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Thanks for posting that Laundress. Being from Detroit I always have a soft spot for pictures of a time gone by. My family has a long history in the Detroit area, having come over from Canada illegally in 1890 when the Detroit river was frozen. My great grandparents settled 'downriver" in River Rouge, simply known as "the rouge" and worked at all the various mills and car plants, including the Ford plant. My grand father was the Fire Chief in Ecorse for many many years. That picture of the shoppers waiting for the street car could have been my grandmother and mom as they loved going downtown to shop at Hudsons. It still amazes me how little some parts of that town has changed. You can go a block or two (if you dare) off of Fort street and still see the mansions and old buildings, sadly, most are falling apart or burned out.
 
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Great photos of a once great city...it's a shame what has happened to Detroit. When I attended Wayne State University, I enjoyed the Detroit Institute of Arts and Detroit Library. My parents often said how beautiful Highland Park was - it was the upscale city to live in , once. By the time I was in college in the late 60's, Highland Park was a place you wanted to avoid. Thanks for posting. Here's a couple my friend sent me, coincidentally tonight too (seems like Detroit is the subject today)- broke my heart to see a Detroit Library Branch..but the photos you posted are great reminders....

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I have lots of fond memories of BobLo Island as a kid. It was disheartening to hear that it closed down. From what I read it's gone condo now or something. The island is actually in Canada and there were Boblo ferries from Detroit and Windsor packed all summer. The old Hudsons store was fun too, gigantic store must have been 15 floors or more of elevators and escalators to play on and they had the best toyland at Christmas.
There's really not much left downtown anymore other than office towers and casinos.Pretty much all the stores have gone.

Back then I94 didn't go as far as Port Huron and Gratiot Rd was the 2 lane highway. It becomes Gratiot Ave when it gets to the northern burbs into downtown. I took a drive along it this past summer from Marysville for old times sake I guess. It's still pretty country 2 lanes mostly until you hit 23 mi road and the endless shopping centers begin
 
A couple of nights ago PBS Detroit was running a pledge drive showing all the old Detroit TV shows from the 50's and early 60's.. All the ones I grew up with since they were the only stations we got. Johnny Ginger, Sagebrush Shorty, Soupy Sales, Poopdeck Paul, Jungle-la with Bwana Don and his chimp Bongo Bailey and maybe my favorite Milkys Party Time.
 
Laundress, thanks for the cool link. We lived in Fenton and my Dad worked in Flint at Chevrolet for many years. Both of these cities were thriving pleasant communities. It is a sad thing to see when Major employers pick up and leave a community.
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I lived in Trenton, MI from 1982-1991. My mother worked in the city, but we rarely went there. I always wanted to go see places, but was ignored. I did manage to go to a few movies at the Fox, shortly after the renovation.

The problem with Detroit is the same problem with nearly every midwestern city. The cities were built for manufacturing and to support the workers doing so. The manufacturing is gone, so the workers are gone also.

I can point to the same type pictures for St. Louis. It's sad and pisses me off every time I leave the house.
 
Always good to hear what Detroit is like from people viewing from the interwebs.

Auto manufacturing is still alive and well... in Southeastern Michigan. It left Detroit decades ago when corrupt government officials couldn't even provide basic services. The difference between city and even NEIGHBORING suburbs is incredible. You can literally throw a rock from scary areas of burned-out homes into beautiful suburban neighborhoods. Most manufacturing is in Warren, Sterling Heights, Auburn Hills and other suburbs.

Here's how bright the city elders were/are... If you live in Detroit proper, you pay a 3% income tax (in addition to property taxes) and receive horrible services. What a great way to encourage working people to leave (regardless of the bogus race arguments). In the burbs, you pay nothing. This left the city with residents who either didn't have jobs, or didn't have legal jobs. Then the schools went to hell as kids were bussed across town from decent neighborhoods to ghetto education prisons. More families left, leaving fewer stable neighborhoods. In 2001, the state supreme court ruled that cities (Detroit) could no longer force employees (cops/firemen) to live within the city. That cleared out the last few patches of decent neighborhoods, (often called "copper canyons") just in time for a new corrupt mayor.

