OK... What do you call Tomato Sauce... "Sauce" or "Gravy" ???
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vacerator
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"just tomato"
would be ketchup? Some say catsup on the bottle. Tomato, tomoto.
Then there is puree, and paste.
Why criticize a question?
Enough of us found it questionable enough to reply after 970 days. It was rather fun.
would be ketchup? Some say catsup on the bottle. Tomato, tomoto.
Then there is puree, and paste.
Why criticize a question?
Enough of us found it questionable enough to reply after 970 days. It was rather fun.
mralex
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Vacerator - Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so.. Sorry not sorry.
Vacerator - Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so.. Sorry not sorry.
vacerator
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"sorry" Alex;
I wasn't intending to be critical of you. I like the Heinz "57" varieties too.
I think those great stores you have there carry several of them as well.
ASDA, Morrison's, Tesco, Waitrose, etc.
I can be a foodie snob I admit. I'm retired from the supermarket industry after 35 years.
I wasn't intending to be critical of you. I like the Heinz "57" varieties too.
I think those great stores you have there carry several of them as well.
ASDA, Morrison's, Tesco, Waitrose, etc.
I can be a foodie snob I admit. I'm retired from the supermarket industry after 35 years.
On spaghetti and meatballs: My mom, who hailed from Veroli, Italy, came to the US in 1946. She maintained that meatballs served with spaghetti was an American, not Italian creation---although she eventually served it often, as that's what Americans considered an Italian dish. She tended to serve the meatballs as a separate course. You'd have pasta with sauce served prior to the meatballs.
She also maintained that using a spoon to help spin spaghetti around a fork was for small children and the uncouth. That has been contested by others here, but it must have been the custom in the area she was from. I was weaned off the "guiding spoon" by about first grade. I have no problem with a spoon being used, but it drove her to distraction.
She was also a great believer in serving lasagna at every Sunday or holiday meal. Roast beef, mashed potatoes and gravy, lasagna. At Thanksgiving, turkey with all the trimmings...and lasagna. My sister used to joke that mom considered it a side dish.
Aside: My mother's real first name was Rosa Maria. My dad and customs officials convinced her to change it to the more American-sounding 'Rosina' when they arrived on these shores. Mom had her revenge when she named my sister. First name: Maria Teresa. Middle Name: Vanda Valentina. My sister had it legally changed to Maria T. (just the initial for a middle name) in her mid-20's.
She also maintained that using a spoon to help spin spaghetti around a fork was for small children and the uncouth. That has been contested by others here, but it must have been the custom in the area she was from. I was weaned off the "guiding spoon" by about first grade. I have no problem with a spoon being used, but it drove her to distraction.
She was also a great believer in serving lasagna at every Sunday or holiday meal. Roast beef, mashed potatoes and gravy, lasagna. At Thanksgiving, turkey with all the trimmings...and lasagna. My sister used to joke that mom considered it a side dish.
Aside: My mother's real first name was Rosa Maria. My dad and customs officials convinced her to change it to the more American-sounding 'Rosina' when they arrived on these shores. Mom had her revenge when she named my sister. First name: Maria Teresa. Middle Name: Vanda Valentina. My sister had it legally changed to Maria T. (just the initial for a middle name) in her mid-20's.
Eugene,
I love your story about you Mom serving Lasagna every Sunday and Holiday. Here in Northern California almost all the Italians families I know have this same tradition, but instead of Lasagna its Ravioli. No special Italian family dinner is considered complete unless there are Ravioli, or "Rav's" on the table. And if not Rav's, then it would be Gnooci, which is one of my most favorite things in the world, especially with good, fresh homemade Pesto.
And my family also felt the same way about using a spoon to help wrap the spaghetti around the fork, its just not supposed to be done.
I love the Italian culture and their food. I'm married to an Italian too.
Eddie
I love your story about you Mom serving Lasagna every Sunday and Holiday. Here in Northern California almost all the Italians families I know have this same tradition, but instead of Lasagna its Ravioli. No special Italian family dinner is considered complete unless there are Ravioli, or "Rav's" on the table. And if not Rav's, then it would be Gnooci, which is one of my most favorite things in the world, especially with good, fresh homemade Pesto.
And my family also felt the same way about using a spoon to help wrap the spaghetti around the fork, its just not supposed to be done.
I love the Italian culture and their food. I'm married to an Italian too.
Eddie
My family never did the spoon to twirl pasta either, you just spin the fork against the plate and it works just fine.
I remember the first time I saw people twirling their spaghetti using a spoon,.. it's like who does that. Or cutting their spaghetti with a knife... that's another one. LOL.
Or breaking the spaghetti before they cook it.
Petek and Louis: Both breaking spaghetti prior to cooking and cutting it into smaller strands at the table were major violations in my mom's opinion. I saw 'Pot-Sized' short spaghetti (HyVee brand) in the grocery store a few months ago and thought, "Mom would freak." LOL
She would twirl a single strand of spaghetti onto a kid-sized fork for me when I was too young to do it myself, but she'd never, ever cut it. In hindsight the full-length strand would probably be considered a choking hazard for tykes these days.
She would twirl a single strand of spaghetti onto a kid-sized fork for me when I was too young to do it myself, but she'd never, ever cut it. In hindsight the full-length strand would probably be considered a choking hazard for tykes these days.
I always break the spaghetti in half so that it fits in the pot....still tastes the same LOL
Gary
Gary
Re: Gary's post above.
