder who cared about reputation.
But those are exceptions.

 

[johnb300m]

1) Civics are no longer taught in school. People don't know their rights, people don't know the law, people don't know the intent behind the US constitution. It is the equivalent of the dark ages when it comes to human rights, understanding civic duties, and the maintenance of and participation within democracy.

I'm lucky I was in school in the 90s, before most of the internet. But at this time, we WERE taught a form of civics. We went through a very extensive lesson period on US history, the Constitution, how it works etc etc.
The schools covered it.
Most kids didn't care.
Many schools, many districts are teaching the right things. But if you have kids who don't care about school (which is a lot), and have little to no support of education at home and from the parents (which is also a lot), the schools can do everything right (they don't of course, but they try), they can only do so much if the pupils are resistant.

The USA is just deeply anti-intellectual since our founding. That permeates our culture, home lives, kids' personalities etc.

One of my inlaws is on a local school board. She was one of those who used to be in the audience, denigrating the board members, trying to bend them to the parents' will.
Then she joined the board, and had to run the place. And oh boy did she have to turn about face. Now it was HER turn to run 4 elementary schools, with kids in them, full of professional educators, and a payroll, and laws, and a community surrounding them.
She got to finally experience unhinged parents screaming at her for schools to "unmask the children!" (when mask mandates ended two whole years prior lol)
She finally got to see, when in the driver seat, that parents should NOT be in charge of schools or education. They are looney tunes!
But it's a balance of parental support and input, while also leaving the necessary things to the professional educators.

That goes for anything.
There's a lot of members here who need to step away from the keyboards. Go get involved in their communities. Go try to run a school board, go try to run a library, go run for local office or HOA.
It will be an injection of new perspective that is hugely lacking.

 

[Chetlaham]

Didn't care or disenfranchised enough to not care? As you said "we WERE taught a form of civics" Emphasis on the word form. By this time the modicum was already winding down. Today it is at its worst.


You have to realize why education itself is essential, but fundamentally flawed in its application. Two issues that have been around for a while:

1) a one size fits all approach-

All kids mature at different rates. That is human nature. Girls in particular two years faster than boys. This will always result in kids who are over challenged, under-challenged, and optimal with everything in between when forced to learn with a one size fits all.


2) Reward and punishment based adherence-

Created by a not so nice man who openly opposed freedom and dignity. Aka B.F. Skinner. So much so Harvard is doing damage control "people do well if they can". The end result is that less mature kids are being severally punished for what they have no control over, kids of advanced maturity are being overly rewarded for what is super easy, and many of the rest are putting in tremendous effort to avoid heck in hopes the can climb their way to heaven. Physiologically few benefit from this type of system.


As a result soon or latter many come to realize the system is flawed developing a deep dislike for government education. Parents are trying to change that of course, but those in power are taught their way is the only way come to the conclusion that parents should be excluded from the decision making process. Which goes against democracy. Taking me to the core issue:

that parents should NOT be in charge of schools or education. They are looney tunes!

Educators who harbor these feelings, will also apply them to their work conduct and their teachings. Civics, rights and government included. Leading to sentiment like this:

There's a lot of members here who need to step away from the keyboards. Go get involved in their communities.

Yes there is the teacher's perspective, but there is also the child's perspective and the parent's perspective. You can not automatically dismiss someone who has first hand experience on one side because you haven't had it on the other side. And believe me, parents are getting involved in communities all the time trying to better their childrens' education.


Nothing takes place in a vacuum, and nothing is by accident.

 

[johnb300m]

Didn't care or disenfranchised enough to not care? As you said "we WERE taught a form of civics" Emphasis on the word form. By this time the modicum was already winding down. Today it is at its worst.


You have to realize why education itself is essential, but fundamentally flawed in its application. Two issues that have been around for a while:

1) a one size fits all approach-

All kids mature at different rates. That is human nature. Girls in particular two years faster than boys. This will always result in kids who are over challenged, under-challenged, and optimal with everything in between when forced to learn with a one size fits all.


2) Reward and punishment based adherence-

Created by a not so nice man who openly opposed freedom and dignity. Aka B.F. Skinner. So much so Harvard is doing damage control "people do well if they can". The end result is that less mature kids are being severally punished for what they have no control over, kids of advanced maturity are being overly rewarded for what is super easy, and many of the rest are putting in tremendous effort to avoid heck in hopes the can climb their way to heaven. Physiologically few benefit from this type of system.


