AZREOspecialist
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Why on Earth would I want to increase the scent in my laundry? Do we all really want to get cancer this badly?
P&G releasing two new products
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After the demise of Dash and Oxidol, I was never a P&G fan. I stick to the #2 Lever-now-Sun products.
On the chemistry side, I would imagine that Tide 4x is so strong that they had to put it in pods to prevent chemical burns and corrosion law suits!
On the chemistry side, I would imagine that Tide 4x is so strong that they had to put it in pods to prevent chemical burns and corrosion law suits!
We AW.orgers are a 'different' crowd?
I am thinking that we on AW.org are very much not the norm in the world of laundry products consumers. Though we have differing opinions on how to wash things, most all of us at least have some good knowledge on how to wash things. That's a lot better than most I think....
Most of the washing community out there doesn't enjoy doing laundry, and they're interested in anything that makes the job simpler or less of a burden. I myself am stunned at times at how little thought most people put into this, and how mis-informed or just purely ignorant some are.
For me, the Tide pods seem interesting, but I want to be able to cut back on my use a little for smaller loads, OR add some extra when I need a little more cleaning boost, vs. adding 100% more in the form of another pod.
What REALLY bothers me though is all these stupid scents they have already, and now they are adding three more!! This applies to Tide, Gain, All, and a host of others, but to a lesser degree. Maybe P&G thinks or knows that if they add new scents, people will be more likely to try it vs. using an existing scent in the pods. There once was just Tide, Tide w/bleach, and unscented Tide. Later they added Mountain Spring. Now they have Clean Breeze, they have had four (at least) different scents of Tidw w/ Febreze, they had the Simple Pleasures line, and have Tide with Downy, the Total Care line, and the recently defunct Pure Essentials duo. That's crazy! Many of these scents just stink. P&G could save a lot of money in not distributing 15 versions in 4 or more sizes.
I am starting to rant, so I'll stop now...
Gordon
I am thinking that we on AW.org are very much not the norm in the world of laundry products consumers. Though we have differing opinions on how to wash things, most all of us at least have some good knowledge on how to wash things. That's a lot better than most I think....
Most of the washing community out there doesn't enjoy doing laundry, and they're interested in anything that makes the job simpler or less of a burden. I myself am stunned at times at how little thought most people put into this, and how mis-informed or just purely ignorant some are.
For me, the Tide pods seem interesting, but I want to be able to cut back on my use a little for smaller loads, OR add some extra when I need a little more cleaning boost, vs. adding 100% more in the form of another pod.
What REALLY bothers me though is all these stupid scents they have already, and now they are adding three more!! This applies to Tide, Gain, All, and a host of others, but to a lesser degree. Maybe P&G thinks or knows that if they add new scents, people will be more likely to try it vs. using an existing scent in the pods. There once was just Tide, Tide w/bleach, and unscented Tide. Later they added Mountain Spring. Now they have Clean Breeze, they have had four (at least) different scents of Tidw w/ Febreze, they had the Simple Pleasures line, and have Tide with Downy, the Total Care line, and the recently defunct Pure Essentials duo. That's crazy! Many of these scents just stink. P&G could save a lot of money in not distributing 15 versions in 4 or more sizes.
I am starting to rant, so I'll stop now...
Gordon
joe_in_philly
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Thanks for posting about these new products, John.
I am a recent purex crystals convert, but probably won't be inclined to use the Downey Unstopables. I don't use the crystals for the scent, but for the softening. I like items a little soft, with a barely noticeable scent. A little bit of crystals in the wash gives me that.
I think fixed dosing tabs make more sense with a dishwasher than a washing machine. While I usually run a full load in the dishwasher, the load size of laundry varies considerably, as well as the soil level. I would be more inclined to use tabs if they were sized for 2 per load, so I could use one if I had a smaller or less soiled load. But because I can't help myself, I am sure I will try them when they come out!
I am a recent purex crystals convert, but probably won't be inclined to use the Downey Unstopables. I don't use the crystals for the scent, but for the softening. I like items a little soft, with a barely noticeable scent. A little bit of crystals in the wash gives me that.
