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Second rinsing questions

Hi John L,

This is off topic but several times I have seen your warnings that second rinsing in the SQ TL causes main tub seal failure.

Is this also true when there is a water softener?

Is there any work around for second rinsing without impacting the seal?

And is this an issue with the SQ FL as well?

Thanks,
Steve
 
Steve, good question, as a owner of a fairly new AWN432, IM curious about this also, although I only need a 2'nd rinse on the rare occasions I use chlorine bleach. Cheryl
 
Just add fabric softener..,

I have a SQ TL AWN542 going on 7 years. If you're concerned just go back to the washer the old fashioned way and add your fab soft to the final rinse or add another cup if you've already used the dispenser. That's what I do when I use the second rinse.
Mike
 
They claim it can do TWO king sized comforters?  That's crazy.  I wouldn't wash one, even that super sized machine.  It may roll with the drum, but it won't tumble and certainly won't do much more than get wet, if that.  These manufacturers are trying to outdo each other with words their product's actual performance can't back up.

 

I actually know several people with two king sized beds in the same (big) house.  Master bedroom, guest bedrooms, older kid's bedrooms, etc.   Hadn't thought about it, but I guess it's not all that uncommon.  
 
Sud Routine

This machine also has a SUDS routine that if detected, will add two additional rinses for a total of 7 maximum.

Malcolm
 
Congratulations on the the SQ fl and the wonderful kitty!

Maybe the other one needs some food and petting to feel included in the laundry ritual.

I think that the more you use it, the better you will like it. I do keep a TL handy for spinning something small and heavy that won't balance in a FL, but I still wash it in the FL to save water and detergent.
 
Update

Today for the first time I wore clothes washed in the SQ FL. They were every bit as clean as those done in the TL., actually I think cleaner, and there was no detergent scent lingering, so they were rinsed out too. I'll be using the FL much more than I thought. :-)

1 Tablespoon of Woolite is plenty, cleans well and does not oversuds. The only thing that did not work was Cheer; it caused an oversuds situation and nothing got clean because the excess suds interfered with wash action.
 
Hate to put you on the spot, but.......

.......we were wondering if the extra-clean clothes were the product of a stuffed tub, or one of the smaller (thump, thump, thump) loads, which aren't supposed to clean as well?
 
Not a problem

The load was 9 long sleeve mesh polo shirts. It filled the tub loosely about 3/4 of the way, maybe there were 3 or 4 inches or so at the top.

Might be worth mentioning there was no tangling at all. :-)

The capacity is smaller than the other brands, and basically the same as the SQ TL -- IMO. I suspect some would disagree with me, but JMO if you pack it too tightly or put in more than you would in the TL, then there will be objects in the middle of the tumbling mass that just go around and around in the center but do not fall, so IMO they would not be getting clean. It is the falling onto the base of the tub which forces water through an item much like slapping it on a stone at the river bank. Too much suds also interferes with that water action in a garment, and results in things just rolling around instead of slapping the tub. So I've started hypothesizing that people who complain about lack of cleaning in HE FLs might be overloading and/or using too much detergent, and I know for sure that when I got poor cleaning in coin-op FLs many years ago it was due to too much detergent in pre-HE detergent days -- as well as too much water. The old school FLs I have used filled with a lot more water, say 1/4 to 1/3 of the way up the window if I remember right, and items rolled around the base of the tub instead of slapping it. Another factor -- no doubt the new SQ washes a lot longer than older coin ops did.

The SQ seems to fill higher (always to the lip of the tub/base of the gasket) than the other modern brands, based upon photos people have posted. But the other brands seem to have more sophisticated tumbling alterations and patterns than the SQ to compensate for lower water levels.

I haven't experimented yet with the question of how small a load one can get away with. It's possible the other brands, some of which advertise the ability to wash and dry just one item overnight, probably have more sophisticated tumbling rhythms to balance smaller loads. Someone above described their Miele's balancing act, which is definitely more sophisticated.

This whole post was undoubtedly a huge bore to experienced FL users.
 
No tangling -- simply amazing

Last thing I have to report. Last night I washed a load of 8 dress shirts. Collars and cuffs came clean. Balancing spins was effortless and quick. Amazingly, there was no tangling of the sleeves and shirts. None! In fact there wasn't even one twisted up sleeve.

There's nothing else to report. This is a heavy, well made, quiet and smooth machine that does a great job. I am perfectly satisfied.
 
I typically wash 12-14 long sleeve oxford shirts with a couple pair of Khaki pants with no tangling in my SQFL washer. I also find that a table spoon of Tide is all that is needed.
 
Thanks .... and that's for sure

Thanks mr b, that's very good to know that it's not just me, and others have also found 1 tablespoon is plenty of detergent. I definitely would have put in a dozen shirts if I had had that many dirty at the time. I was kind of curious if a smaller load of 8 would be ok, and it was. I noticed that the Cheer which caused oversudsing was an old bottle without an HE logo. For colors, Woolite seems to work best of the ones I've tried. It causes less suds than Tide HE Turbo and rinses out easier. In recent years Woolite seems to have changed -- still protects colors but now also cleans very thoroughly, and gets clothes noticeably cleaner than Cheer. And it's no slacker at stain removal. At least to me, so it seems. Sometimes though, I wonder if my perceptions are more subjective than reality.. I think most people scoff at Woolite, and think it's a lot of extra money for a false claim of less fading. But it seems easier on colors to me, and I figure a few extra bucks for a bottle of detergent is nothing compared to what that load of clothes cost -- $200 to $500 bucks or more...

Yes GE, Newton Iowa Maytag has been put out of business by SQ at my house. The SQ TL and FL are the first washers of my life that get my clothes truly clean. I'm so excited. TMI, but until SQ, if I got sweaty in a shirt on a hot Summer day, I could never get the sweathog smell out. After washing, such a shirt would seem clean, but 5 minutes after putting it on, and before I got out the door, that sweathog smell would be right back, and off it would come. Close friends would say they could not smell it, but I could. I pulled a bunch of shirts like that, which hung unworn for years, out of the back of the closet and put them in the SQ FL, and now they're finally clean and odor free all day!

I find I'm using the SQ FL more than the SQ TL. The SQ TL is faster, though.
 

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