old style miele machine

[foraloysius]

Theo

You're right, my mother's first washer, a Candy didn't have a detergent dispenser either and neither did my grandmother's Zanussi. What was the brand of your mother's first one?

 

[mielabor]

Louis,
My mother's first washing machine was a Bico. She had bought it from her sister who had won it in a lottery. My aunt didn't want a washing machine, she always boiled her wash and continued to do so for the rest of her life. The Bico was a low quality machine. It only lasted a few years and during that time I have replaced the timer motor once. The window in the door was made of plastic and turned opaque over time. Not all appliances were good quality in those days!

 

[foraloysius]

Theo,

You are so right, my mother's Candy was a nightmare too. She only had it one year. With my brother coming and a washer that needed a repair every other month she decided the Candy was not reliable enough to get her through all the dirty laundry.

 

[lederstiefel1]

my mother's first washer

...was a BAUKNECHT front-loader WA 565 - as far as I remember - with the switches for temperature and cycle at the rear top as well as the detergent compartment... (a real Bauknecht one was that, as nowadays it's only Whirlpool crab!) Bauknecht was well known in the 1950-1970 by the following slogan:
"Bauknecht weiß, was Frauen wünschen!"
[Bauknecht knows, what Ladies wish!]
It lasted a long, long time and had only two detergent compartments for pre-wash and main-wash at the top. I still remember very well the appearing of foam arround the lid of the detergent compartment during every boil-wash and my mother was always standing at the machine, putting salt on top of the suds-cake to make it collapse and disappear. At that time the machines were very often overgoing during boil-washes as the built-in suds-control in the powders wasn't as effective as it is nowadays.
It's capacity was 4,5 kg and made only some 500 rpm when spinning.
This machine was replaced by that bloody Philipps one I have already mentioned further above, which was then followed by the MATURA combo and this is meanwhile replaced by a PRIVILEG/Quelle one - not an outstanding machine, but does it's job quite well. I'd bought a MIELE instead - but my mother refused to do so...

Ralf

 

[mielabor]

My mothers second washer was a Bauknecht. (They used the same slogan in the Netherlands: "Bauknecht weet wat vrouwen wensen"). It lasted ca. 10 years and was followed by a Bosch that lasted for over 20 years. Since May 2007 she has a new Bosch again. The Bauknecht was rather unusual, at least in my experience. It had an inner and outer door like some Asko's today and no rubber sleeve between door and outer drum. Unlike the Asko's, the outer door didn't swing down but turned on the right side (if I remember correctly) like a normal door. The inner door was made of metal and the window was made of plastic and the window had to be replaced once because it had cracked. There was also a clutch mechanism for spinning. I have never seen such a construction in another front loader. The clutch mechanism had to be cleaned frequently as the pads on the friction shoes became oily and the machine wouldn't spin anymore.

Oh dear, oh dear, how far have we drifted away from the original subject. I hope that I will not be excommunicated for this

Still no bids on the Miele though. I do hope that it will get a good home. It deserves it for sure.

 

[lederstiefel1]

mielabor

Hi Theo!

Interesting how close the languages are, isn't it? It works perfectly in Dutch as well with the slogan!

Our Bauknecht had still glass-door with chrome frame. And it had a rubber bellow-seal between tub and cabinet which once broke and leaked - I remember now! - and had to be replaced.

AEG LAVAMAT had the combination with two doors and no rubber sealing in the sixties; my aunt had one.

Our machine did not have any clutch mechanism and worked perfectly for....well, must have been some 12 years or so..!

The bloody Philipps that followed lasted only a few years before it sat the whole kitchen under water.... But have to add that it was already ten years old when we got it from my grandparents, because they moved to an elderly home just when the Bauknecht broke (motor blew up!).

As I have mentioned above: the following FL-washer, a MATURA from Lepper & Co./Ahrweiler, sold by Quelle Warehouse Inc., lasted for more than 18 years and is now replaced by an other Quelle PRIVILEG machine which, I presume, will not last very long - it's all plastic!

Ralf

 

[lederstiefel1]

ooops...tooo fast I was...

Wanted to add somthing concerning the excommunication! Just had a short telephone call with the pope, he says, he's not going to excommunicate you for that reason - yet not enough dirty laundry done for that here, and too much spotless cleaniness here, too! LOLOLOL!!!!!!

With the MIELE you are right to say so - it really deserves a good home!!

Ralf

 

[mielabor]

For most Dutch people German is relatively easy to understand, although some words are totally different or they look the same, but have a different meaning. Personally I have difficulties with all those genders and cases in the German grammar for which there is no Dutch equivalent. That makes writing or speaking German much more difficult than understanding.

About plastic: I have the impression that even Miele is using more plastic parts in their new models. Are the cabinets still porcelain/vitreous enamel?

No excommunication? Ah, what a relief!

 

[lederstiefel1]

First, here is a link to an advert for a MIELE that seems to be the one our neighbour (landlady) had in our basement laundry room: there you can see all the other programmes on a household machine in comparison to the commercial one.

Yue are right, EVEN MIELE (what an affront!!!!) is using more plastic nowadays.... and I'm not sure about the enamel but the dishwasher of my mother (new) is still in enamel... so I hope that is still going strong...??!!

Well, concerning the German language....pooh...not because that I'm German, but I believe that German is my favourite language, followed by English, next is French and Italian than Portuguese, then Spanish. German is really such a beautiful and rich language - I swear on it! But I like English as much as German, too, and eventhough I once spoke much better French (nearly as good as German!) I've always loved English more! German is not as complicate as people say it is just complex, but English isn't less!