I think fixed dosing tabs make more sense with a dishwasher than a washing machine. While I usually run a full load in the dishwasher, the load size of laundry varies considerably, as well as the soil level. I would be more inclined to use tabs if they were sized for 2 per load, so I could use one if I had a smaller or less soiled load. But because I can't help myself, I am sure I will try them when they come out!
dirtybuck
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Supersuds:
On a hunt for a gas cap earlier today, I went to two Walmarts and wandered down the laundry aisle with curiosity on my mind. I also noticed the Tide Stain Release in powder form had disappeared from the shelf.
I wonder what the deal is and WHY?
On a hunt for a gas cap earlier today, I went to two Walmarts and wandered down the laundry aisle with curiosity on my mind. I also noticed the Tide Stain Release in powder form had disappeared from the shelf.
I wonder what the deal is and WHY?
jerrod6
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It's a shame
Scent. Is this what it's about? P&G is not stupid.
I used Purex crystals on a load of towels 2 months ago and the scent is still in them. About now the scent is something I don't really mind. Soft...Um I don't know.
P&G is marketing this stuff as a new scent experience that lasts up to 12 weeks. YUCK... Yeah it smells fresh and clean but is it really? P&G scents smell artificial and fake. What does a water Lilly smell like? What does clean smell like? Oh sorry it smells like when my mother did laundry with P&G products....except she didn't
Notice they don't market their softeners as providing soft because nowadays most of them do that. Instead they talk of a scent experience. I don't want a nasty in your face P&G scent experience. I'll pass.
Scent. Is this what it's about? P&G is not stupid.
I used Purex crystals on a load of towels 2 months ago and the scent is still in them. About now the scent is something I don't really mind. Soft...Um I don't know.
P&G is marketing this stuff as a new scent experience that lasts up to 12 weeks. YUCK... Yeah it smells fresh and clean but is it really? P&G scents smell artificial and fake. What does a water Lilly smell like? What does clean smell like? Oh sorry it smells like when my mother did laundry with P&G products....except she didn't
Notice they don't market their softeners as providing soft because nowadays most of them do that. Instead they talk of a scent experience. I don't want a nasty in your face P&G scent experience. I'll pass.
surgilator_68
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Replacing Tide?
I too would like to know what you replace Tide with. I've tried almost every powder and liquid out there and nothing removes the grease, oil and icky crap from my work clothes as well as Tide in one wash without pretreating.
Don't forget I see what happens to these machines and the clothing every day from the various brands. I have yet to see one that works as well as Tide. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of P&G. I make it a point to not buy those products if I can help it.If I could find something that works as well as Tide I would switch. But not until my new 180 load box is gone.
I even stopped using Downy after they changed the flavor. April Fresh is supposed to be April Fresh. Not some over powering knock you on your ass olfactory overload floral crap. Now I don't use any softener.
I too would like to know what you replace Tide with. I've tried almost every powder and liquid out there and nothing removes the grease, oil and icky crap from my work clothes as well as Tide in one wash without pretreating.
Don't forget I see what happens to these machines and the clothing every day from the various brands. I have yet to see one that works as well as Tide. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of P&G. I make it a point to not buy those products if I can help it.If I could find something that works as well as Tide I would switch. But not until my new 180 load box is gone.
I even stopped using Downy after they changed the flavor. April Fresh is supposed to be April Fresh. Not some over powering knock you on your ass olfactory overload floral crap. Now I don't use any softener.
retromania
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Detergent Bliss
I'm still madly in love my Sears detergent. It will be a long time before my eye wanders to another detergent!!!
I'm still madly in love my Sears detergent. It will be a long time before my eye wanders to another detergent!!!
retromania
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Me either!!
I don't use fabric softener either and I use only unscented laundry detergent. People come up to me at work and tell me I smell good. I give them a big smile and tell them it's all me!!!!! LOL
I don't use fabric softener either and I use only unscented laundry detergent. People come up to me at work and tell me I smell good. I give them a big smile and tell them it's all me!!!!! LOL
angus
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And my favorite rant - they continue to introduce "new" products and innumerable scents that mostly are ridiculously offensive but refuse to offer the one option that would make us (well most of us) happy. Tide, Cheer/Gain, etc... in the original 60's/70's scents.
