Persil S&M UK /Ireland - Loving it!

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MrX

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Using Persil Small and Mighty Colour and Bio for the last while and I have to say that I am extremely impressed so far.

It smells great, not flowery and not chemically it's a very nice smell.
Clothes are coming out spotless. The major plus point for me is that the clothes are coming out *much* softer than they do with either Ariel or Persil powder or previous Persil Liquigels.
(I do use Comfort Pure too, but even with that the other powders produce rather "stiff" results if you're not tumble drying)

Fantastic product! I will definitely keep using it.
 
Me too, from being a staunch Ariel user I have changed to Persil small and mighty. Love the smell and it lingers for days. As you say, the wash is spotless and as a low temp user it gets a huge thumbs up from me.
 
I've never been a fan of liquids before, but this product has converted me over.

Also, the bottle's small and is fully recyclable in my green bin.
 
Me too - been using Persil Colour S&M and it's really fantastic, I've finally ditched Ariel liquitabs! Tried Surf S&M too, with fantastic results also.
 
I've used the Colour S&M with nice results on your normal everyday laundry. As with any liquid though I don't think it seems to perform as well as powdered varieties. The difference is even truer with the biological stuff - have used the bio small & mighty on whites and I didn't get as good results as I would normally with a good biological powder...

But for an everyday detergent for normally soiled clothes, it seems to be a good product :-). Only thing I really don't like is that it is quite messy... you always get a dribble of liquid down the side of the bottle.

Jon
 
Am using Persil non-bio Aloe Vera S&M, after Mr Jon (above) bullied me into buying some ;-) LOL

Have to say I'm not really that impressed with it at all. It gets extremly sudsy in my Hoover, and is a nightmare to rinseout quite similar to the previous liquigels! However there are plus sides!!

It has a beautiful scent that lasts forever, and is great if your tight on space....

I have to add also I love the Surf S&M, I much prefer it to the Persil S&M, it has an even nicer scent and cleans far bvetter, and is lower sudsing in my Hoover. I have 3 bottles of Surf Sunsine S&M in my utility waiting to tackle my endless mountains of laundry!

Dan
 
Dan, your utility sounds like ours... except we have 3 bottles (I think) of Persil Colour small & mighty which mum bought from the supermarket on offer... not my choice but that's what you get for letting parents get detergent whilst leaving you at home LOL :-)

Jon
 
Can someone compare and contrast the ingredients in Persil SM and Surf SM?

Wisk SM: Cleaning agents (anionic and nonionic surfactants, enzymes), water softener (sodium citrate), stablizer, buffering agent, perfume, polymer, brightening agent, and colorants.

ALL SM: Cleaning agents (anionic and nonionic surfactants), stablizer, buffering agent, perfume, brightening agent, and colorants.
 
Funny how "all" doesn't have enzymes in it whilst "Wisk" does. And yet "all" isn't marketed as a non-bio/sensitive detergent.

I've never understood the difference between UK and US detergents - especially the sensitive detergents, in the UK sensitive means no enzymes (non-biological), but it still has dyes and perfume, wherease in the US sensitive means no dyes or perfume but it still has enzymes (biological)!

It has always made me think that the whole non-bio thing is just a bit of a marketing ploy and just another way to sell more detergent, i.e. to target Mum's and make them feel like they MUST use a non-bio on kid's clothes as biological detergents are somehow bad for their skin. I know a few people who now buy non-bio detergents, (who don't have sensitive skin), as they think that anything else is bad for your skin and non-bio is more "caring" to skin.

Surely it's only the UK that has this funny obsession with non-bio detergent?
 
Yeah, it does seem that way. I suspect the early versions of Ariel or Persil Bio may have been a little harsher on skin or something, particularly when used with old machines like Twintubs.

Persil S&M as per on the bottle:

Colour:

15-20% Anionic surfactants, Non-ionic surfactants.
5-15% Soap
<5% Enzymes, Perfume, Phosphonates, Butylphnely Methylpropional, Citronellol, Geraniol.