Of course the income tax isn't the only way Detroit committed suicide, but it's an example. The '67 riots put the move out of the city into high gear. Detroit is almost all private homes, few apartments. That means that even as a "city" it's very spread out and that's the real reason public transport doesn't work... No conspiracies needed. It also makes it hard to do any large scale redevelopment because there is usually one occupied house on any given burned out block.

True, Chrysler and GM have a few modern factories within the city proper, (Ford never was in the city) but almost none of the workers live in the city. No one wants any part of it, except for a few hipsters in downtown lofts. Detroit's government officials were by then nothing more than race-pimps who thought they could convince "their people" to stay in the city by calling them "traitors" for leaving. By 2010, they'd left too leaving behind almost no one who is a productive member of society.

Now there is a bankruptcy which will have the very unfortunate side effect of ruining the retirements of people (mostly cops/firemen) who served the city in the darkest days of the 70s-90s. The only upside is that the city politicians are now powerless, and the state will effectively run the city for several years going forward.
 
Dave,

GM's Hamtramck Plant (Hamtramck is a city entirely surrounded by Detroit, as is Highland Park) is what I had in mind when I mentioned them as having some Detroit operations along with Chrysler. The GM Hamtramck plant was built on the grounds of Chrysler's old Dodge Main factory (and a few Hamtramck neighborhoods) in 1981. It began producing GM's downsized 80s Cadillacs that were never very popular, but eventually moved onto the better received Seville/STS platforms. It now builds the Volt hybrid, and some overflow production of the Malibu I believe.

The 94-year-old GM/Chevrolet axle plant in Hamtramck was sold to a new company called American Axle. The owner Richard "dick" Dauch bought the plant in 1994, and made quite a fortune, allowing him to build a new plant in Michigan, then Mexico. The Hamtramck workers took a roughly 40% pay cut in 2008, then Dauch demanded cuts from $18 to $11 per hour. That was the end, and the plant closed. It's scheduled to be demolished. Dauch is dead now, and most people like it that way.

Chrysler left Highland Park as its engineering headquarters beginning in 1991 and completed the move to Auburn Hills (30 miles north on I-75) by 1994. One of the reasons was that the surrounding HP neighborhood was so unsafe it was becoming impossible to recruit engineering talent. This was the same reason Chrysler's Jeep/Truck engineering left Detroit around 2007.

One of the things that always astounds me as both a student & participant in Detroit & Automotive history (as well as an elected suburban politician!) is that as much as you might expect Detroit (and Hamtramck/Highland Park) city government to kiss the asses of its MAJOR automotive tax payers; it's almost the exact opposite. These big manufacturing/engineering centers are hugely capital intensive, so moves aren't done lightly. As a local government, you have to screw-up for a very long time, in very bad ways to convince them to move... It's not like leaving your 1000 sq. foot bungalow.

The remaining auto plants are like mini cities within the city, with their own powerhouses, water treatment plants, security, etc. On three shifts they might employ 5,000 people who make (and spend) a great deal of money. Rather than marshalling resources around them... Police presence, code enforcement, new development, etc. the leaders of the city of Detroit (one Mayor, from '74-'94) instead pursued get-rich-quick schemes for casinos and mass-transit boondoggles downtown and along the riverfront throughout the 80s and 2000s. I suppose new development in these areas offered the best opportunities for graft; as opposed to simply protecting what already existed.

I work at a very small facility which is "technically" within the city of Detroit, but is literally a few hundred feet from a suburban border. We moved our operations from another Detroit facility. Our former plant was completely rebuilt at a cost of several hundred million dollars, and re-purposed into an engine plant. GM & Chrysler have moved many things from Detroit, but they have also re-invested many times over. When we moved in 1996, our surrounding neighborhood was one of the aforementioned "copper canyons" of Detroit police/fire/DPW workers. As a result, the neighborhood was still quite attractive, safe and readily mortgagable. Since I didn't need the schools as a single man back then, it would have been reasonable for me to even consider buying a 1950s-brick home nearby, but a 3% additional income tax for then-marginal city services was not encouraging.