I think it's sad that we as a public have reached the point where we must have the most overpowering artificial scents that lay like a pall in the air. I have noticed in the past few years that riding the train to NYC every day that I can smell the detergent or fabric softener on everyone sitting around me. Where does this stop??????
I think it's sad that we as a public have reached the point where we must have the most overpowering artificial scents that lay like a pall in the air. I have noticed in the past few years that riding the train to NYC every day that I can smell the detergent or fabric softener on everyone sitting around me. Where does this stop??????
I have said it before; the fragrances are now tailored to appeal to those who have arrived here from lands to the south of the USA. They are often the domestic workers who are doing the laundry. If they like the smell they will use more of the product and when they have the opportunity, they will purchase it for their own use and they are the fastest growing segment of the population. This is not a racist statement. Our preferences in product fragrances have been thrown overboard. There is nothing in this country's culture or background that would expose us to these strong tropical floral fragrances nor anything that would cause us to want to wear garments that emerge from the laundering process reeking of these strong fragrances. In the past, finished laundry that carried the heavy smell of the washing product was considered to be not properly rinsed. Often the last of the fragrance came out during ironing. I remember the jokes in high school when some girl would wear Jungle Gardenia perfume to school because it was a very potent fragrance and invariably too much was applied. In our culture, clean meant little or no smell or a fleeting faint ghost of a fragrance that vanished upon exosure to air. The big exception to this was, especially in the South, the fragrance of pine oil. It was believed to be a disinfectant when used in cleaning, even though it was not, but it did impart a clean smell to anything cleaned with it. Diapers were soaked in it and household surfaces were cleaned with it. Does anyone remember Texize cleaner with pine oil? Pleasant fragrances on people were not heavy although I understand that adolescent males douse themselves with the various AXE fragrances and not even the brand sounds subtle so maybe our whole culture is changing to one that prefers heavy fragrances. Fragrances usually smell sweeter than body odor so if that is what they are covering up, whether with laundry detergents or perfume, that is a plus, except when the fragrances cause an asthma attack or bring tears to the eyes.
I actually know a few people working in the fragrance industry and one of the major changes that happened in Europe at least for perfumes and household products was a shift towards more citrus / pine / herbal light type scents as opposed to heavy floral ones.
The major reason for this was a reduction in smoking.
If you think about it, your grandma's favourite perfume's quite likely to be some really toxic combination of very heavy scents that would nearly suffocate you and can be smelt from about 300 meters and lingers in the room after she's left. Scents like that were very popular right into the 1980s as they had to overcome smokey environments in bars and other entertainment venues and people also had much less sensitive noses as they were usually smoked out.
Smoking died out, so scents changed a lot.
The major reason for this was a reduction in smoking.
If you think about it, your grandma's favourite perfume's quite likely to be some really toxic combination of very heavy scents that would nearly suffocate you and can be smelt from about 300 meters and lingers in the room after she's left. Scents like that were very popular right into the 1980s as they had to overcome smokey environments in bars and other entertainment venues and people also had much less sensitive noses as they were usually smoked out.
Smoking died out, so scents changed a lot.
That is not what is happening here. Even effing dishwasher detergents have acquired heavy floral scents that will permeate plastic drink bottles to ruin the flavor of anything you put in them. Some stores do not even stock DW detergents that have no added fragrance. I only buy the Fresh scent which is fairly odorless. It is getting to the point of using heavy stink to cover up worse stink, a type of olfactory warfare so that even if the clothes, for example, are not clean, you can't readily smell the soil or if your body is not clean, the BO is masked (partially and temporarily).
It is not the well-to-do who have come to the United States to work. It is the poor. In their culture, as in most, the wealthy could afford perfume to mask odors. The poor could not. So the poor long for the fragrances they associate with wealth, even if it is in the stuff they use to clean floors and wash clothes. The strong floral scents may remind them of their native lands and families. I can understand scented hand dishwashing detergents, but why the need for strong scent in machine dishwasher detergent? I think anyone working with products appreciates working with one that smells good to them. That is why we long for the fragrances of cleaning products of long ago, but the marketing forces are not interested in what appeals to us.