As a result soon or latter many come to realize the system is flawed developing a deep dislike for government education. Parents are trying to change that of course, but those in power are taught their way is the only way come to the conclusion that parents should be excluded from the decision making process. Which goes against democracy. Taking me to the core issue:



Educators who harbor these feelings, will also apply them to their work conduct and their teachings. Civics, rights and government included. Leading to sentiment like this:



Yes there is the teacher's perspective, but there is also the child's perspective and the parent's perspective. You can not automatically dismiss someone who has first hand experience on one side because you haven't had it on the other side. And believe me, parents are getting involved in communities all the time trying to better their childrens' education.


Nothing takes place in a vacuum, and nothing is by accident.

As I said and of course you ignored, you need to run for a school board.
Then come back and report in 2yrs.

I've already run an HOA for several years with 240 townhouses, a huge pond, a $300K annual budget, and a $1M cash surplus. Re-roofed and re-sided all units before I left. With NO special assessments I might add.
It was both amazing and excruciatingly obnoxious and thankless. 95% of residents were amazing. And the other 5% would've loved to burn the neighborhood down.
The perspective and experience was invaluable.
I recommend everyone to go put shoes on similar to that.

 

[ea56]

Re: #98
John,
I just retired as the president of my HOA this past Monday after being on the BOD for the past 30 years, the last 15 years as president. Although our HOA is much smaller than yours, with only 20 units, I know just what your talking about. I’ve been through the residing of all the buildings, two reroofing projects, replacement of fencing, 3 pool resurfacing’s, 4 parking lot resurfacing’s, countless water leaks, you name it, I’ve dealt with it.

Throughout all of this 95% of the HOA members and residents have been very appreciative and a delight, but there’s always those malcontents that no matter what you do or say they can’t be pleased.

Last Monday evening at 6:20 pm when that last HOA meeting with me as president ended I felt like a tremendous weight had been finally lefted from my shoulders. The next day my blood pressure had already lowered by 10 points.

I learned a great deal while serving on the Board, and it was an honor to have been trusted by the owners and my neighbors for over 30 years, but enough is enough and I’m so glad that it’s finally over!

But for all those people that complain about HOA’s they should volunteer and take the responsibility on and they may have a VERY different perspective! It can be very rewarding at times and also a thankless job that is unpaid.

Eddie

 

[Chetlaham]

As I said and of course you ignored, you need to run for a school board.
Then come back and report in 2yrs.

I've already run an HOA for several years with 240 townhouses, a huge pond, a $300K annual budget, and a $1M cash surplus. Re-roofed and re-sided all units before I left. With NO special assessments I might add.
It was both amazing and excruciatingly obnoxious and thankless. 95% of residents were amazing. And the other 5% would've loved to burn the neighborhood down.
The perspective and experience was invaluable.
I recommend everyone to go put shoes on similar to that.

You've conveniently ignored the parents and the students.

Apples to oranges. Ie HOA vs School Board.

Trying being a student with for 12+ years in my shoes and then I will try you're school board experiment. Its only fair.

 

[pierreandreply4]

you should see schools where i live they eliminated one of the most important class that can teach the basic in term of sowing cooking home care better know as family econimic (economie familile in my language) that could teach basic skills to students of today

 

[johnb300m]

Re: #98
John,
I just retired as the president of my HOA this past Monday after being on the BOD for the past 30 years, the last 15 years as president. Although our HOA is much smaller than yours, with only 20 units, I know just what your talking about. I’ve been through the residing of all the buildings, two reroofing projects, replacement of fencing, 3 pool resurfacing’s, 4 parking lot resurfacing’s, countless water leaks, you name it, I’ve dealt with it.

Throughout all of this 95% of the HOA members and residents have been very appreciative and a delight, but there’s always those malcontents that no matter what you do or say they can’t be pleased.

Last Monday evening at 6:20 pm when that last HOA meeting with me as president ended I felt like a tremendous weight had been finally lefted from my shoulders. The next day my blood pressure had already lowered by 10 points.

I learned a great deal while serving on the Board, and it was an honor to have been trusted by the owners and my neighbors for over 30 years, but enough is enough and I’m so glad that it’s finally over!

But for all those people that complain about HOA’s they should volunteer and take the responsibility on and they may have a VERY different perspective! It can be very rewarding at times and also a thankless job that is unpaid.

Eddie

30 years!!!!! That's amazing. What a saint. LOL, I was done after 4. 1 yr as board member and 3 as president.
I was lucky to have lots of other good board members around me, especially the treasurer and secretary.
It was shocking how many boards do downright illegal stuff, when we'd go to HOA workshops.
And you probably remember this, but the best way to diffuse a PITA resident, especially when they'd walk up to me on the sidewalk, was to tell them "ohh, well our next meeting is XX/XX, come on by and please share your thoughts with the rest of the board!"
They never came by, and dropped their gripe for a while, 100% of the time I would say that, and would buy me about 90 more days free of their grief lol.

