New Tide Treatments
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This product has “Attention Collectors!” written all over it. Spring for one of each version, seal in heavy duty Ziploc bags and hang on to them for a few years. I’m willing to bet the farm they’ll be discontinued faster than you can say “Keurig Cold.”
Have never understood products designed to tackle a single type of stain. Some new GE washers even have cycles designed for single stains. Don’t know about you, but my loads usually contain all sorts of stains—tomato, grease, red wine, mustard, Worcestershire sauce, coffee, tea, etc.
Have never understood products designed to tackle a single type of stain. Some new GE washers even have cycles designed for single stains. Don’t know about you, but my loads usually contain all sorts of stains—tomato, grease, red wine, mustard, Worcestershire sauce, coffee, tea, etc.
Well to be fair
Red wine, pet odors and mildew all are separate types of stains that *may* require specialized treatments for total removal.
IMHO much of this seems to be in reaction to Miele's UltraPhase line of detergents and oxygen bleach, but could be wrong.
In theory good washing techniques with proper detergent along with oxygen bleach should shift many of the stains Tide seems to be tackling. A profile wash that starts from cold and gradually rises to warm or hot improves things. Very hot or boiling water isn't really necessary as a good oxygen bleach will activate at 120F to 140F which is usually good enough.
P&G launches various new stain products often enough. It wasn't that long ago we had Tide "Stain Release" and "In Wash Stain Treatment" in various liquids, powders, then pods.
One thing to remember is P&G only has the one detergent with activated oxygen bleach, Tide. IIRC Gain may have some of the same punch, but Tide is still P&G's secret weapon.
We know liquid detergents cannot have oxygen bleach, so like Miele's ultraphase and everyone else the stuff must be added separately.
Historically red wine wasn't high on American domestic stain removal charts as it wasn't consumed so much. OTOH detergents in Europe, especially France, Italy, Spain and other places were people love their red wine a TOL or even MOL detergent needs to cope.
Henkel's Persil "Pro 10 Dimensions" or whatever it's called scores high marks for red wine removal. This even though it obviously does not contain oxygen bleach.
Red wine, pet odors and mildew all are separate types of stains that *may* require specialized treatments for total removal.
IMHO much of this seems to be in reaction to Miele's UltraPhase line of detergents and oxygen bleach, but could be wrong.
In theory good washing techniques with proper detergent along with oxygen bleach should shift many of the stains Tide seems to be tackling. A profile wash that starts from cold and gradually rises to warm or hot improves things. Very hot or boiling water isn't really necessary as a good oxygen bleach will activate at 120F to 140F which is usually good enough.
P&G launches various new stain products often enough. It wasn't that long ago we had Tide "Stain Release" and "In Wash Stain Treatment" in various liquids, powders, then pods.
One thing to remember is P&G only has the one detergent with activated oxygen bleach, Tide. IIRC Gain may have some of the same punch, but Tide is still P&G's secret weapon.
We know liquid detergents cannot have oxygen bleach, so like Miele's ultraphase and everyone else the stuff must be added separately.
Historically red wine wasn't high on American domestic stain removal charts as it wasn't consumed so much. OTOH detergents in Europe, especially France, Italy, Spain and other places were people love their red wine a TOL or even MOL detergent needs to cope.
Henkel's Persil "Pro 10 Dimensions" or whatever it's called scores high marks for red wine removal. This even though it obviously does not contain oxygen bleach.
I'm just gonna ask. What does one consider to be a good alternative to Tide with activated oxygen bleach? What standalone product is activated oxygen bleach. I doubt oxyclean is pure enough.
P&G Has Patents On NOBS Oxygen Bleach Activator
Locked down, and has ever since they came up with their bleaching system.
Thus other than Tide, and whatever other P&G laundry detergent also includes an activated oxygen bleaching system, that is it from American offerings.
OTOH Miele, Persil, and nearly every other European detergent (powder) or separate oxygen bleach (powder, solids, etc..., anything except liquids or gels), will have TAED based oxygen bleaching system usually.
Patents on TAED long ago expired (cannot recall who invented/had it first, might have been Henkel), and weren't renewed. Thus any and all can are free to develop activated oxygen bleaching systems using TAED. Have some Ecolab product that uses such a system even though it was sold in USA.
Have not tried Tide with Bleach in a while, but Persil or any other German/EU laundry detergent with a bleaching system seem to give overall better results. This especially in terms of sail removal, shirt collars and cuffs, that sort of thing.
Locked down, and has ever since they came up with their bleaching system.
Thus other than Tide, and whatever other P&G laundry detergent also includes an activated oxygen bleaching system, that is it from American offerings.
OTOH Miele, Persil, and nearly every other European detergent (powder) or separate oxygen bleach (powder, solids, etc..., anything except liquids or gels), will have TAED based oxygen bleaching system usually.
Patents on TAED long ago expired (cannot recall who invented/had it first, might have been Henkel), and weren't renewed. Thus any and all can are free to develop activated oxygen bleaching systems using TAED. Have some Ecolab product that uses such a system even though it was sold in USA.
