Spotted this when browsing... isn't it a Zanussi similar to the ones Hotpoint imported and re-badged?
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Well spotted Simon
It certainly looks like a Zanussi, although whether its a basic as those Hotpoints remains to be confirmed. One wonders why Hoover needed these as heaven knows there was such a variety of models and variants you would think they had little need to buy them in. Mind you the same thing could have been those Hotpoints as well. I have seen other German Hoover machines (thanks Paul) which do not appear to have been of UK manufacture but these have had full front solid doors for building in.
Of course Hoover had a long association with Zanussi as most of their refrigeration products from the mid 1960s right through to mid 80s at least were built by Zanussi as of course the first series of Autojet and Superjet dishwashers
Al
It certainly looks like a Zanussi, although whether its a basic as those Hotpoints remains to be confirmed. One wonders why Hoover needed these as heaven knows there was such a variety of models and variants you would think they had little need to buy them in. Mind you the same thing could have been those Hotpoints as well. I have seen other German Hoover machines (thanks Paul) which do not appear to have been of UK manufacture but these have had full front solid doors for building in.
Of course Hoover had a long association with Zanussi as most of their refrigeration products from the mid 1960s right through to mid 80s at least were built by Zanussi as of course the first series of Autojet and Superjet dishwashers
Al
matchboxpaul
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Hi Simon and Al.
I reckon its pretty safe to say that this is yet another Zanussi S-series clone.
tall and deep facia, black inset kick strip, filter at bottom right, detachable entire front panel and a lid secured on the side and towards the front by two screws.
Compare with the 1826 liberator below.
Totally agree with you Al - why on earth, what with Hoovers then resources and model line up, did they feel the need to resort to cloning?
I reckon its pretty safe to say that this is yet another Zanussi S-series clone.
tall and deep facia, black inset kick strip, filter at bottom right, detachable entire front panel and a lid secured on the side and towards the front by two screws.
Compare with the 1826 liberator below.
Totally agree with you Al - why on earth, what with Hoovers then resources and model line up, did they feel the need to resort to cloning?
matchboxpaul
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Though I did, on first seeing it, whether it was a clone of the AEG PE. The doors do look very similar, but the lid on the PE appears deeper and the facia attaching is different.....
matchboxpaul
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Reason I mention is.....
...cause I think that the PE forms the basis of another Hoover offering to the German market, in the form of the Hoover Automatic 480 (picture taken from 'Daswaschmachinenforum').
Straight panel cabinet, with no inset kickstrip....
...cause I think that the PE forms the basis of another Hoover offering to the German market, in the form of the Hoover Automatic 480 (picture taken from 'Daswaschmachinenforum').
Straight panel cabinet, with no inset kickstrip....
AEG & Zanussi
Paul,
It may be that the Lavemat PE is a Zanussi as well, there are similarities in teh picture above. I recall well helping a friend make her first purchase of an automatic machine circa 1983 (replacing a Supertwin 3 incidentally) and her choice was a BOL AEG. It was, very clearly, a Zanussi although the facicia was colour coded to make it look like the rest of the AEG line.
Al
Paul,
It may be that the Lavemat PE is a Zanussi as well, there are similarities in teh picture above. I recall well helping a friend make her first purchase of an automatic machine circa 1983 (replacing a Supertwin 3 incidentally) and her choice was a BOL AEG. It was, very clearly, a Zanussi although the facicia was colour coded to make it look like the rest of the AEG line.
Al
Hi!
In the early 70ies,the cheap,basic line of AEG have been Zanussi machines,they mostly named"Lavalux"or"Lavarex"in Germany.They didn´t have many features and programms,were very basic but sturdy machines.AEG Machines made in Germany by AEG that time always have a stainless steel outer drum,the machines made by Zanussi were made from porcelain enamel.The Zanussi machines always open to the left side,original AEG machines to the right!Most of those AEG-Zanussi machines also were sold under the name "Hoover".Some EBD-Models were sold by"Hoover,too!EBD has been an old german company,that have made washers,spin dryers and ironers for a long time,mostly sold with different brand names and always in a cheap,poor quality!
Thomas.
In the early 70ies,the cheap,basic line of AEG have been Zanussi machines,they mostly named"Lavalux"or"Lavarex"in Germany.They didn´t have many features and programms,were very basic but sturdy machines.AEG Machines made in Germany by AEG that time always have a stainless steel outer drum,the machines made by Zanussi were made from porcelain enamel.The Zanussi machines always open to the left side,original AEG machines to the right!Most of those AEG-Zanussi machines also were sold under the name "Hoover".Some EBD-Models were sold by"Hoover,too!EBD has been an old german company,that have made washers,spin dryers and ironers for a long time,mostly sold with different brand names and always in a cheap,poor quality!