Trying being a student with for 12+ years in my shoes and then I will try you're school board experiment.

So because I don't know you, and literally cannot be a student in K-12 anymore, you won't run for your local school board or local office, to try and better impact things or see how they're run.
Yeah...that computes.

 

[Chetlaham]

If you so choose to ignore my K-12 experience. Which I am clearly using to better society. Like advocating that parents and students have a voice and pointing out what doesn't work.

Going back to Speed Queen and the rest of manufacturers. Consumer choice is no longer present.

 

[ea56]

For cryin out loud, there is really nothing special about attending school for 12 years, that’s the mandatory number of years in just about every school district in the nation and has been for over 100 years. BTW, K thru 12 equals 13 years of school, not 12.

Eddie

 

[johnb300m]

Consumer choice is no longer present.

Ugh, yes it is. You're such a troll.

Here's a list of brands anyone in the USA can buy laundry appliances from:

• LG
• Whirlpool
• Maytag
• Samsung
• GE (General Electric)
• Electrolux
• Speed Queen
• Magic Chef
• BLACK+DECKER
• Equator
• Summit Appliance
• Deco

You and customers (consumers is a gross term) can choose where to send your money to acquire one of these brands today.
That's a lot of choice.

 

[ea56]

Re:#102
John,
I’ve been told that I was the longest serving HOA board member in the history of the State of California . I worked for the County of Sonoma for 20 years and retired with a nice pension. I received diddly squat for 30 years of service on the HOA board. It was a tremendous responsibility that I ALWAYS took seriously! I firmly believed that EVERY member of the HOA was to be served equitably.

As you well know, being on a HOA BOD requires that you interview, hire and fire vendors. I learned a lot about so much during those 30 years. And BTW, before we moved to this condo we lived in another HOA that was only 2 years old when we moved there. There were 99 units and I served on that board for 7 years, during which we were involved in a construction defect litigation and that was hella stressfull!

Anyone that complains about their HOA needs to attend the meetings and volunteer to serve on the BOD. Then they will have an entirely different prespective.

I take pride in the fact that during my 30 years on the BOD here we seldom had more than 1 or 2 homeowners in attendance while most meetings there were no home owners in attendance, because our BOD addressed the concerns of the owners ASAP and they were happy campers.

In addition to all the other items needing attention in my prior post, we also have over 50 large trees that need annual trimming by an Arborist, and the board needs to review several bids for this service every year. Our complex is like a park, the trees make it a lovely place to live.

Eddie

 

[Chetlaham]

All of which are owned by a few major companies and subject to tariffs. All comply with energy requirements. Timer models can not be found anymore except for dryers. DA agitator models can't be found anymore. Variable water level can not be found anymore. Only one transmission model exists. Few offer a true hot fill.

If I want water, Speed, performance, no electronics, all at the same time it can not be found.

 

[DADoES]

What's holding you all back from establishing a company to produce a new brand/line of appliances designed as you wish them? It seems there should be enough angry and disgruntled consumers to support it.

 

[phillymatt53]

All of which are owned by a few major companies and subject to tariffs. All comply with energy requirements. Timer models can not be found anymore except for dryers. DA agitator models can't be found anymore. Variable water level can not be found anymore. Only one transmission model exists. Few offer a true hot fill.

If I want water, Speed, performance, no electronics, all at the same time it can not be found.

It CAN be found!.... in my basement laundry area!
I just did a large load of whites, bed sheets, towels, etc - the machine takes about 35 minutes - to me, that's speedy enough.

 

[qsd-dan]

Civics are no longer taught in school. People don't know their rights, people don't know the law, people don't know the intent behind the US constitution. It is the equivalent of the dark ages when it comes to human rights, understanding civic duties, and the maintenance of and participation within democracy.

That's by design.

The government has been directly violating the US Constitution for well over 100 years. Unfortunately, it really doesn't matter how well one is educated in this area, not much of anything will change it other than a massive uprising. That definitely won't be happening anytime soon although it's looooong overdue.

 

[Chetlaham]

What's holding you all back from establishing a company to produce a new brand/line of appliances designed as you wish them? It seems there should be enough angry and disgruntled consumers to support it.

1) Start up costs

2) Government regulations that would frown upon hot water, 30 gallons of water and 1500+ watt hours of electricity per cycle.

The smartest investment would be to buy the Direct Drive design and the Maytag Dependable care design from Whirlpool as they are both proven and then put them into production. However the initial cost to do all that would involve multi millions before any return on investment.

You need money to make money.