Have not tried Tide with Bleach in a while, but Persil or any other German/EU laundry detergent with a bleaching system seem to give overall better results. This especially in terms of sail removal, shirt collars and cuffs, that sort of thing.
Liquid Tide HE Plus Stain Release was tweaked about 6-8 months ago and it works better in my decidedly non-HE Speed Queen top-loader than did the previous formulation. Rinses out well when I use the Normal Eco cycle (spray rinses), too. Haven't used Tide powders for ages, so can't speak to their efficacy.
At any rate, liquid Tide HE Plus Stain Release and Persil ProClean Power 2-in-1 are the detergents to beat here in the US. I've been so impressed with the reformulated Tide that I'll probably stop stocking Persil once the last jug in the laundry cupboard is empty.
My questions with the 'Tide Treatments' line is this: Since most loads contain tomato, wine, and cooking grease stains, which Treatment should I use? Again, it just makes no sense to me.
At any rate, liquid Tide HE Plus Stain Release and Persil ProClean Power 2-in-1 are the detergents to beat here in the US. I've been so impressed with the reformulated Tide that I'll probably stop stocking Persil once the last jug in the laundry cupboard is empty.
My questions with the 'Tide Treatments' line is this: Since most loads contain tomato, wine, and cooking grease stains, which Treatment should I use? Again, it just makes no sense to me.
arbilab
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P&G is like an aging rock band that has run out of hits. Or just trying to clutter shelves like they do with say, toothpaste. Or something.
From one purchase of Tide to the next, it's no longer the same product. Frankly, pisses me off. It doesn't 'work wonders' on ANYthing, just OK overall. If they'd only leave the scent alone instead of trying to make it into welfare cologne.
From one purchase of Tide to the next, it's no longer the same product. Frankly, pisses me off. It doesn't 'work wonders' on ANYthing, just OK overall. If they'd only leave the scent alone instead of trying to make it into welfare cologne.
Whatever happened to the days when each manufacture of laundry detergent offered just ONE formulation. And that one formulation cleaned EVERYTHING, (albeit, some products better than others),out of the dirty laundry being washed, removed the odors and left a pleasant scent on the finished load?
Now we are being told that not only do we need to buy an expensive detergent, but if we want to get the stains out (isn’t that what we already bought the GD detergent for in the first place?), we need a separate product to get out the stains. And odor removal is optional, and requires yet another additive, at additional COST, to assure that you finished laundry will also smell nice.
Proctor and Gamble and all the rest of the detergent manufactures don’t miss a trick. Next thing you know they’re going to also have “rinse aids” (in addition to liquid fab softener), just in case you also want the detergent to be rinsed out thoroughly.
Stop the madness! I recently bought a jug of plain old, original scent Gain, which I haven’t used for about 4 years and I’m very pleased. It seems to clean all the stains, especially oil based stains, rinses out thoroughly and the finished laundry smells very nice. I’m a happy camper, just have to add one product, (for whites I add a generous scoop of Oxi Clean too) press start and done.
Just my two cents worth.
Eddie
Now we are being told that not only do we need to buy an expensive detergent, but if we want to get the stains out (isn’t that what we already bought the GD detergent for in the first place?), we need a separate product to get out the stains. And odor removal is optional, and requires yet another additive, at additional COST, to assure that you finished laundry will also smell nice.
Proctor and Gamble and all the rest of the detergent manufactures don’t miss a trick. Next thing you know they’re going to also have “rinse aids” (in addition to liquid fab softener), just in case you also want the detergent to be rinsed out thoroughly.
Stop the madness! I recently bought a jug of plain old, original scent Gain, which I haven’t used for about 4 years and I’m very pleased. It seems to clean all the stains, especially oil based stains, rinses out thoroughly and the finished laundry smells very nice. I’m a happy camper, just have to add one product, (for whites I add a generous scoop of Oxi Clean too) press start and done.
Just my two cents worth.
Eddie
Could it be
Could this be a fake website? Cannot find it anywhere in Tide PG site.
Could this be a fake website? Cannot find it anywhere in Tide PG site.
I've just about finished a jug of Tide Heavy Duty 10X liquid and am getting ready to start on Persil ProClean + Stainfighter. I've been extremely pleased with the Tide. Have used a lot less Biz.
"And that one formulation cleaned EVERYTHING"
Except even at the TOL offering (Tide with Bleach powder) that rarely was true across the board.
Certain soils require bleaching (oxygen or chlorine), and the wholesale move away from powders to liquids (you cannot have oxygen bleach in a liquid detergent pre-mixed, well at least not one with enzymes), meant things had to change.
As who owns no small amount of vintage laundry products, and or has read or stored vast hordes of laundry care guides from decades ago, no one product did "everything" to a satisfactory degree on balance. You had to pre-teat or soak to get good results. That or result to any of the vast army of additives depending upon nature of soil/stain.
One major difference between then and now is previously American housewives and others doing laundry used vast amounts of chlorine bleach as a routine part of wash day.