Dutch is actually the modern form of the old Middle-German. As you know, I guess, the Netherlands belonged or were a part of Germany until 1648 (was that the correct year?) after the 30-Years-War! You seperated from us and because of the modern High-German we speak nowadays, which was formed by Martin Luther and became more and more common in our region, the two languages drifted apart! But for us here near the Dutch border (Lower Rhine Area, Bergisches Land, Westphalia, etc.), if we speak dialect and I do quite well, Dutch is actually just another "nothern" dialect!

Ralf

 

[askomiele]

Don't forget our Dutch language witch is a mixture of German, French and English...

Yes miele is using slightly more plastic but tub and drum still in stainless steal. The outside is still enamel!!! And good too!!!

Thanks for placing one of my commercials here. This washing machine still impresses me. There where indeed more programs on the machine. This typs was available untill mid 70ties!!!
This is how the control panel looked like back then...

 

[foraloysius]

Hebban olla vogala nestas hagunnan hinase hic anda thu, wat

Actually Dutch is a rather old language, the sentence above is the oldest written one that was found. It's too simple to say that is a modern form of middle age German or a combination of French, German and English. The basis of the languages in this part of Europe is a West Germanic (not German) language. There are also the dialects that were spoken overhere and Latin that had it's influence on the Dutch language.

And the meaning of the first sentence? All birds are nestling, what are we waiting for?

 

[foraloysius]

Now back to washers, I won't push my luck!

Ralf, I haven't found an exact picture of the WA565, but did it look like the machines in this picture?

 

[foraloysius]

And Theo,

Did your mother's Bauknecht look like this?

 

[foraloysius]

Now I am posting pictures, I'd better post a picture of a Philips toploader as well. Just for memories sake, don't get nightmares Ralf! ;-)

An aunt of mine had this particular machine and although it never ran when I was able to look at it, I was totally fascinated by it. I loved the big dial and the row of pushbuttons and the glass lid was intriguing too.

 

[mielabor]

Ralf,
You are a lingual expert, knowing so many languages. However, I think that it is difficult to judge your native language against others. The native language will always be different from languages that you learn at a later age. This is why e.g. in the European Union translators always translate from another language into their native language and not vice versa.

About our history you are partially right. Yes, we gained independence in 1648, not from Germany but from Spain after an 80-year war. (see link)

Now about the commercial: how interesting, in those days TOL meant less choices: everything was already pre-programmed. Nowadays TOL means the opposite: the more knobs the better!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Revolt

 

[mielabor]

Askomiele,
I wouldn't say that Dutch is a mixture from German, English and French. German, English and Dutch have evolved from common origins, but those origins could neither be called German, English or Dutch. French is less related to German, English or Dutch, but more to Italian, Portuguese and Spanish.

And we are drifting further and further away...

http://www.ned.univie.ac.at/publicaties/taalgeschiedenis/en/

 

[mielabor]

It is getting busy here...

Louis,
I see that you commented on the history of the Dutch language while I was still preparing an answer!

Now back to laundryland: No that is not the Bauknecht washing machine that my mother had although it has some similarities. It is a pity that the outer door is closed. The machine in your picture looks older. My parents bought it in the beginning of the 1970's. The front was all white and there was only one program/timer knob to operate the machine. The detergent dispenser was located on top of the machine and had a white plastic lid. One thing looks familiar though: the button to open the outer door (red rectangular button above the upper left corner of the door). In the black round area of this knob you could insert a simple key or screwdriver to activate a child's lock.

 

[foraloysius]

Theo,

In those days Bauknecht produced a lot of models, I have a lot of pictures, but probably not the right one. Here's one that must come close, but the door opener isn't red.

 

[foraloysius]

Here's a picture of another picture of another Bauknecht from the seventies. This one has two controls, but it does have the red push button for the door.

 

[mielabor]

Louis,
I didn't know that there were that many models. First about the door opener button: I have thought about this and now I am not sure whether it was red as in the first picture or orange or grey. Now your second example (Programm '75) looks more familiar to me. I recognise the big alumium knob of the timer and the aluminium operating panel above the door, but to the left of the knob there is a round dial (?) that I do not remember and the outer door didn't open that way. The machine in the last picture has an outer door and detergent dispenser that are similar to that of my mother's machine, but the operating panel and knobs are different. If I had to make a choice I would choose model no. 2 (Programm '75) for having the most similarity with my mothers machine. That would also mean that the machine could have been bought around 1975 and that is somewhat later than I imagined.

 

[foraloysius]

Theo,

The brochure is from 1975, but it's possible that this particular model was sold earlier.

 

[lederstiefel1]

ohh my gooosh

Where to start?????
Wasn't here because my mother in law had died and we had to go to the funeral...
But ok will start...
The language!
Well it's actually true that the languages drift apart furtehr and further...although e are coming to gether in Europe closer and closer!
The story with Spain I know also but thought that the Netherlands were during the middle-ages a part of the First German Realm, wasn't it? This old sentence you wrote here is quite understandable if you read it twice or thrice!
Concerneing the Belgium Dutch: I do not understand enough Dutch to see the dfferences, for me both seem to be the same....although they aren't, I know! Thanks for the links - very interesting!
Concerning the pic of the control-panel: that's it!!!
The Bauknecht machines: It must have bee one of the left ones (first or second row from front) as far as I remember!
And Luis, that is exactly the bloody Philips I was talking about!!!
Did I forget somebody??
Ralf