Thomas.
paulinroyton
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Hoover Machine
Hi Guys
Smart looking machine.
My Mum use to have an AEG, all I can remember is the soap dispenser was on the top, the spin was 720rpm. It would spin after 2nd and final rinse. And it had to device to slow the drum down when it had finished spinning.
It had a few basic programmes, I know it had 3 heaters, and would have really megga deep rinses, apart from the last rinse. I think on the front it had Lavamat. There was 2 buttons to the right hand side. I know one was for no spin, can,t remember what the other button was for.
Regards
Paul
Hi Guys
Smart looking machine.
My Mum use to have an AEG, all I can remember is the soap dispenser was on the top, the spin was 720rpm. It would spin after 2nd and final rinse. And it had to device to slow the drum down when it had finished spinning.
It had a few basic programmes, I know it had 3 heaters, and would have really megga deep rinses, apart from the last rinse. I think on the front it had Lavamat. There was 2 buttons to the right hand side. I know one was for no spin, can,t remember what the other button was for.
Regards
Paul
seamusuk
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Logistics maybe??
Hey Guys
As this appears to be (along with the 480) a very basic machine maybe it was cheaper for Hoover to have Zanussi/AEG produce then in Italy/Germany than it would have been to transport a basic machine from Merthyr???
Seamus
Hey Guys
As this appears to be (along with the 480) a very basic machine maybe it was cheaper for Hoover to have Zanussi/AEG produce then in Italy/Germany than it would have been to transport a basic machine from Merthyr???
Seamus
paulinroyton
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Bosch
Just like some Bosch machines today are produced in Poland, but using German parts.
Paul
Just like some Bosch machines today are produced in Poland, but using German parts.
Paul
keymatic3203
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enegry control 500rpm
Paul can supply the model number, but seeing this made me think that if there was a partnership as it were with zanussi, could they have supplied the induction motors used for the one off 500rpm spin model in the mid 80's, though this was definately a Hoover built round door machine, the insides were identical to any other front loader, bar the induction motor and the vee drive belt, just a thought.
Paul can supply the model number, but seeing this made me think that if there was a partnership as it were with zanussi, could they have supplied the induction motors used for the one off 500rpm spin model in the mid 80's, though this was definately a Hoover built round door machine, the insides were identical to any other front loader, bar the induction motor and the vee drive belt, just a thought.
matchboxpaul
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A3332!
Hiya Mathew.
Here be the Hoover A3332 'Energy Control' a.k.a 'Slow Spin 500' machine.
Dont imagine that there are many of these still about!
(please let one surface, please let one surface, please let one surface)...
Hiya Mathew.
Here be the Hoover A3332 'Energy Control' a.k.a 'Slow Spin 500' machine.
Dont imagine that there are many of these still about!
(please let one surface, please let one surface, please let one surface)...
keymatic3203
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or maybe there are
Paul,
whilst there may not be many around, it's possible that of those sold, if acompanied with an additional spin dryer, several may still be in action. My thoughts being slow spin so less tub and bearing wear and with the induction motor, there would have been no brushes or control board to cause problems, but I've no idea how many were sold. The one I knew of was down in shoreham in west sussex, and was bought in a small co-op departmant store, so it may have been one for the independants to put in the sale. I always thought it was a bit cheeky of Hoover not to put the spin speed on the facia, as if to dupe sales of a cheap machine with energy savings all over it to customers who thought they were getting a better machine than they were. The lady I knew of had had an original hoovermatic and bought it because it was hoover and was so dissapointed with the spin she went and bought a creda debonair lol.
Paul,
whilst there may not be many around, it's possible that of those sold, if acompanied with an additional spin dryer, several may still be in action. My thoughts being slow spin so less tub and bearing wear and with the induction motor, there would have been no brushes or control board to cause problems, but I've no idea how many were sold. The one I knew of was down in shoreham in west sussex, and was bought in a small co-op departmant store, so it may have been one for the independants to put in the sale. I always thought it was a bit cheeky of Hoover not to put the spin speed on the facia, as if to dupe sales of a cheap machine with energy savings all over it to customers who thought they were getting a better machine than they were. The lady I knew of had had an original hoovermatic and bought it because it was hoover and was so dissapointed with the spin she went and bought a creda debonair lol.
macboy91si
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I have to ask...