When city workers were allowed to reside elsewhere in 2001, changes in the neighborhood which had been slow, began to accelerate like someone added gasoline to a fire (pardon the pun). Suddenly you began to see stolen cars dumped on the streets. At first they would be towed away within a day. Then they began to sit for weeks. Eventually they'd sit until they were set on fire for "fun" by the newest residents in the neighborhoods. Services went from marginal to non-existent. Trash used to be seen only on the day before pick up. Now it was "socially acceptable" to throw your old couch out in front a week before pickup. When Detroit cut its large item trash collection from weekly to monthly (to save $$), couches and other garbage began to sit on lawns for a month. Many of the newest homeowners came from government housing projects and had no experience with strange ideas like cutting the grass or fixing a downed piece of siding. With so much overgrown grass and garbage (and rats under the piles) people stopped using sidewalks and walked en mass in the streets; defying cars to go around them. Laws about business signage we ignored. First it was mild violations like covering the windows with liquor and cigarette ads, then it was painting the entire building neon-pink to attract attention. When that provided inadequate, the business was burned for the insurance money.

Now this neighborhood which would have been might have been seen as "a little quirky, but safe" for me to move into circa 1996 looks like zombie-land in 2013. I drive in with high-beams on because none of the street lights work. For some reason, there are more people walking in the streets at 4:30 AM than 6 AM (my start time is flexible). Some of the houses have been burned, probably to squeeze out those last few dollars of insurance money. The burned houses become even larger dumping grounds for old tires, (appliances!) furniture, etc.

This could have been stopped cold in 1996 had Detroit leadership had the brains to say "Hey, there's a Chrysler facility with 150 well-paid workers in the area of Van Dyke/Outer Drive; let's tighten up on code enforcement, forfeiture, and police patrols. Let's ticket people who dump couches on their lawns and don't cut the grass. If they don't pay their tax bills, we take the damn house. Let's run police cars up and down Conner Avenue so often nobody would dare dump a stolen car. Make sure the DPW keeps the street lights on, etc. etc." After all, by 1996 older, wider swaths of the city had already fallen into ruin. Most of the area I work in was built in the 50s/early 60s, just like the surrounding and stable suburbs.

Now my facility has the same attractive mid-century-modern (built 1966) facade and trimmed green lawn & trees it did in 1996; but it's surrounded by a 6' wrought iron fence because they were tired of replacing computers from broken office windows and having cars stolen from the lot. How much longer do we put up with this?

Detroit's mayor and council attitude towards their major employers was the same one they gave their middle-class African-American constituents... "Hehe, they'll never leave!" Well I'd say the joke was on them; except the worst political offenders are either dead by now, or in jail.

This is a viewpoint you're not likely to hear in the mainstream media because speaking poorly of Detroit's post-'67 riot politicians is not considered "politically correct". Ironically, it IS politically correct to blame manufacturing; who although they have moved in some cases, the remaining factories are generally islands of cut green lawns and maintenance in a land of jungle-like grasslands and burned structures. Of course, nice buildings aren't as interesting to look at as long-abandoned car factories, so there is a perception that there is "nothing" left in Detroit. The truth is it is very bad, but there are salvageable areas. I'm no fan of our current state government, but with the collapse of the utterly criminal Detroit political structure's power, I am hopeful that some (besides the largest industrial companies) will be willing to again consider investment in Detroit.
 
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By watching and reading all the "Detroit problems" programming and articles recently one huge issue is how the city is laid out. In places like NYC you have areas zoned for manufacturing, residential, commercial, etc.. which makes it easier on so many levels including providing services unique to each community. Detroit expanded and is laid out in such a way to be one hot mess.

Also had no idea the "heyday" of Detroit was rather very short. The place grew up around manufacturing around WWI, increased during and after WWII then began to decline in the 1960's and feel off a cliff by the 1980's or so.

Shocking thing is that just across the water in Canada is a city that went through a bad patch but turned itself around and is very nice for work and living.
 
There was a documentary on PBS not to long ago called "What Happened To Detroit And How It Got That Way". It pretty much parallels what you are saying Carmine. I have to say that since DTW was a hub of ours, I never spent any time at all in Detroit, only in the hotels in Romulus.
 

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