It is not the well-to-do who have come to the United States to work. It is the poor. In their culture, as in most, the wealthy could afford perfume to mask odors. The poor could not. So the poor long for the fragrances they associate with wealth, even if it is in the stuff they use to clean floors and wash clothes. The strong floral scents may remind them of their native lands and families. I can understand scented hand dishwashing detergents, but why the need for strong scent in machine dishwasher detergent? I think anyone working with products appreciates working with one that smells good to them. That is why we long for the fragrances of cleaning products of long ago, but the marketing forces are not interested in what appeals to us.
I don't understand the compulsion to add fragrances to anything and everything these days. When did "clean" become synonymous with stinking like cheap cologne? Air "freshener" products have to be among the worst offenders, and seem to be marketed as though they are an acceptable alternative to actually washing or cleaning anything. Don't take out the garbage before it stinks up the house, just use scented trash bags to "trap" the odor. Use a "plug in" to hide the fact that the kitty litter box needs to be emptied. If your teenager's bedroom smells like something died in there, heaven forbid the room should actually get cleaned, just "Febreeze" it. And since it's impossible to open the windows to let in some fresh air, use motion detecting dispensers to squirt "virtual" freshness into your house.
Has anyone considered the health consequences of longterm exposure to all these chemicals? I had a run in with the automatic air freshener in the restroom at work once that landed me in urgent care. I walked through the mist it had just sprayed into the air and got a dose of it in my eyes. It BURNED LIKE HELL and someone had to take me to get my eyes irrigated..............NOT a pleasant experience! It took a couple days before my vision was back to normal, and even a week later my eyes were still extremely sensitive. When I was able to go back to work I took a spare container of the air freshener from the janitor closet to my desk and looked up the ingredients online. There was one known carcinogen, and several chemicals that were linked to liver or kidney failure, nerve damage, or birth defects.
Has anyone considered the health consequences of longterm exposure to all these chemicals? I had a run in with the automatic air freshener in the restroom at work once that landed me in urgent care. I walked through the mist it had just sprayed into the air and got a dose of it in my eyes. It BURNED LIKE HELL and someone had to take me to get my eyes irrigated..............NOT a pleasant experience! It took a couple days before my vision was back to normal, and even a week later my eyes were still extremely sensitive. When I was able to go back to work I took a spare container of the air freshener from the janitor closet to my desk and looked up the ingredients online. There was one known carcinogen, and several chemicals that were linked to liver or kidney failure, nerve damage, or birth defects.
You shouldn't need air freshener in your house at all. If you want to use something to create a scent, try essential oils or something like that. Otherwise, if your house is clean and properly ventilated you should not need to artificially mask odours as there simply shouldn't be any to begin with.
We have over-scented detergent products here too. P&G's Ariel went through a phase of being unbearable and you can chose Bold (P&G) or Surf (Unilever) if you want your clothes to wreak of something. There's also a large range of fabric softener options most of which are pretty heavily scented.
However, the two biggest selling products are the least stinky : Unilever Persil and Comfort Pure.
There's a big focus on hypoallergenic stuff here too.
I lived in the the US for a bit, and I remember noticing that a lot of homes were really over scented with Bounce-like fragrances. People here do it too, but I think perhaps a little less than you guys do.
Also, what's the point in using some really over-fragranced product if it's going to clash with your own choice of perfumes / colognes etc.
In general, I prefer mild and fresh scents that smell like 'clean laundry', which to my nose, is a very subtle fragrance. I don't want my clothes to smell of something else.
We have over-scented detergent products here too. P&G's Ariel went through a phase of being unbearable and you can chose Bold (P&G) or Surf (Unilever) if you want your clothes to wreak of something. There's also a large range of fabric softener options most of which are pretty heavily scented.
However, the two biggest selling products are the least stinky : Unilever Persil and Comfort Pure.
There's a big focus on hypoallergenic stuff here too.
I lived in the the US for a bit, and I remember noticing that a lot of homes were really over scented with Bounce-like fragrances. People here do it too, but I think perhaps a little less than you guys do.
Also, what's the point in using some really over-fragranced product if it's going to clash with your own choice of perfumes / colognes etc.