It says "Energy Control", but how is a low spin speed energy control when it would take "x" amount of time LONGER to dry the clothes? Drying uses far more electricity than washing the clothes. My idea of an energy saver would be something that spins them FASTER so they wouldn't have to be in the dryer longer. I may be missing a point here, but it doesn't make sense. It should just be the "Money Control" model as it sounds like another way to pitch a low-end machine. It is a very smart looking machine though, appearance wise I like it. I also agree that the lower spin speed should prolong the life of the machine. I could imagine someone going from a Hoover TT's spin to this would have been shocked...
-Tim
It says "Energy Control", but how is a low spin speed energy control when it would take "x" amount of time LONGER to dry the clothes? Drying uses far more electricity than washing the clothes. My idea of an energy saver would be something that spins them FASTER so they wouldn't have to be in the dryer longer. I may be missing a point here, but it doesn't make sense. It should just be the "Money Control" model as it sounds like another way to pitch a low-end machine. It is a very smart looking machine though, appearance wise I like it. I also agree that the lower spin speed should prolong the life of the machine. I could imagine someone going from a Hoover TT's spin to this would have been shocked...
-Tim
hoover1100
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"Energy Control"
Hi,
This range of machine were known as "Energy Control" because they have a button to reduce the wash temperature, i.e. you can do a 95c wash at 60c, 60 wash at 45c etc.
I daresay most people buying a buget machine like this at that time would not have owned a dryer, and I'd imagine many would have supplemented the slow spin with spin dryers. Tumble dryers aren't used here to the extent that Americans seem to use them, it's generally seen as better to line dry when possible. Most peope I know only use them in emergencies and when all the line drying space is used up or on rainy days. A lot of people in my area just don't have them at all. I only use mine when I need things in a rush, for towels, or when all the rack/line space is taken.
Matt
Hi,
This range of machine were known as "Energy Control" because they have a button to reduce the wash temperature, i.e. you can do a 95c wash at 60c, 60 wash at 45c etc.
I daresay most people buying a buget machine like this at that time would not have owned a dryer, and I'd imagine many would have supplemented the slow spin with spin dryers. Tumble dryers aren't used here to the extent that Americans seem to use them, it's generally seen as better to line dry when possible. Most peope I know only use them in emergencies and when all the line drying space is used up or on rainy days. A lot of people in my area just don't have them at all. I only use mine when I need things in a rush, for towels, or when all the rack/line space is taken.
Matt
macboy91si
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Energy Control
I didn't realize there were more things that made up the name. I figured that the 500 RPM spin was being touted as the method of energy savings. I also didn't realize that tumble dryers were still as scarce as you say there. I like line drying, but unless one has a house or an arrangement with a yard, it's difficult. Also I use twin tub washers (a Hoover and a Maytag) for a good deal of my laundry and with the faster spinners on them, it makes drying in a dryer a fairly quick affair.
One thing to remember here, is that most people don't "do" laundry here. People fill the machine, add a cup of whatever and pull the knob. Then into the dryer. I give many credit for even cleaning the lint filter. Hanging laundry is ablsotely unheard of unless you're and old woman in the country somewhere. I quite like my dryer, but I remember living in my apartment with no dryer and only my Hoover twinnie. I had 2 racks and I got along very well with that. People would come over and ask me why I just didn't lug the clothes down the street to the campus laundry. I asked them why they did, and then politely asked them for the $8 it would take per trip not including gas in the car if needed. To me it was very convenient to do the laundry in the house and hang the clothes. I'm not even sure that I would have had room in my 1st place for a portable dryer even. The only thing that made the Hoover so practical was it's worktop since I had only 14" of counter space in the whole kitchen.
Ahhh the good old days
-Tim
I didn't realize there were more things that made up the name. I figured that the 500 RPM spin was being touted as the method of energy savings. I also didn't realize that tumble dryers were still as scarce as you say there. I like line drying, but unless one has a house or an arrangement with a yard, it's difficult. Also I use twin tub washers (a Hoover and a Maytag) for a good deal of my laundry and with the faster spinners on them, it makes drying in a dryer a fairly quick affair.
One thing to remember here, is that most people don't "do" laundry here. People fill the machine, add a cup of whatever and pull the knob. Then into the dryer. I give many credit for even cleaning the lint filter. Hanging laundry is ablsotely unheard of unless you're and old woman in the country somewhere. I quite like my dryer, but I remember living in my apartment with no dryer and only my Hoover twinnie. I had 2 racks and I got along very well with that. People would come over and ask me why I just didn't lug the clothes down the street to the campus laundry. I asked them why they did, and then politely asked them for the $8 it would take per trip not including gas in the car if needed. To me it was very convenient to do the laundry in the house and hang the clothes. I'm not even sure that I would have had room in my 1st place for a portable dryer even. The only thing that made the Hoover so practical was it's worktop since I had only 14" of counter space in the whole kitchen.
Ahhh the good old days
-Tim