Normal Bio version:

15-20% Anionic surfactants, Non-ionic surfactants.
5-15% Soap
<5% Enzymes, Perfume, Phosphonates, Optical Brighteners, Butylphenly Methylpropional, Citronellol, Geraniol.

The full ingredients lists above reveal a lot more about the chemical workings of the product.
 
Went to Wilkinsons on the way home from work today and they have Surf S&M on special at £1.89 and the Persil and £2.79. The Surf is especially good value so I thought that given the good feedback I have read on here, I would give it a whirl and if I like it, I will go back and get several!
 
Just used the bio small and mighty on a load of towels, and have had abysmal rinsing results! Not had a problem rinsing with the colour version though...

Anybody else noticed the same?

Jon
 
I've noticed this too Jon, it seems to rinse out very well with normal laundry but tends to be a bit difficult on towels which i thought was odd LOL! I agree with you i think the bio S&M is very good on normal,everyday washing but I wasnt very impressed when i used it on whites! Though its a very good eco friendly creation i think :D:D

Richard
 
It doesn't appear to contain bleach - just optical brighteners, so you'd possibly be better using Persil bio powder or something similar on very grimey whites.

Or, add a scoop of a oxygen bleach based wash booster.
 
spoodle - bleach and enzymes in liquids

You won't find bleach in UK liquid detergents - my brother in law works for Unilever, and he explained the science to me in detail - apparently a storage issue - hard to stop the bleach separating from the detergent it seems.

The bio/non-bio thing dates back to, as one might only expect, market forces in the late 70s and early 80s. Until the 80s, Persil was a non-bio powder (when there was only one variant), with Ariel being the bio option (the latter of course a Proctor and Gamble product). These were of course high suds powders that, along with OMO, Surf (lever), Tide and Daz (P&G), were popular with twintub users - Persil Automatic (again non-bio) and Bold (P&G) dominated the more limited front-loader market at the time.

In the 80s as front loaders began to supersede twintubs, most of the former twintub powders were launched in automatic form - so Surf Automatic, Ariel Automatic (Bio) and Daz Automatic were launched - OMO and Tide disappeared from the UK market. Lever realised that they were losing market cover to Ariel Automatic, and introduced 'New-System' Persil Automatic - a bio lower temperature powder - this was launched concurrently with the Hotpoint New Generation L.E. range - the first range designed to operate at lower temperatures. This was a success and help Lever regain dominance in the market.

Later in the 80s Lever introduced some trial brands - some people might remember Radion (appeared in about 1989 and was very short-lived - supposedly good at de-odorising), and Wisk liquid (as a trial for market acceptance of liquids - P&G had launched Ariel liquid). Lever had one big flop with Persil Power - launched as a rival to Ariel Ultra - the first super-compact powders. Persil Power was designed as an occasional use powder, but wasn't adopted as such and disappeared quickly following allegations that it caused colour loss and even fabric decay! It was quietly dropped...

The late 90s saw the marketing people coming in with an attempt to diversify the market - Persil Non-Bio was pushed as the 'traditional' powder (capitalising on a small but significant number of reported allergies to certain powders), Persil Bio (or any of its other names), with Colour (Bleach free) and other variants appearing in traditional powder, liquid and compact powder form. P&G followed suit with various versions of Ariel - notable that P&G kept the Fairy brand alive as a 'gentle' powder, whereas Lever rely on Persil non-bio. Surf was repositioned as a fragranced powder (competing with Bold), but at economy price to match Daz - Surf is marketed as OMO and ALL in various parts of the world. Persil is a Lever brand only in the British Isles and a few other areas - the German firm Henkel actually on the name, and market their own product as Persil in most of Europe.

Most US detergents tend not to include bleach (hence liquid bleach is a popular additive), whereas most UK powders (not liquids of course) include bleach - except colour powder. Additives are now popular - with Vanish being particularly popular - you may recall a large push on 'safe' bleaches over here a few years ago - ACE and the like (awfully cheesy add for ACE...), but one-scoop-in-the-wash powders seem more popular.
 
and we get sucked in...

