Newever machines designed to give better results when less water used?

[Chetlaham]

I just saw a Youtube of GE's new top load washer. I have to say, GE did something really sneaky on this one imho. The machine may have a DA agitator, but the machine still uses a wash plate intended to be used with low water levels while the agitation is such the same: meant for low water. As a result, when deep fill is selected there is next to no turn over and wash action is very anemic. A person would actually get better results on HE settings than deep fill settings in terms of clean ability. Seems like a deceptive way of conditioning people that better results are obtained through low water. Or is the machine just over loaded here?

 

[johnb300m]

I'm not entirely sure I see anything wrong here....
Seems to be operating normally.....with perhaps too MUCH water?
They new agipellers on these HE TL machines seem to do the same things and impeller TL machines, but roll over in the opposite direction.
I think that dual action agitator would do more if the load was larger.
Just like on the 'old' DD Whirlpools, the corkscrew did nothing unless it was a large or XL load.
The wash times on these HE TL machines are also longer, more in tune with HE FL washers, likely because of the slower rollover.

 

[Chetlaham]

It might be that, to much water, but I think to much water for an impeller might also be doing it. Keep in mind impellers do not have the fins normal agitators do, so it amounts to less action.

 

[ken]

I'm not up on the new washers. Are there any traditional center post top loaders made today, other than Speed Queen, that have "old school" agitation? [this post was last edited: 8/23/2016-14:01]

 

[DADoES]

 
Fisher & Paykel WashSmart model.

 

[magic_clean]

You may

notice the "options" control was not set to include an agitated deep rinse for the fabric softener. Hence, you can see the softener release into the load at the end of the final spin.

Ooops!

 

[ken]

I don't think having an impeller as opposed to an agitator is really the contributing factor in the poor turnover. I think it's the style of transmission drive. Our 2005 GE TL has an impeller like above but has the older style transmission that agitates back and forth. It really turns the clothes over.

 

[superocd]

Wow, that agitation *is* anemic! Doesn't seem any better or worse than the other HE top loaders though. I cannot wrap my mind around how things are expected to get clean, especially if it is a large or bulky load, even with the deep fill. The ones with agitator-style posts don't move all that effectively and the ones with only a wash plate obviously cannot "reach" the item(s) on top.

This washer sounds a whole lot like the Whirlpool VMW. Annoying as I'll get out. That's too bad because GE's Hydrowave didn't sound all that bad and was probably the quietest top loader I've heard (out of HE and non-HE). It washed pretty well too.

It seems like all of the new top loaders sound like cheap $10 food processors. I couldn't imagine how anyone could handle the noise. Granted, something like a Whirlpool DD wasn't exactly quiet but it wasn't annoying!

 

[brucelucenta]

Which is one of the biggest reasons I bought a new front loader. No wear or linting of your clothes from the agitation. In fact this washer eliminates any lint you might have from towels and such and everything comes out crystal clean with a minimum of water and smells wonderful. Everything is almost completely dry and takes much less dry time. It is also capable of much hotter washes and will heat the water when it is set to "steam treat". Both units hold a huge load of clothes and are capable of handling a king size feather comforter, something my old Maytag's were incapable of doing. So no more trips to the laundromat! I have been very happy with them and have never looked back. I can't imagine going back to a top loader of even the old style now. Front loaders really are the way to go now.

 

[sbond22]

Front loaders really are the way to go now.

For you obviously. For many others ...Apparently not.

 

[sbond22]

Some think 5 inch ear hairs are the way to go.

Many others don't. It's called personal preference.

 

[henene4]

Personal preference is one thing. You might not like FLs. That's ok.

Facts are something else. And fact is that by now, FLs are the most cost effective way to clean you clothes. They wash cleaner (see pretty much any professional reviewer) and are more efficent.
So, from a factual point of view, yes, they are the way to go.

 

[sarat]

Professional Reviews

Don't represent 'facts,' they represent opinions based on selective facts. I've owned both and factually speaking, MY laundry gets much cleaner, much quicker in a TL with an agitator.

Cost effectiveness is also subjective. While newer FL models may use less water and less electricity, replacing one every ten years dramatically impacts savings over the long haul, not to mention the volume of re-washing clothing that didn't get clean the first go-round.

Me, I personally use the most offensive water hog known to man,and to add insult to injury I use lavish amounts of phosphates.

Point being, while a TL may be the way to go for you, that alone doesn't make it a universal truth for everyone. It is about personal preference.

 

[brucelucenta]

LOL Well said! If I could have found a top load washer that would wash that dang king size comforter I would have considered it. But the new HE ones would never work for me and the Speed Queen simply would not hold something that big and bulky. I would have kept my Maytag set if they would have done the job.

 

[sbond22]

Size and efficiency

My AC doesn't cool well enough for me to own a king size comforter and my water and electric bills are a very insignificant part of my budget. I don't necessarily dislike FL's, I just don't "need" one and prefer the TL's I'm accustomed to.

 

[vacerator]

yes, preferance

It's not what I saw in the video, but what I heard. It sounds exaclty like a Whirlpool VMW. Old Westinghouse Laundromats used less water way back when.

 

[sarat]

Duvet Covers..

Can eliminate the need of having to wash large comforters (minus the infrequent coffee spill or Freddy's friendly dog pee I can wash a king size cotton quilt in my TL just fine, an oversized down comforter, or the ones stuffed with polyester fibers, not so much. But as a rule, comforters & quilts represent a very small percentage of my laundry. I've never given it any consideration when choosing a machine. Some folks may have a greater than average need, so again, it's a personal preference based on individual need.

 

[mark_wpduet]

I prefer FL washers

but one thing I've read over the years that I've never experienced was the comments like the person above made that clothes come out almost dry and dry time is reduced dramatically. My Duet spins at 1000 RPM, and to me, when I unload the washer and transfer to dryer, the clothes feel almost the same level of damp to me that they always did, even though I can tell the duet is spinning faster in it's final highest spin speed. I guess the faster spin speeds on some of the newer FL washers really do make a difference? I dunno, I've just never noticed much difference.

But watching this GE machine wash, I must say I've seen worse, there is rollover, but it's very slow. What bugged me was that rinse. UGH! What would have been better is if it had that spray rinse, followed by a fill all the way up rinse, then spin...but just that spray rinse and that was it?? That would drive me crazy.

 

[brucelucenta]

You might have just gotten used to it and don't remember the difference with an older top load washer. I have had many through the years. The Kenmore left the wash a lot wetter than most and the Frigidaire rapid dry 1000 spun them out almost as dry as my front loader does on high. My Frigidaire rapid dry 1000 set is the only one I ever had that the dryer would keep up with the washer load for load. With my front load washer, the dryer dries quicker than the washer washes.