In general, I prefer mild and fresh scents that smell like 'clean laundry', which to my nose, is a very subtle fragrance. I don't want my clothes to smell of something else.
Laundry Fragrances and or Scent
No, heavy scented laundry products are not confined to countries south of the United States border.
All over Europe, especially in France one can find detergents and fabric softeners with enough perfume to send one running for an open window, even when outdoors. Indeed even products sold for baby's wash are heavily perfumed. In fact last time one looked "unscented" laundry products are hard to find,so much so know Americans living on that side of the pond who fetch back unscented products on their visits back to the States.
P&G, Unilever and the rest all have done extensive R&D regarding their products and it seems by large numbers consumers all over their broad global reach prefer not only laundry products with strong perfumes, but want the scent to last days after the wash is dried, folded and put away.
To be fair there is a long tradition in France and elsewhere of using various plants, herbs or perfumes stored with linens and or garments to give them scent. Lavender, amber, musk, roses, violets, and many others were all used .
Historically yes, the use of heavy perfumes was to cover-up the fact one had not bathed, and while one would think in these modern times the need would have lessened; but as they say in the film "Moonstruck" "I guess these ain't modern times ......".
Have several bottles of laundry detergent from France, and am here to tell you from Ariel on down all have a whiff that lasts days after laundry day is over.
No, heavy scented laundry products are not confined to countries south of the United States border.
All over Europe, especially in France one can find detergents and fabric softeners with enough perfume to send one running for an open window, even when outdoors. Indeed even products sold for baby's wash are heavily perfumed. In fact last time one looked "unscented" laundry products are hard to find,so much so know Americans living on that side of the pond who fetch back unscented products on their visits back to the States.
P&G, Unilever and the rest all have done extensive R&D regarding their products and it seems by large numbers consumers all over their broad global reach prefer not only laundry products with strong perfumes, but want the scent to last days after the wash is dried, folded and put away.
To be fair there is a long tradition in France and elsewhere of using various plants, herbs or perfumes stored with linens and or garments to give them scent. Lavender, amber, musk, roses, violets, and many others were all used .
Historically yes, the use of heavy perfumes was to cover-up the fact one had not bathed, and while one would think in these modern times the need would have lessened; but as they say in the film "Moonstruck" "I guess these ain't modern times ......".
Have several bottles of laundry detergent from France, and am here to tell you from Ariel on down all have a whiff that lasts days after laundry day is over.
dirtybuck
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Tom:
I remember Texize products and even watching some of their commercials on TV when I was only 3 years old.
Do you remember their cartoon and iconic "wide-eyed" maid that appeared on these commercials and the label of their products?
I remember Texize products and even watching some of their commercials on TV when I was only 3 years old.
Do you remember their cartoon and iconic "wide-eyed" maid that appeared on these commercials and the label of their products?
retromania
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Texize!
Can anyone tell me when Texize products were last seen in stores? It's not in any stores around here anymore!
Can anyone tell me when Texize products were last seen in stores? It's not in any stores around here anymore!
Don't they still market Glass Plus? I make my own from ammonia, hand dishwashing detergent and rubbing alcohol. The recipe was in Consumer Reports in the 70s, I think. Then the next time they tested glass cleaners, the home brew was either not mentioned or not rated highly. Peculiar. I think I have seen some Texize products at Home Depot. Pray and wash, I remember in the aerosol cans, but that disappeared decades ago here, replaced by the ineffectual on grease liquid in a trigger sprayer. The aerosol we find now is by SHOUT. Texize also came out with that Stain Stick pretreater that was replaced by the little container of gel with the red plastic bristles. The only thing Texize I remember us buying long ago was the knock off on StaPuf called Texize Laundry Fluff (funny how that is the European or British term for lint). It was pink, but did not smell as good as StaPuf. We used it for my baby sister's clothes before we got a dryer.
Bill, sorry, I don't remember the TV commercials.
Bill, sorry, I don't remember the TV commercials.
dirtybuck
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I saw Glass Plus at Big Lots yesterday. Down towards the bottom of the label, it stated that Reckett-Benckiser is now the "new" producer and manufacturer.