I just looked at the detergent collection beside the washer - we currently have the following in stock:

Persil Handwash (which I love - US readers - get a friend touring the UK to bring some back for your agitator top-loaders while you can - amazing scent!)
Persil non-bio powder
Persil colour Liquid
Ariel colour
Surf Small and Mighty (two flavours...)
Vanish Liquid Bleach
Vanish oxy-clean powder...

and that is without getting into the fabric conditioner debate (Sainsbury's Blue Linen is my favourite - great for line dried whites!)

Back in the 70s my mum used one box a week of "Square Deal" Surf for all her laundry - progress eh?
 
Omo isn't Surf

Omo is UK/Ireland Persil. It's not Surf, it's smells very similar to Unilever Persil and is usually positioned as a premium detergent, not a budget one like Surf.

Unilever also own the Persil™ in France and New Zealand.

In France, Persil™ appears to be marketed as a more natural brand with various all natural ingredients.
Unilever's main detergent brand in France is Skip™ which is identically branded and bottled to UK/Ireland Persil. Including Skip petit et puissant (Small and Mighty)

In NZ Persil is the same as Australian OMO
 
liberator1509 - thanks for that detailed info! Persil non-bio's "the original non-bio" tag line makes a lot more sense now! I always thought it was a new-ish (early 80s) invention!

It would seem that the non-bio "craze" stems directly from Persil and P&G etc. just copied their idea.

I still don't get the difference between US & UK sensitive detergents. If enzymes are the cause of allergic and sensitive skin reactions, etc, then why are they included in US sensitive detergents?

I vaguely remember Tide being available in the UK, but had no idea that we also had Wisk liquid too. I wonder why Unilever didn't just launch liquids with Persil from the outset?
 
OMO is Surf .... sometimes!

mrx - in France OMO is Surf too - note the near identical packaging to Surf Small & Mighty.

In June or July UK Surf will be re-launched with "essential oils" added to it as they have with OMO in France - huiles essentielles!

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I strongly suspect Persil and Surf are in fact the same product line .. just add a different scent.

It's all about branding, and very little to do with ingredients.
 
Yes, it is not easy possible to add "bleach", by which we mean
hydrogen peroxide to liquid laundry detergents. The solutions tend not to be stable for long term storage/shelf life, an or a host of other problems. IIRC on this side of the pond what one sees are liquid detergents with "bleach alternatives",which as one has often explained before means nothing more than heavy doses of optical brightening agents, and or stronger soil suspension agents. These make white and colourfast laundry appear whiter and brighter giving the effect of bleaches, supposedly.

If one wishes to continue using liquid detergents for the soft hand they give to laundry, but wants the stain removal power of oxygen type bleaches without resorting to the packaged powders (which are usually mixtures of sodium perborate or percarbonate and washing soda, and other additives), simply use liquid hydrogen peroxide sold at chemists. One half cup per wash load should work fine, but one can add more if needed. All oxygen bleaches break down into hydrogen peroxide when they come in contact with water, that is what does the bleaching. Perborate and percarbonate oxygen bleaches are simply hydrogen peroxide in powdered form,if you like.

There are many versions of liquid oxygen bleach on the market, some are pure peroxide, others contain additives such as surfactants, enzymes and the lot. Most all are around the same 5%-10% strength as the chemist variety. Commercial laundries have access to food grade hydrogen peroxide which can be 35% or higher, but that is VERY serious and dangerous stuff. It cannot be shipped without hazzard precautions and even then it requires lots of paperwork. Many shippers want nothing to do with it as it is explosive.

By the way, that hydrogen peroxide one finds at the chemists works a treat for pre-treating stains such as blood, wine and other tannin based stains. Simply pour on, wait a minute then launder. DO NOT ALLOW HYDROGEN PEROXIDE TO DRY ON TO LAUNDRY! It will eat away at most textiles and you'll be left with nice holes.

L.
 
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