Louis, please post the cat photo! LOL
Louis, please post the cat photo! LOL
Gary!
norgeway
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No matter what you call it
I LOVE it, any Italian dish is GOOD!
I LOVE it, any Italian dish is GOOD!
sudsmaster
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One useful suggestion I saw recently: don't rinse cooked spaghetti. This removes the thin layer of starch that otherwise helps the tomato sauce/gravy/condiment to adhere to the pasta.
norgeway
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The old cook books
Say to rinse, but I never knew anyone who did, I don't, but I do break spaghetti up in pieces....I know, its a no no, but its easier to eat without making a mess.
Say to rinse, but I never knew anyone who did, I don't, but I do break spaghetti up in pieces....I know, its a no no, but its easier to eat without making a mess.
I could post a whole bunch of cats here! lol
Italians don't rinse their pasta, they even add some starchy pasta water to make the binding between the pasta and the sauce. It's a must for recipes like a puttanesca.
But... People with diabetes can get away a bit more when eating pasta when the pasta is cooled off then reheated. Reheating is essential here. That method gives a smaller rise in blood glucose.
Italians don't rinse their pasta, they even add some starchy pasta water to make the binding between the pasta and the sauce. It's a must for recipes like a puttanesca.
But... People with diabetes can get away a bit more when eating pasta when the pasta is cooled off then reheated. Reheating is essential here. That method gives a smaller rise in blood glucose.
sudsmaster
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Pasta is naturally more diabetic friendly than, say, potatoes or refined wheat flour. The reason is that the starch in pasta is more slowly digested than the refined starch in flour, or in potatoes. This means a more gradual rise in blood glucose that diabetics may find easier to handle. I imagine the cooling and reheating of pasta somehow may make the starch even more slow to digest.
I wonder if there are any studies to document the effect?
I wonder if there are any studies to document the effect?
Spaghetti Sauce--Pasta Sauce, much like how Pancake Syrup should just be MAPLE Syrup, if it is to go on WAFFLES!
Never heard of tomato gravy, (or any kind of tomato sauce being referred to that way) but surely there must be a way to make it the way you would make regular brown gravy...
-- Dave
Never heard of tomato gravy, (or any kind of tomato sauce being referred to that way) but surely there must be a way to make it the way you would make regular brown gravy...
-- Dave
Italian born and raised
<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">My Grandparents were from Italy. My parents were born here. </span>
<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">Every Sunday was dinner with the family at my Grandparents house. Meatballs, Sausage, and Braciole was served separately from the Pasta with "Sauce". We never called it Gravy. Then they would clear the table, put out fruit and bowls of nuts that the "men" snacked on while waiting on desert which was usually something like Ricotta Cheese pie or something like that. Everything was home made including the Pasta. My Grandmother spent the entire day on Saturday cooking for all of us. I can remember playing with all my cousins after dinner while the "men" sat at the table with their pants unbuttoned LOL.</span>
<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">Such great memories. Do families do this anymore?</span>
<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">My Grandparents were from Italy. My parents were born here. </span>
<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">Every Sunday was dinner with the family at my Grandparents house. Meatballs, Sausage, and Braciole was served separately from the Pasta with "Sauce". We never called it Gravy. Then they would clear the table, put out fruit and bowls of nuts that the "men" snacked on while waiting on desert which was usually something like Ricotta Cheese pie or something like that. Everything was home made including the Pasta. My Grandmother spent the entire day on Saturday cooking for all of us. I can remember playing with all my cousins after dinner while the "men" sat at the table with their pants unbuttoned LOL.</span>
<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">Such great memories. Do families do this anymore?</span>
vacerator
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Yes, we do gather
on a weekly basis. Sometimes I/we cook. Our 7 month old grandson keeps us at home, so we have only taken him to a restaurant once so far.
Our son goes to his girlfriends Italian/Polosh grandmothers for Sunday dinner. Thats just the way it is. The guy goes to the spouses family most of the time.
On occasion, they both join us.
With everyone on different schedules, it's difficult to gather more than our immediate family often. My sister in law has tried to do it monthly at a restaurant. My nephew and his partner moved to Chicago last week. The rest of us are within one hour of each other. Still thats distance.
A brother in law has taken a job in Elizabethtown Ky, and is only home once a month. His adult son takes care of their house here. They bought a second smaller house there, as the job will be for 5 years, then they will retire. His wife goes back and forth on 2 week intervals as of now.
Thats life I guess.
An aunt in California passed away a few weeks ago, and they had the funeral service a week later because their kids are all over California and couldn't come on a moments notice.
on a weekly basis. Sometimes I/we cook. Our 7 month old grandson keeps us at home, so we have only taken him to a restaurant once so far.
Our son goes to his girlfriends Italian/Polosh grandmothers for Sunday dinner. Thats just the way it is. The guy goes to the spouses family most of the time.
On occasion, they both join us.
With everyone on different schedules, it's difficult to gather more than our immediate family often. My sister in law has tried to do it monthly at a restaurant. My nephew and his partner moved to Chicago last week. The rest of us are within one hour of each other. Still thats distance.
A brother in law has taken a job in Elizabethtown Ky, and is only home once a month. His adult son takes care of their house here. They bought a second smaller house there, as the job will be for 5 years, then they will retire. His wife goes back and forth on 2 week intervals as of now.
Thats life I guess.
An aunt in California passed away a few weeks ago, and they had the funeral service a week later because their kids are all over California and couldn't come on a moments notice.
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