Chlorine bleach can hide or cover a multitude of wash day sins. However over past several decades there has been a move away from purely white bed and bath linens, men's shirts and other items. That and modern fabrics are increasingly a blend of man made and natural fibers. Chlorine bleach attacks and weakens Lycra, spandex, nylon, etc...
Quite honestly today's chemical and enzyme laden liquid detergents are perhaps far closer to one product that will do everything than anything in past.
While their chemical content list makes the Doomsday Book look like the back of a raffle ticket, these TOL liquids by Tide, Ariel, Persil and a few others consistently deal with a vast and wide array of wash day problems. What is more they are often all one needs even to extent of not using oxygen bleach.
The later is behind all these products with "Oxi" in their names but do not have a trace of oxygen bleach. Rather their complicated enzyme and chemical cocktail powered make up is meant to reproduce results of using bleach.
Except even at the TOL offering (Tide with Bleach powder) that rarely was true across the board.
Certain soils require bleaching (oxygen or chlorine), and the wholesale move away from powders to liquids (you cannot have oxygen bleach in a liquid detergent pre-mixed, well at least not one with enzymes), meant things had to change.
As who owns no small amount of vintage laundry products, and or has read or stored vast hordes of laundry care guides from decades ago, no one product did "everything" to a satisfactory degree on balance. You had to pre-teat or soak to get good results. That or result to any of the vast army of additives depending upon nature of soil/stain.
One major difference between then and now is previously American housewives and others doing laundry used vast amounts of chlorine bleach as a routine part of wash day.
Chlorine bleach can hide or cover a multitude of wash day sins. However over past several decades there has been a move away from purely white bed and bath linens, men's shirts and other items. That and modern fabrics are increasingly a blend of man made and natural fibers. Chlorine bleach attacks and weakens Lycra, spandex, nylon, etc...
Quite honestly today's chemical and enzyme laden liquid detergents are perhaps far closer to one product that will do everything than anything in past.
While their chemical content list makes the Doomsday Book look like the back of a raffle ticket, these TOL liquids by Tide, Ariel, Persil and a few others consistently deal with a vast and wide array of wash day problems. What is more they are often all one needs even to extent of not using oxygen bleach.
The later is behind all these products with "Oxi" in their names but do not have a trace of oxygen bleach. Rather their complicated enzyme and chemical cocktail powered make up is meant to reproduce results of using bleach.
I am about 1/2 through a bottle of Persil Stainfighter and can say I've been really impressed with the cleaning. Really impressed at times.
I bought a small package of Persil Discs. Tasty looking lollipops, without the stick. They are really good performers; work jeans, grass and yard-work stains poof! gone.
There were two odd cardboard pieces in the box with the discs, stumped me for a while until I found a brief mention in a forum on the internet machine they were for putting in your dresser, etc. as a sachet. I didn't like the scent enough to do more than toss them in the trash, but they were interesting.
I bought a small package of Persil Discs. Tasty looking lollipops, without the stick. They are really good performers; work jeans, grass and yard-work stains poof! gone.
There were two odd cardboard pieces in the box with the discs, stumped me for a while until I found a brief mention in a forum on the internet machine they were for putting in your dresser, etc. as a sachet. I didn't like the scent enough to do more than toss them in the trash, but they were interesting.
Gansky1, Thank you for mentioning the Persil Discs.
I'm not a huge fan of whatever pods detergent and the first 3 times I used it I had some adaptation issues that are no corrected.
You're absolutely right. Persil Discs have an ABOVE EXCELLENT performance and you rarely need more than 1 "disc" for a full load.
I'm actually thinking about saying adiós to Tide powder for my whites.
I'm not a huge fan of whatever pods detergent and the first 3 times I used it I had some adaptation issues that are no corrected.
You're absolutely right. Persil Discs have an ABOVE EXCELLENT performance and you rarely need more than 1 "disc" for a full load.
I'm actually thinking about saying adiós to Tide powder for my whites.
jerrod6
Well-known member
I'm using Miele's W1 washer that mixes a 6 enzyme detergent with a strong Hydrogen Peroxide and I still keep my rotation of using Persil Stain fighter and German Persil Megaperls for whites, so I am not having any trouble with stains. I might try Persil Discs now that I've read they do a good job.
I think P&G is just trying to take up shelf space and of course, since it is new, P&G thinks people will try it at least once just to see what it's all about.
I think P&G is just trying to take up shelf space and of course, since it is new, P&G thinks people will try it at least once just to see what it's all about.
How much more shelf space can P&G grab?
In most shops/supermarkets P&G already dominates shelf space (Tide, Gain, Downy, Bounce). For each of those products there are several or more variants of scent, packaging, format, etc....
In most shops/supermarkets P&G already dominates shelf space (Tide, Gain, Downy, Bounce). For each of those products there are several or more variants of scent, packaging, format, etc....
laundry and dishwasher cleaner
As a sidenote, we see what Cascade did in roughly when they came out with dishwasher cleaner. Tide came out with washing machine cleaner too. We are not stupid. We know where this is going.
As a sidenote, we see what Cascade did in roughly when they came out with dishwasher cleaner. Tide came out with washing machine cleaner too. We are not stupid. We know where this is going.
